I unfortunately read what they actually did to that poor little boy. Turns my stomach, and truth be told, has stopped me sleeping properly for the last few nights just thinking how sick "they" are. Note the tense. I don't give two ****s what all these do-gooders say, at 10 years old, they knew *exactly* what they were doing and I don't see how 8 poxy years in a holiday camp has changed the way their brains work. I know the media doesn't help their case (nor should it IHMO), but if you've got the stomach, read what the sick f£c£$s actually did. The "tortured and murdered" bit is errrr ever such an understatement. Personally when they *do* (not if) get hunted down and shot, it will be a bit too good for them. A stretch in an adult prison is the least they should be serving now.

Please don't start me on how much tax payers money is being wasted on them. Even worse is the tiny amount in comparison that James' parents received in compensation.

And if you wonder why I feel so strong about it, I've got a son called James, who's nearly 3 years old.

 

Drive

There's lots of sights if you search the name
James Bulger

 

ed the dead (at risk of getting flamed) - couldn't agree with you more. My sentiments exactly.

Kelvin.

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A professionally trained expert,in full knowledge of the facts,has had to make a decision.One which is full of emotion,for us the public,that is.
For him/her its a job,and one they have trained for possibly 10 years.They are the best people to judge imo,they are trained to ignore emotion,we are not.
A respectable society does not hang,kill or flog 18 yr olds,regardless of what they did.
As tax payers we let the right people make these decisions.And so it should be.
The family will never rest,whether these 2 are in or out.It makes no odds,they are in the same category as the Moors Murderers,their lives are over.

Ever see the mother of one of their victims interviewed about once a year? Her daughters body has been found and what they did was as bad as the Bulger case imo,but is that women happy because they are still locked up?

Nope.

 

I can't believe the attitude of most of the posts on this thread

Either you're having some sort of joke, or you really believe what you're writing

I don't know what's worse

 

just read the website chelsea uk suggested.
that was no spur of the moment madness. they knew exactly what they were doing. before reading this website, i was unsure. as someone said here, let he who is without sin etc.
now i feel differently
the REAL question u have to ask yourself, if it were your child, would u be happy for them to be free after 8 years of imprisonment?
have they been punished? i saw a documentary showing the 'prison' they were in. it had better facilities than the comprehensive i went to
keep them jailed.
if they are freed? sorry, WHEN, they are freed, i hope they spend the rest of their lives living in terror of what SOMEONE will do to them, just as that little boy did when they tortured him

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Lots of comments and opinions.

I still can't believe that some people are defending the killers, what they did was and still is and always will be UNFORGIVABLE.

If anyone did anything to my two daughters, like those 2 lads did to James Bulger, I would kill them, plain and simple, I wouldn't care about the consequences!

I hope James's dad finds them.

Put it this way, if I had a son and he did what those 2 lads did, I would want to kill him let alone keep him locked away.

So if you have any young children and what happened to James Bulger happened to your child, how would you feel in 8 years time, if the killer or killers were let back into society? PRECISLY!!!!!!!!!

 

I'm not defending what these two did, but the pathologist and police investigating the murder in the recent documentary stated the the majority of web sites and news paper reports were inacurrate on what the boys did. How do you know what you are reading is anywhere near accurate ?. What they still did is terrible, but so are the two parents that just got TWO years for battering a 4 month old to death. Now where is the justice ?.

Jonathan

 

What the two boys did to Jamie Bulger has never been fully reported. My parents know an officer who was dealing with the case and what they did to Jamie was horrific!
At first the police thought that Jamie had been killed by a paedophile due to the sort of things that had been done to him.

I am a believer of an eye for an eye, but in this case I'm not sure what should have been done.

Robert Thompson and Jon Venables allegedly were not brought up properly by their parents. I have been told that both of them had a mental age of 6 to 7 years old at the time. While this doesn't justify what they did, it does make you understand a little better how they could have possibly done what they did.

I think it is good that they are never to be allowed to see eachother again, but perhaps a bad decision that they will be allowed to visit the Merseyside area.

It's just my personal view, but I think that somebody will either get to them within the next few years, or they will take their own lives.

Andy.

 

I forgot to add, before they took Jamie in the afternoon, earlier that day they had tried, but failed, to take another young child.
This, to me, indicates that they knew exactly what they were doing.

Andy.

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Just a few more points to elaborate on what I said earlier,

First of all, Fast_Blue_Scooby, NOBODY on this thread has come anywhere close to defending what the killers did, and I'm sure that even the people that agree with the decision to release them don't condone in ANY RESPECT what they did.

There are several reasons as to why I personally support the decision to release them, not least of which is the fact that this decision has been taken by a group of *professionals* who have obviously had time to look in detail at the facts present. Nobody on this bbs knows whether or not they have any remorse for what they did, and we'll probably never find out but lets face it, for the rest of their lives they'll never be able to lead normal lives - they are constantly going to be looking over their shoulders, and they'll always live with the knowledge of the horrific act that *they've* committed. They've both lost out on a large part of their childhoods which they'll never be able to re-live, and for the last x amount of years (not sure exactly how many) they've been isolated not only from eachother, but for a large majority of the time, their families.

Now like I said, I don't condone in any way what they did, but they were 10 years old at the time and what good is it going to do to keep them locked up for another x amount of years??? - other than costing the taxpayer ££'s, I cant see any real benefit - they're certainly not going to learn anything that they haven't already. I say let them out, we all do stupid things when we're young - did these two really know the consequences of what they were doing at the time? I honestly don't believe that they did.

Now before I get shot down in flames, this is just my opinion, nothing more, nothing less!

Kelvin

 

Kelvin,
I agree.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by kelvin:
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There are several reasons as to why I personally support the decision to release them, not least of which is the fact that this decision has been taken by a group of *professionals* who have obviously had time to look in detail at the facts present.[/quote]

And of course we know these people never make glaring mistakes.

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Now like I said, I don't condone in any way what they did, but they were 10 years old at the time and what good is it going to do to keep them locked up for another x amount of years??? - other than costing the taxpayer ££'s[/quote]

Because then they won't be murdered by vigilantes.

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I say let them out, we all do stupid things when we're young - did these two really know the consequences of what they were doing at the time? I honestly don't believe that they did.
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Believe me, even when I was six I couldn't imagine thinking of doing anything like this:

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His killers had mercilessly beaten the toddler to death with an iron bar and bricks, then put his tiny body on the tracks in the hope that a train would run over it, hiding evidence of their fatal blows.

The killers stripped Bulger half naked, sexually tortured him and threw paint at him, spattering his face and body. His smashed head was surrounded by a pile of bricks.

(Quoted from Reuters)
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These killers obviously thoroughly enjoyed doing this, otherwise why would they bother going to all this trouble? They certainly had no motive at all for killing him. They just did it for a laugh. People who have the mind to commit such crimes in this way should be kept away from society indefinitely, they're not going to change the way they think no matter how old they were at the time.

 

if most paedophiles were themselves abused as children,who would you have the vigilantes kill,the paedophile or his father?

 

Another thread has appeared questioning whether the killers now felt remorse.

I really cannot see how it is relevant whether they show remorse or not.

Are people suggesting murder is a 25 year stretch but if you are sorry you will be out sooner and all will be OK?

Remorse should not come into it IMHO.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by dba:
<B>if most paedophiles were themselves abused as children,who would you have the vigilantes kill,the paedophile or his father?
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I wouldn't have them kill anyone.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by StevieF:
<B> I wouldn't have them kill anyone.[/quote]


me neither,that as the point I was making.

 

We should leave this topic alone - because it should be dealt with by those who are professional and knowledgeable in the fields that this subject involves. A bunch of punters with quick motors don't really have any say as a peer group. Unless Scoobynet is becoming like the Sun.

Please note: I am not defending anyone.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>coperal punishment would be to good for these pair... although I can see an apeal of stoning them to death!!!!

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So one life lost by stoning to death is not enough, another 2 have to be taken to order some revenge??

How can you say that you see the appeal in stoning someone else to death? sounds like you would get off on it - watch it - you're sounding dangerously like the 2 kids did when they killed bulger..

 

u understand eye for an eye don't you?

These two boys have had it easy in the holiday camp style challey (there words) they deserve some sort of punishment fitting for the crime that they did.

Get off on throwing stones at people? me as bad as them?, mate don't be a total ****! the only thing that id 'get off on' is the feeling that justice had been done which it clearly hasn't. (in my opinion)

Dave.

(edit to add the in my opinion bit )

[This message has been edited by ScoobydoobyDave (edited 25 June 2001).]

 

Some of the attitudes being expressed here I find appalling.

 

If you dont feel like justice was done, why dont you form a vigalantie group that will hunt those kids down and exact some revenge for the poor helpless bulger kid then?

Then why stop there - how about going after all the peadofiles? punish those bas***ds?

I'm not saying that you would do any of the above and I am NOT condoning any of the above actions...

Will that make it all alright? probally not.

Will you feel any better? might, might not.

Will you have escalated these actions so that next time it's gonna be 'OK' to do this sort of stuff?? probally. dont know for sure.

- it's just an example of how it easy to escalate violence. There are few things we have left to us as a society that define us as members of the human race.

I believe one of these is still compassion.

People will do wrong, and they deserved to be punished, but I dont believe that there is hardly ever any justification for killing anyone.

I dont have any kids, and I dont claim to know what it would feel like if that happened to my son. I'm just glad that I dont have to make the sort of decisions that will effect people's entire life. Leave that to those who know better than I.

Like I said, not having a go at anyone. Just dont believe that you will feel better if someone else dies, even if you feel it is justified.

 

The only thing appalling is what those 2 bast**ds did to that little lad!!

At that age, they knew what they were doing. They should have been eliminated from society by lethal injection 8 years ago then we would not have the outrage that is happening today.

Victims of crime get no help these days, yet this country concerns itself with how is the criminal going to feel if we do this or if we do that? Will they be alright?
WHAT A LOAD OF BULL!!!!!!!

If proven beyond doubt then the punishment should fit the crime!!!!!!!

As a father if anyone did that to my kids then yes I would not want the person or people responsible on the face of this earth.

I still can't get over that some people don't mind that these 2 killers should be out.

Those 2 evil lads shouldn't even exist after what they did.

 

Grow up you absolute imbisile !

These little Bas**rds knew exactly what they were doing and they should be hung and pissed on and made to suffer.
Can u imagine the pain, as horrible as it is, that this poor 2 YEAR OLD CHILD went though getting knocked to hell with bricks and a steel bar over and over again and not knowing why. Then they kicked his face repeatedly, put paint in his face, and sexually abused him with fu*king batteries !!! They planned this, which was shown by the fact they tried to abduct another child earlier that day, and is it not bad enough that they bat him, but they seemed to enjoy the suffering of this baby too? They have served 8 PALTRY YEARS for a calculated Murder of a child, and they are now being given handouts to SUPPORT them for the rest of their lives !!!! i for one am disgusted to call myself part of the UK after this announcement, and ANYONE who can sit on their pathetic *** and say they agree with the realease is sad and a fuc*ing waste of space in this country....these little sods need to be hurt and badly. They need to be kept inside and made to suffer over and over until they realise that murder doesnt actually entitle you to a free new cushy bloody life !!!! Grow up and go and defend someone else u moron

 

Have not read the complete thread, so forgive me if I'm going over old ground.

The thing I find interesting is that the parents of the two kids have not spoken at all about this since they have been released. Hardly suprising as would you wish to admit to being a parent of one of the boys? I would not, definite chance of getting attacked or worse.

I cannot in anyway condone what the boys have done, but I do kinda feel sorry for them, simply from the point of view that within a month or so their new identies will be know (via the internet) and no doubt, they will be in an ICU somewhere, in very bad shape.

 

Markus,

you shouldn't feel sorry for them, what ever pain and displeasure they are going to get is nothing compared to what they have done and they more than deserve it.

thinking about what those 2 sick f***s done makes my blood boil.

Cheers
Dave

 

i have to add my tuppence worth,i have children and would hate for anything to happen to them but i dont think you can totally blame the two boys how about their parents?where were they while their sons were out murdering a little child??????and where were the ppl who were with james bulger???
also i beleive at the ages they were things may have got more out of control than they realised ...non of us can say exactly what they were thinking at the time or after for that matter....DONT get me wrong as alot seem to on here recently ..i am NOT i repeat..NOT condoning there actions or the action of the court to let them out of prison...they are not free and will never be totally free until the day they die,now a contoversial thought but maybe james bulger is lucky to not have lived after the fear he must have gone through he would never have recovered...again im NOT saying any of it is right but this is a very sad time we bring our children into...there is no right way to treat offenders like these and no words that can comfort a mother who loses her child in such a way

 

I think they have a right to be set free, they were young and foolish, they have been punished the end. Anyway, don't u feel sorry for those two kids now? getting released, and having to watch their back whereever they go, encase some nutcase try's to kill them.

my opinion anyway.

 

I dont believe that people ever think that murdering someone will lead to a cushy life in prison. Has anyone ever been into prison? I am not condoning anything that those 2 kids did, but society has to live and learn by it's mistakes; those 2 kids are now sentanced to life in the spotlight. I thing that prison would be an easier life to lead that having to fear for your life in the real world, worring about what will happen if someone finds out who you really are. Remember what happened when a national paper release the photo's / names of convicted peadofiles? remember how many people were victomised becasue they looked similar?

Like I said, I dont like what those kids did to bulger. It's not right, and it was probally the product of a sick mind. But think about it..

2 kids ganging up on a helpless person and killing him = bad

groups of vigilanties ganging up on 2 young adults and killing them = good??

 

This is a very emotive subject, but I think the correct decision has been made.

I believe they should have spent more time inside to atone in some way for what they did, even though nothing can pay back the hurt that little boy and his family went through.

The problem as I see it is that they (the two teenagers) would now have to go to an adult prison, where they would be in constant danger of being identified and summary justice dealt out. In addition they would then be living amongst habitual criminals which would do their chances of ever integrating into civilised society no good whatever.

I, and most people on this board are not qualified to say what should be done with these teenagers, qualified people have made the decision, lets hope it is the correct one.