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19 January 2000, 07:47 PM
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As an Sti 2 owner with a (dare I mention it) -PE phase 1 Remap delivering 310 BHP on the last RR Day at P.E.....no problems bye the way, so far....It would be very interesting to compare relative results on another dyno with others standard or otherwise scoobies. Count me in please.!
Anders-Glad to here you car will be sorted soon!
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Anders-Glad to here you car will be sorted soon!
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20 January 2000, 08:29 AM
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Can I come, please please pretty please!?
with that distance to travel, I sense a convoy! fades to dodgy 70's music......
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with that distance to travel, I sense a convoy! fades to dodgy 70's music......
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20 January 2000, 09:42 AM
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Are we settled on this place then?
It seems odd to pay £30 in petrol to save £30 on a rolling road when a this was supposed to be a south east thing. No offence RichiB. I am thinking of the convenience, the early sunday morning, the hang over from sat night etc.
Is there really no other 4x4 rolling road that devote a day to us that might be on this side of the country.
I feel like a real pain now.
Sorry everyone, ignore me if you want.
It seems odd to pay £30 in petrol to save £30 on a rolling road when a this was supposed to be a south east thing. No offence RichiB. I am thinking of the convenience, the early sunday morning, the hang over from sat night etc.
Is there really no other 4x4 rolling road that devote a day to us that might be on this side of the country.
I feel like a real pain now.
Sorry everyone, ignore me if you want.
20 January 2000, 09:59 AM
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The only other 4WD rolling road i know of near London is Auto Technique in Luton, but i havent heard much about them and I am not sure if they do Impreza tuning, so they may not be prepared to do a deal?
20 January 2000, 02:51 PM
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Adam,
How about those people who, for whatever reason, are based west of the M25, we normally have to travel 90/100 miles to RR days at PE, how about trying the trip out of the smoke for a change!
Moray
How about those people who, for whatever reason, are based west of the M25, we normally have to travel 90/100 miles to RR days at PE, how about trying the trip out of the smoke for a change!
Moray
20 January 2000, 06:59 PM
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The expert remains any non mouse.
He is well known to both the Scooby and Cossie fraternity.
He does not want to be dragged into the fray.
He is not Mark Shead my current engine builder.
I was actually thinking about the Cheltenham option.
The last pore engineering dyno threw up remarkable results, a lot of off internet discussion has taken place, as a result of these remarkable results and therefore an independant testing environment was considered the best option.
I like and respect the "boys on the shop floor at Power Engineering", I feel I have fallen foul of the policies of the management!
There is a massive storey due to come out of all this, Power Engineering know I have reserved the rite to sue them and I am organising my case.
He is well known to both the Scooby and Cossie fraternity.
He does not want to be dragged into the fray.
He is not Mark Shead my current engine builder.
I was actually thinking about the Cheltenham option.
The last pore engineering dyno threw up remarkable results, a lot of off internet discussion has taken place, as a result of these remarkable results and therefore an independant testing environment was considered the best option.
I like and respect the "boys on the shop floor at Power Engineering", I feel I have fallen foul of the policies of the management!
There is a massive storey due to come out of all this, Power Engineering know I have reserved the rite to sue them and I am organising my case.
20 January 2000, 07:28 PM
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Stop whinging Adam,
If a guy is offering his services and knows what the hell he is talking about then do it if you want and leave it if you want.
100 miles aint bad....given the time spent in traffic around London, the actual time to travel to them might not be as nad as you think.
I will attend
If a guy is offering his services and knows what the hell he is talking about then do it if you want and leave it if you want.
100 miles aint bad....given the time spent in traffic around London, the actual time to travel to them might not be as nad as you think.
I will attend
20 January 2000, 08:22 PM
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This is just right for me. I travel 120 miles each way to uxbridge when Cheltenham is just up the road. £40 for PE, £80 for Interpro and how much for this one? Don't know if you will want me there as I do have a PE Phase 1. But If you do PLEASE put my name forward.
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20 January 2000, 10:35 PM
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I intend to take the IWOC / SIDC community away from Uxbridge to Cheltenham.
Level playing fields..................................
Customer confidence.
David Poor is aware of the Power of the virtual community, he knows what is coming..........I can't say yet and I am looking forward to it ;-)
Level playing fields..................................
Customer confidence.
David Poor is aware of the Power of the virtual community, he knows what is coming..........I can't say yet and I am looking forward to it ;-)
21 January 2000, 12:07 AM
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Minority of 2. Well said AlexM. Whilst I am sure everyone has the utmost sympathy for Anders, his witch hunt and continued abuse of PE has gone too far. It will be hard to prove the work DP performed on Aders car was "soley responsible" for the damage caused. If anything, DP probably has a stronger case against Anders for slander and loss of earnings damages.
21 January 2000, 12:28 AM
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Minority of three and counting!!
I have read all these post as well, and still plan to go to PE for a phase 1 when I get the time and money.
I am sorry about what happened to Anders but there are too many people with good reports to put me off (to date!).
Gav
I have read all these post as well, and still plan to go to PE for a phase 1 when I get the time and money.
I am sorry about what happened to Anders but there are too many people with good reports to put me off (to date!).
Gav
21 January 2000, 12:30 AM
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The whole point of this site is to voice your opinion and gain the benfit other peoples expeiences.
I dont think you can blame Anders for the what he has been posting, as he feels there is a distinct injustice that is costing him thousands of pounds and loss of use of his car, and we all know how infuriating that is.
I am sure he has every confidence in those people who have diagnosed the cause of his piston problems and as such is perhaps overdoing his warning off of other people from following his fate.
Alex, you make the valid point that we are not sheep, and I second that (perhaps third it), but because of this fact you can choose to ignore anything written here.
I think given the same circumstances I would be more than just a little annoyed and would be doing far more than posting resentful messages on this bbs.
On another issue.
Moray, us guys this side of the M25 also have to travel the a healthy distance to get to power engineering (seeing as it is west london (and I live 20 miles outside east london) so its not as if you are being unfarely treated.
I thought this was supposed to be a south east rolling road. It is always nice to see national events though so I think we should upscale the whole thing, invite everyone from everywhere and head for the midlands, just as a sign of good will.
I dont think you can blame Anders for the what he has been posting, as he feels there is a distinct injustice that is costing him thousands of pounds and loss of use of his car, and we all know how infuriating that is.
I am sure he has every confidence in those people who have diagnosed the cause of his piston problems and as such is perhaps overdoing his warning off of other people from following his fate.
Alex, you make the valid point that we are not sheep, and I second that (perhaps third it), but because of this fact you can choose to ignore anything written here.
I think given the same circumstances I would be more than just a little annoyed and would be doing far more than posting resentful messages on this bbs.
On another issue.
Moray, us guys this side of the M25 also have to travel the a healthy distance to get to power engineering (seeing as it is west london (and I live 20 miles outside east london) so its not as if you are being unfarely treated.
I thought this was supposed to be a south east rolling road. It is always nice to see national events though so I think we should upscale the whole thing, invite everyone from everywhere and head for the midlands, just as a sign of good will.
21 January 2000, 12:57 AM
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As one of the more notoriously moderate voices of the BBS, and as a friend of the good doctor, I feel the urge to interject at this point. On a couple of occasions recently I have mentioned to Anders that I though he was in danger of generating some backlash with the tone of his postings, especially given the “flip-hitting” writing style that he has (“Poor Engineering” etc. etc.) It appears that this has now happened, which to me is just another turn in a long, sad story.
For my part, I am a satisfied customer of PE. As I have stated publicly in the past, their upgrade and servicing have been excellent and I continue to use them for regular routine maintenance (my car is going there for an oil change and some other bits and piece on Tuesday, as a matter of fact). My instinct regarding David is that he is on the straight and level, and at least two other people that I respect very highly hold the same opinion. That is not to say that I haven’t heard some serious allegations regarding both his business practices and his firm’s engineering prowess, but up to now I have absolutely no first hand evidence that anything is amiss.
Now, there are a number of people (including some of the Impreza communities rarely-criticised “golden boys”) who have egged Anders on a fair bit by passing technical judgement on the possible causes of his engine failure. These people remain shadowy figures in this story, while Anders has chosen to stand up in public and proclaim his case in his own inimitable way. Having heard some of the theories that have been passed onto him, I’m not surprised that he has been so vocal in his condemnation of PE, but I find it notable that no-one seems to be willing to stand alongside him and risk their reputations by repeating these claims in public.
I’m not saying I blame them for staying silent, but in many ways I do respect Anders for at least having the ***** to speak up. He’s not a stupid person by any means, and knows full well that some adverse reactions are likely to follow when he makes postings of these kind. His engine failure is a microcosm of all that afflicts those of us who spend money on modifications. Personally, I have had my fill of conflicting advice, name-calling, wasted time, extra expense and failed attempts at resolving problems at the hands of various tuning firms who offer their services to us, and I’m referring here to companies that are generally regarded as being the good ones!
Anyway, to return to the original subject of this thread, to my untrained eye the piston and cylinder head shots seem to confirm at least one of David Power’s original assertions. The “clean” area around the outside edge of #3 piston matches the shape of the lower face of the head, with a clean sharp line at the edge of the affected areas, and it is possible to see the metal grain on both parts. It seems obvious that the piston was hitting the underside of the head, and that this is what removed the carbon deposits from both parts. Now, I’m not qualified to comment on the severity of the scorch marks on #2 piston, as to whether they indicate a level of leanness that could cause pre-detonation problems. Perhaps if some of our bar-room experts would like to give due consideration to this issue and make comment on it, we could actually learn something.
-= mike =-
For my part, I am a satisfied customer of PE. As I have stated publicly in the past, their upgrade and servicing have been excellent and I continue to use them for regular routine maintenance (my car is going there for an oil change and some other bits and piece on Tuesday, as a matter of fact). My instinct regarding David is that he is on the straight and level, and at least two other people that I respect very highly hold the same opinion. That is not to say that I haven’t heard some serious allegations regarding both his business practices and his firm’s engineering prowess, but up to now I have absolutely no first hand evidence that anything is amiss.
Now, there are a number of people (including some of the Impreza communities rarely-criticised “golden boys”) who have egged Anders on a fair bit by passing technical judgement on the possible causes of his engine failure. These people remain shadowy figures in this story, while Anders has chosen to stand up in public and proclaim his case in his own inimitable way. Having heard some of the theories that have been passed onto him, I’m not surprised that he has been so vocal in his condemnation of PE, but I find it notable that no-one seems to be willing to stand alongside him and risk their reputations by repeating these claims in public.
I’m not saying I blame them for staying silent, but in many ways I do respect Anders for at least having the ***** to speak up. He’s not a stupid person by any means, and knows full well that some adverse reactions are likely to follow when he makes postings of these kind. His engine failure is a microcosm of all that afflicts those of us who spend money on modifications. Personally, I have had my fill of conflicting advice, name-calling, wasted time, extra expense and failed attempts at resolving problems at the hands of various tuning firms who offer their services to us, and I’m referring here to companies that are generally regarded as being the good ones!
Anyway, to return to the original subject of this thread, to my untrained eye the piston and cylinder head shots seem to confirm at least one of David Power’s original assertions. The “clean” area around the outside edge of #3 piston matches the shape of the lower face of the head, with a clean sharp line at the edge of the affected areas, and it is possible to see the metal grain on both parts. It seems obvious that the piston was hitting the underside of the head, and that this is what removed the carbon deposits from both parts. Now, I’m not qualified to comment on the severity of the scorch marks on #2 piston, as to whether they indicate a level of leanness that could cause pre-detonation problems. Perhaps if some of our bar-room experts would like to give due consideration to this issue and make comment on it, we could actually learn something.
-= mike =-
21 January 2000, 10:48 AM
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Anders,
I've been biting my lip for some time, but your last post really takes the biscuit.
I don't think anyone in the IWOC/SIDC community is asking to be 'taken' anywhere - we aren't sheep. As fed up with Power Engineering as you are (with justification) this unremitting barage of propaganda is tiresome beyond belief. There are plenty of satisfied PE Phase 1 customers (I'm not a customer) that aren't so vociferous - some are now in the position of asking if they would be welcome at future RR days - what a ridiculous state of affairs!.
'Level playing fields'? Your implication of tampering with results has not been substanciated. If you know otherwise, then put this information in the open.
'David Poor (sic) is well aware of the power of the virtual community'. The only person attempting to wield this power seems to be you. I would like to point out that you don't speak for everyone in the IWOC/SIDC community, and I resent the implication that your views are held by all other members.
I may well be in a minority of one, but I have been increasingly dissatisfied with the way this debate has been handled, and regardless of the rights and wrongs I think that way the BBS has been abused as a medium for your propaganda campaign is divisive, unproductive and desperatly unfair. I don't want to be associated with it in any way.
Regards,
Alex.
P.S. This isn't a discussion about the facts regarding Ander's problems - my comments relate only to what has followed.
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I've been biting my lip for some time, but your last post really takes the biscuit.
I don't think anyone in the IWOC/SIDC community is asking to be 'taken' anywhere - we aren't sheep. As fed up with Power Engineering as you are (with justification) this unremitting barage of propaganda is tiresome beyond belief. There are plenty of satisfied PE Phase 1 customers (I'm not a customer) that aren't so vociferous - some are now in the position of asking if they would be welcome at future RR days - what a ridiculous state of affairs!.
'Level playing fields'? Your implication of tampering with results has not been substanciated. If you know otherwise, then put this information in the open.
'David Poor (sic) is well aware of the power of the virtual community'. The only person attempting to wield this power seems to be you. I would like to point out that you don't speak for everyone in the IWOC/SIDC community, and I resent the implication that your views are held by all other members.
I may well be in a minority of one, but I have been increasingly dissatisfied with the way this debate has been handled, and regardless of the rights and wrongs I think that way the BBS has been abused as a medium for your propaganda campaign is divisive, unproductive and desperatly unfair. I don't want to be associated with it in any way.
Regards,
Alex.
P.S. This isn't a discussion about the facts regarding Ander's problems - my comments relate only to what has followed.
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21 January 2000, 01:27 PM
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Anders
If I were one of your suppliers/service providers, I'd be sh*ting myself every time you drove into my garage. Even though I'd do a first rate job, I'd always wonder that if, by coincidence, your car failed, would you try to pin the blame on me as I was the last person to touch it. And should I be foolish enough to stand my ground, would you spread rumour and gossip in an attempt to ruin my business.
While I'm not actually saying that has definitely happened here, it sure does look like it. Maybe there is more 'meat' to your side of the story than your postings have provided, but until you can produce facts and details rather than opinions dont you think you have overstepped the mark?
I do sympathise with you in some respects, you have been very unfortunate and if it were me, I'd be looking for someone's blood too. But before I would go public, I'd be sure I had the right person.
If I were one of your suppliers/service providers, I'd be sh*ting myself every time you drove into my garage. Even though I'd do a first rate job, I'd always wonder that if, by coincidence, your car failed, would you try to pin the blame on me as I was the last person to touch it. And should I be foolish enough to stand my ground, would you spread rumour and gossip in an attempt to ruin my business.
While I'm not actually saying that has definitely happened here, it sure does look like it. Maybe there is more 'meat' to your side of the story than your postings have provided, but until you can produce facts and details rather than opinions dont you think you have overstepped the mark?
I do sympathise with you in some respects, you have been very unfortunate and if it were me, I'd be looking for someone's blood too. But before I would go public, I'd be sure I had the right person.
21 January 2000, 01:39 PM
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Oi!!!!
Cut it out you Muppets!
I think we've all heard enough of this for one milennium, so can we please change the subject?
I'm all for a day at RichiB's place, simply because it's somewhere different and it's only a flippin' tenner!
Those of you that can't be bothered to make the trip, don't go!
If you want to arrange a south-east day, arrange it!
Whilst there is no evidence to suggest the PE 'doctor' (excuse the pun!) the rr results to suit their products, I can understand some people who seem to run badly there with other products.
I have no personal problems with the PE day, and will continue to go there as well, as long as they bring their price down!! (DP?)
It would just make a change to meet in a different environment, and see how the two set-ups compare.
I believe RichiB does the Unichip conversion, but as there are hardly any Scoobies that have had it done it removes any doubt as far as self-promotion is concerned.
And if Richi is prepared to do the day for £300, I guess any other place could do the same if they wanted to.
So stop all this pants talk, those who want to come to Powerstation come, and those that don't, don't!
I'm going, so let's sort out a date.
Stef.
Cut it out you Muppets!
I think we've all heard enough of this for one milennium, so can we please change the subject?
I'm all for a day at RichiB's place, simply because it's somewhere different and it's only a flippin' tenner!
Those of you that can't be bothered to make the trip, don't go!
If you want to arrange a south-east day, arrange it!
Whilst there is no evidence to suggest the PE 'doctor' (excuse the pun!
) the rr results to suit their products, I can understand some people who seem to run badly there with other products.I have no personal problems with the PE day, and will continue to go there as well, as long as they bring their price down!! (DP?)
It would just make a change to meet in a different environment, and see how the two set-ups compare.
I believe RichiB does the Unichip conversion, but as there are hardly any Scoobies that have had it done it removes any doubt as far as self-promotion is concerned.
And if Richi is prepared to do the day for £300, I guess any other place could do the same if they wanted to.
So stop all this pants talk, those who want to come to Powerstation come, and those that don't, don't!
I'm going, so let's sort out a date.
Stef.
21 January 2000, 02:20 PM
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Adam M,
I wasn't moaning or claiming to be unfairly treated having to go to Uxbridge, a trip I have made a number of times
. I was, however, suggesting that the people who are wingeing about the trip to Cheltenham may do well to consider that myself and several others have traveled far before and not winged about it!
Anders,
Although it may look like I am taking sides by saying the following, I would assure you that I am only giving my opinion with regards to the statements and implications you have made in your very recent postings.
I don't like the "I'm the leader of the pack" attitude voiced in one of your recent postings. I also don't like the way you threaten to use (and, arguably, have used) the incredible power of the virtual community as some kind of weapon for your personal use. I just think this behaviour is unbecoming for such a well respected and liked member of the community, in short, your letting yourself down.
On the other hand, I can say that I have been very impressed by the totally honest and straight forward approach taken by Rich and Dirk at Powerstation, so it would be a very good venue for some future get-togethers.
Moray
(Bah Bah, oh my god, I'm the black sheep! )
I wasn't moaning or claiming to be unfairly treated having to go to Uxbridge, a trip I have made a number of times
. I was, however, suggesting that the people who are wingeing about the trip to Cheltenham may do well to consider that myself and several others have traveled far before and not winged about it! Anders,
Although it may look like I am taking sides by saying the following, I would assure you that I am only giving my opinion with regards to the statements and implications you have made in your very recent postings.
I don't like the "I'm the leader of the pack" attitude voiced in one of your recent postings. I also don't like the way you threaten to use (and, arguably, have used) the incredible power of the virtual community as some kind of weapon for your personal use. I just think this behaviour is unbecoming for such a well respected and liked member of the community, in short, your letting yourself down.
On the other hand, I can say that I have been very impressed by the totally honest and straight forward approach taken by Rich and Dirk at Powerstation, so it would be a very good venue for some future get-togethers.
Moray
(Bah Bah, oh my god, I'm the black sheep!
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21 January 2000, 05:19 PM
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Points all taken and thank you.
Now I am at least counting the days to when my car will be back together.
Maybe then I will feel less aggreived.
Not a sheep in sight, at least on the BBS/IWOC/Chat channel/SIDC.
I will keep quiet now, I am sure many will be relieved!
Now I am at least counting the days to when my car will be back together.
Maybe then I will feel less aggreived.
Not a sheep in sight, at least on the BBS/IWOC/Chat channel/SIDC.
I will keep quiet now, I am sure many will be relieved!