IdonthaveaScooby

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IdonthaveaScooby

5 days and counting for him to beat last years Xmas shutdown !

you WILL be told what to do by bought government

IdonthaveaScooby

Dr Coetzee, " Get the hype out of this ...."


Not a chance here .......vaccines/ passports to be sold



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...running-steam/

IdonthaveaScooby

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531



this guy is producing exactly the opposite....

so likley bought

matt-c

iTrader: (5)

We can all post random links supporting our beliefs, in this case though you are using them to support an incredibly unlikely scenario.

Rather than someone such as yourself sharing beliefs, we require evidence.
As they say extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and a scheme of the magnitude you suspect could never be covered up entirely.

Instead of evidence we have bizarre claims which can affect some peoples decision making and could lead them to make fatal mistakes, this is irresponsible in the extreme so can you please give it a rest now.

IdonthaveaScooby

I think you need to look again at The order of magnitude .

how many people have died from the new variant


or indeed covid as a whole relative to other deaths


Especially in terms of your freedoms being eroded


Seriously

matt-c

iTrader: (5)

Your circumstances may well be different, myself I don't have a great sense of freedom erosion from any of this. I understand lockdowns have impacted others much more, although of course I've been affected aswell.

Order of magnitude argument is not valid in my opinion, generally as civilised society we do what we can to minimise premature death, the steps that have been taken (lockdowns and restricted social interactions) were done in my view grudgingly (due to cost) but correctly intentioned to save lives. If they were successful or right will be studied for decades.

What you seem to be struggling with is that this is truly an unprecedented situation, a pandemic in the modern interconnected world is a potential doomsday scenario, filling up the hospitals, unable to treat people, do you remember Italy in the first wave? Society can start to fall apart surprisingly quickly in chaotic situations. The trajectory and impact of the Covid infection is still being understood now, fortunately it seems to be behaving similarly to other corona viruses and becoming less of a threat, but long Covid is still not understood and mutation with more serious health risks cannot be ruled out yet.

"Relative to other deaths" - "Freedoms being eroded". These phrases are meaningless when it's your father, your mother who died because they inhaled covid, or because they did not take the vaccine.

IdonthaveaScooby

This sort of legislature will commit smaller economies to tow the line with shut downs , killing more innocents , who are more healthy to start with

it’s natural of course but incredibly selfish to look out for your own financial well-being

matt-c

iTrader: (5)

No idea what any of that means to be honest.

BMWhere?

The Covid measures are less about reducing number of deaths and more about ensuring the health service is not overwhelmed! If the hospitals are full, not only will more people die from Covid, they will also die from other illnesses as the NHS is unable to accept any patients, not just Covid patients!

IdonthaveaScooby

oh yes , and whats the solution to this .......


on the basis that stupidly nobody wants to pay more tax

^Qwerty^

I think we pay enough tax as is it thank you.

BMWhere?

Even if money was no question for the NHS, building new hospitals to increase capacity would take years and isn't an option. Besides, in the long term we don't need that much extra capacity. The only solution is temporary capacity which they tried last year, but then there is still a staff shortage and doctors and nurses can't be trained that quickly either!

The only option is to reduce demand on the NHS, and to do that, you need to reduce infections! How do you reduce infections? Social distancing, lockdowns, wearing masks and VACCINATIONS!

The biggest problem is we have a gimp of a prime minister who doesn't abide by his own rules, no longer has the backing of his own party (curse of the Tory backbenchers strikes again!), so there is a mass of mixed messaging which results in the public ignoring government guidance and making the problem worse!

IdonthaveaScooby

Demand is never going to lessen , with or without covid ..!


Omicron may save the situation either way


More vaccines for every new variant - clearly not

Mr Fuji

The number of excess deaths worldwide is broadly in line with the amount or reported covid deaths, so something is killing more people, or is that also part of your conspiracy?

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

It's the nanobots dude! The real conspiracy all along was that they'd managed to infect everybody with them through the food chain and public water-supply BEFORE the pandemic really kicked off. The nanobots-in-vaccines conspiracy was itself a false-flag spread by NSA black OPs, to explain away the fact that the bots would eventually be detected in corpses of victims, once independent tests had been developed to identify them.

I'll go back to the safety of my padded basement now, beep me on my foil hat if you need me!

IdonthaveaScooby

thousands and thousands with new variant , apparently

and 15 in hospital ........

what does that tell you


it peaked all ready in SA

BMWhere?

That hospitalisations lag infections

IdonthaveaScooby

But we are being told hospitals are filling up quickly , with severe cases ?

Mr Fuji

Are we? I haven;'t heard that, they are telling us they expect that to happen due to the massive increases in cases, so even a small percentage will mean large numbers and hence the restrictions, but it may not if Omicron is as mild as some suggest, then we shall see in about 3 weeks.

IdonthaveaScooby

Maybe im getting fatigued with the onslaught of bad tidings

BMWhere?

Think you're forgetting Omicron has only been around for 3 weeks! Its too early to know what the effect will be! The only thing we know is it spreads more quickly than Delta!

Also don't forget that Delta has not just disappeared, the UK has sustained a significant number of Delta cases for several months! The hospitals have not been overwhelmed by Delta, but they are not far off! If Omicron does bring a new wave of hospitalisations, then it could be a disaster for the NHS! The data on Omicron coming from SA has been promising but the demographic there is young and healthier than the UK. Data coming from Scandinavian countries has been more worrying and has a more representative demographic to the UK than SA does!

Nobody is happy to have their Chrismas plans spoiled again! My parents (both very high risk) have been isolated from family for 2 years with 3 kids all living overseas and unable to visit! We had all been hoping to finally all get together again this Christmas particularly as its dad's 80th in January, but had to take the difficult decision (before Omicron) to put off until Spring or Summer next year! Is not a nice decision to make, but we felt it was the right one to protect my parents considering the rising number of cases - UK government advice was not considered, we followed the sensible advice from Germany, Spain and New Zealand rather than the clown running the UK!

ALi-B

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I've been quite a diligent rule follower throughout this pandemic. I called for total lockdowns of incoming international travel (bar repatriation with quarantine) months before any country did anything.

But we can't put this cat back into the bag. We try, but it just keeps clawing its way back out. It was shown from the very start this was going to occur in waves with cases and deaths rising and falling like a sine wave; the peaks may change in harmony with lockdown/countermeasure/vaccines but the frequency will be stubborn as it would require a sustained intensive worldwide lockdown for over a year! That simply was just not going to happen, be it liberal ethics, financial sectors twitching, or non-believers/non-conformists...so any country that opens up again resumes back to the same waves as before.

I understand that your decision is difficult, but personally I would not have cancelled for a third time. Enough is enough. Everybody invited to mine is triple jabbed and generally has limited social interactions in the run up to Christmas. We will all have lateral flow tests. I will run my MVHR on high throughout (akin to windows cracked open). I am not cancelling it. Not this time.

Some people I know may or may not live to see through 2022 anyway (Multiple Myeloma). I'm happy that if they understand the risk, they are more than welcome, as we can't keep our frail loved ones locked up indefinitely.

There are good resources explaining how the virus is spread and how best to mitigate risk. I've always found this has been the best explainer (far better than the British media's attempts):
https://elpais.com/especiales/corona...rough-the-air/

Dude, you need to take this on as the new norm now. Otherwise you'll be cancelling crimbo in 2022, 2023 etc. I've had too many deaths of family and close friends (not covid) to realise how finite life is and how "maybe next year" ends up being too late.

IdonthaveaScooby

Theyre making it up as the go along with the omicron figures

BMWhere?

Pretty much yeah! It's ther three weeks old and they no virtually nothing about it, so they are leaning every day! Not exactly making it up, but the knowledge is improving daily! It will still take another month or two to really know the effects! Not sure why you expect to know everything about it from day 0?

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Its the news making alot up as they go along: Whenever you read/watch a report and they say words like "if", "may", "could", "possibly" etc. IT IS NOT NEWS! Its speculative gossip.

They call in a talking head to quack on for as long as he/she likes but the only people that know about Omicron are the actual virologists directly involved with looking at this specific data of how this variant behaves in lab/controlled conditions and corroborate it with data of how it behaves in the wild and verifying it as well as getting it peer reviewed.

Anybody else who talks about should only quote exactly what they publish. Not elaborate or add their own twist on it using speculation, anecdotal evidence or quoting incomplete or unverified data...which is exactly what the average so-called "health correspondent" does to make them sound like they have all the answers...when they simply don't yet. It seems none of these talking heads wants to admit the simple fact: We don't know yet! So stop pretending that they do.

Worse still they'll interview a random politician that isn't the health secretary and expect them to know. They won't! So then they seem shocked when what they say is wrong/inaccurate: eg Dominic Raab's Omicron bed figures: The deputy PM doesn't need to know exactly how many are in hospital beds (it doesn't really signify anything really at this point given the multitude of variables). All he needs to know is bed/staff capacity enough (no 😏 ) and what to do about it.

andy97

iTrader: (1)

I've stopped wearing masks, just go about my routine. If a shop kicks off, they lose my business, thankfully its only been two out of the dozens Ive been into

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Unless the government mandate proper use of certified masks like EN149 FFP3 rather than this shoddy fabric/cloth nonsense, then there would be genuine credit to mask wearing:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-risk-to-staff

IdonthaveaScooby

You won’t be allowed to protest in public arm in arm soon …

for any reason , never mind covid



but likely accelerated by it

IdonthaveaScooby

How many times does 90k cases go into 68 million


???