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Read my post again. If they backtracked on their words, they're not going to list it as ineffective on their latest information, are they? Links to the previous statement have been removed and no longer working. CDC and WHO have been offering conflicting advice. Prominent scientists have also informed us of what we need to do but they're not being shown in the mainstream media. As I said, do your own research.
Masks reduce the range water droplets propagate from the person wearing the mask. It doesn't stop the droplets just reduces range. The same benefits for the other person is less likely to breath in these droplets
Masks don't help. The CDC confirmed this then backtracked on their words. Do your own research instead of the propaganda you see being spouted by mainstream media.
At the beginning of the pandemic, many organisations such as the CDC and WHO were worried that the supply of face masks for medical staff would be severely disrupted by the public buying all available stock. During the peak months where PPE supply was severely limited, the priority had to be to supply hospitals and not the general public. Therefore the public message was not to use face masks and often claiming they were of little to no use.
Once the initial wave started to ease and PPE supply was sufficient and also in order to ease lockdown restrictions, then the advice changed to recommend the usage of face coverings - because they work! They have only a small risk reduction in preventing a healthy wearer catching Covid-19. They have a larger risk reduction in preventing an infected person spreading the disease. They have a very significant risk reduction if both healthy and infected people are wearing face coverings. They do not provide 100% safety, but enough to make them a very powerful tool in preventing the spread of the disease!
Wearing a mask makes the exhaled air go into the eyes. This generates an impulse to touch the eyes. If your hands are contaminated, you are infecting yourself
Face masks make breathing more difficult. Moreover, a fraction of carbon dioxide previously exhaled is inhaled at each respiratory cycle. Those phenomena increase breathing frequency and deepness, and they may worsen the burden of covid-19 if infected people wearing masks spread more contaminated air. This may also worsen the clinical condition of infected people if the enhanced breathing pushes the viral load down into their lungs
The innate immunity’s efficacy is highly dependent on the viral load. If masks determine a humid habitat where SARS-CoV-2 can remain active because of the water vapour continuously provided by breathing and captured by the mask fabric, they determine an increase in viral load (by re-inhaling exhaled viruses) and therefore they can cause a defeat of the innate immunity and an increase in infections.
Wearing a mask makes the exhaled air go into the eyes. This generates an impulse to touch the eyes. If your hands are contaminated, you are infecting yourself
Face masks make breathing more difficult. Moreover, a fraction of carbon dioxide previously exhaled is inhaled at each respiratory cycle. Those phenomena increase breathing frequency and deepness, and they may worsen the burden of covid-19 if infected people wearing masks spread more contaminated air. This may also worsen the clinical condition of infected people if the enhanced breathing pushes the viral load down into their lungs
The innate immunity’s efficacy is highly dependent on the viral load. If masks determine a humid habitat where SARS-CoV-2 can remain active because of the water vapour continuously provided by breathing and captured by the mask fabric, they determine an increase in viral load (by re-inhaling exhaled viruses) and therefore they can cause a defeat of the innate immunity and an increase in infections.
Really? ****, someone should tell all the doctors and nurses before they all die from wearing PPE!
Actually, there were several demos going on at the same time and organised by different groups. The chain around the lake was a "Peace" demo, while in Constance they had the anti-Corona restrictions demo, then the demo against the anti-Corona restrictions demo and then a demo against the fascists that organised the anti-Corona restrictions demo!
I actually had to break part of the chain on Saturday - I went Scuba diving in the lake and when I came out they had blocked the path with their stupid protest, so had to barge through! Luckily I had my own air supply and face mask If you can see a picture with someone in full Scuba gear, then that was probably me
Why does that not surprise me? Row limits have always existed so whilst I’m bemused that the power of Microsoft still can’t go to infinity with rows and columns, it’s sloppy spreadsheet creation either way; Why are they adding rows all into one sheet when it could be imported as a separate sheet and total values put into the main sheet.
Basic GCSE level spreadsheet training. Can’t for the life of me remember what spreadsheet software I was using at school, but was using Lotus 123 at home; used to make lovely pie charts ...So long as there was no yellow...the yellow ribbon on my colour dot matrix used to get mucky so yellow was more of a baby poo colour 💩.
< grabs coat, runs off and jumps into the Delorean >
Just placing this here to check back and see where the UK is 14days after the bank holiday
Spain; spiked. France; spiking. Italy; possibly on the brink of a spike....
Edited to add: Belgium briefly spiked along with France but quickly dropped back down.
Where we are today: UK as predicted. Italy and Germany need to pull up their socks before the end of the week.
I didn’t put Belgium ‘the home if EU politics’ originally as it was following France, but it shot so high off the chart it messed up the scale! I am pro EU but seriously think all MEPs should go into quarantine! . Funny that MSM seems reluctant to show this:
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We've had our own lockdown currently. My son and his 6 mates all tested positive- thankfully all of them have extremely minor symptoms.
Unfortunately we had to get tested on the back of his results and go into quarantine. We were lucky with all negative results- surprised considering son was home for a week, just before testing positive
We come out of quarantine soon, but have been extremely busy decorating and tidying properties for sale .
We've had our own lockdown currently. My son and his 6 mates all tested positive- thankfully all of them have extremely minor symptoms.
Unfortunately we had to get tested on the back of his results and go into quarantine. We were lucky with all negative results- surprised considering son was home for a week, just before testing positive
We come out of quarantine soon, but have been extremely busy decorating and tidying properties for sale .
A virus droplet can remain suspended in the air for up to 8 minutes.
That actually backs up a earlier research paper/study based on infection in a factory refectory (and restaurant in China), where patient zero was found to to be a considerable distance from others that became infected; Air circulation via a wall mounted recirculating air conditioner unit was blamed for spreading the virus around to those in its air path; The infected people were nowhere near patient zero and they did not pass him going to tables/toilet etc.
Now hear me out:
If masks primarily reduce spread distance (unless it’s a FFP3 respirator without exhale valves), if this is remaining in the air for 8mins and being circulated. I’m sorry ‘social distancing’ with or without a mask is not going work if you are sat in a average sized cafe, restaurant, reception, office, bus, train etc. for any length of time that the ‘spreader’ remains in that same area and air circulation results in its movement far greater than any distancing rules.
I noted on news footage of restaurants ‘evading’ distancing by installing screens between tables....erm...a 4ft high screen between the table next to you is just a píss take; What stops aerosol droplets going up and over? Honestly just don’t eat in places that do this.
Credit due to one restaurant I ate in (Chinese ), they did have this on a few tables...but the screen went from floor to ceiling; common sense. But as now shown still a bit pointless as it had ducted air conditioning...
So really unless we all wear good sealing FFP3 respirators and avoid staying still in any close contained area for prolong periods, all current measure just will not stop spreading.
I think Wale’s latest measures have it right under current constraints (by that I mean insufficient testing)...as crap as it is. Wales does have the most under-resources and easily overstressed health care system.
What we need is mass-scale testing in areas of rising new cases with repeated re-testing based on what spread/exposure risk each person is prone to based on their work/social situation (i.e carers, restaurant workers, hairdressers weekly, fortnightly for less at-risk people, office workers etc).
Good news though; the Flu virus has slowed massively, so much so the rate of mutation for influenza-B has almost stalled. That means vaccines for common strains last longer; If timed right with a global vaccine program we could actually wipe out influenza-B...maybe even influenza-C if we can stop those rednecks sleeping with their pigs Of course, anti-vaxers will ruin any attempt.
Last edited by ALi-B; 19 October 2020 at 10:37 PM.
So, I have a box of KN95 masks for knocking about in low risk areas. as the cost of FFP3 masks have gone up so I’d rather keep them for use in higher risk environments.
Well, what’s the difference between KN95 and FFP2 I hear you ask? (or probably N95; a lot of masks advertised online as N95 are actually KN95).....
Look closely where the batch code is stamped and you’ll find holes on the number six.
Chinese crap strikes again!
Last edited by ALi-B; 21 October 2020 at 05:52 PM.
Well, a lot of Spain is basically under a watered down lockdown.
A Royal decree signed over the weekend enforced a nationwide curfew and gave each region further powers to employ further restrictions (mostly mobility).
As such the Basque regions and Aragón as well as other have enforced travel restrictions within cities and also the boarders of the entire region (bit like Wales).
France boarders however remain open, as EU legislation means different laws have to be amended to restrict movement (So those in Basque can hop over the French border but cant leave the region ).
Guess where I am
Fun times...British news is rubbish on the details. Local news is a bit muddled. Nationwide news totally focused on Madrid (like France circles round Paris etc.). Embassy still publishing out of date info. Tourist board still not updated.
The only way to find info is to dig round municipality’s website all in Spanish course of which Chrome doesn’t always translate ...where you eventually find the actual Royal Decree. Mostly written in in legal language of what is allowable and what isn’t, making it hard to understand what type of movements isn’t allowed; No wonder nobody knows what’s happening!
It has to be done though; Seems too many people have reverted to family day activities and joining up on the weekend and forgetting distancing rules (although pointless in a enclosed space).
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Where we are today: UK as predicted. Italy and Germany need to pull up their socks before the end of the week.
I didn’t put Belgium ‘the home if EU politics’ originally as it was following France, but it shot so high off the chart it messed up the scale! I am pro EU but seriously think all MEPs should go into quarantine! . Funny that MSM seems reluctant to show this:
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Graph update:
Belgium...**** me why isn’t this front page!....
Without the Belgium screwing up the scale, can see Italy and Germany continuing on the same trend....
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Is cases are massive but deaths remain relatively low. When during the previous spike, deaths were spiralling before lockdowns were enforced.
Now early case number count were artificially low due to lack of testing. But given the number of deaths now vs. earlier and given number of positive cases now. Surely that indicates that the actual number of cases at the start of the outbreak were much much higher. I guess probably close to what Belgium is at currently (1100 cases per million per week).
So I reckon UK, Spain, France and Italy’s real case number during April/May was well over 1000 cases per million per week as opposed to the reported 150ish cases per million per week.
Is cases are massive but deaths remain relatively low. When during the previous spike, deaths were spiralling before lockdowns were enforced.
Now early case number count were artificially low due to lack of testing. But given the number of deaths now vs. earlier and given number of positive cases now. Surely that indicates that the actual number of cases at the start of the outbreak were much much higher. I guess probably close to what Belgium is at currently (1100 cases per million per week).
So I reckon UK, Spain, France and Italy’s real case number during April/May was well over 1000 cases per million per week as opposed to the reported 150ish cases per million per week.
I really think the difference in cases vs deaths is just down to testing in the early months. In the early months, the true number of cases was far more than what the testing revealed. People are now being tested even when they are asymptomatic and therefore the number of asymptomatic cases has also risen.
02 October 2020, 02:00 PM
If you can see a picture with someone in full Scuba gear, then that was probably me 
...So long as there was no yellow...the yellow ribbon on my colour dot matrix used to get mucky so yellow was more of a baby poo colour 💩.
. Funny that MSM seems reluctant to show this:
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