What you doing next Friday?
30 January 2020, 08:37 AM
#32
It was the EEC back in the 70s. a perfectly good idea to form a trading block. The EU formed in the 90s taking a trade block into a political and fiscal union in the late 90s. At that point I and many others didn't want the political control. The EU has used the Euro, ECB and ECJ to strangle individual counties to their will. The end target is to have a region become called a country the EU, or Europia.
The share of world trade by the EU has been dwindling for many years and continues to decline. There are far greater opportunities outside the EU.
The EU is a very restrictive trading block, to outside trading nations. Germany is the driving power of the EU for financial gains. The French government want political and financial merger, so it can then realise its dream of a unified EU. The ordinary folk of France dont want that, they are more Eurosceptic than the UK.
Who knows what will happen to the EU or the UK.
The UK now is independent of the EU and will have to forge its own destiny.
Necessity is the mother of all invention
The share of world trade by the EU has been dwindling for many years and continues to decline. There are far greater opportunities outside the EU.
The EU is a very restrictive trading block, to outside trading nations. Germany is the driving power of the EU for financial gains. The French government want political and financial merger, so it can then realise its dream of a unified EU. The ordinary folk of France dont want that, they are more Eurosceptic than the UK.
Who knows what will happen to the EU or the UK.
The UK now is independent of the EU and will have to forge its own destiny.
Necessity is the mother of all invention
Last edited by andy97; 30 January 2020 at 08:40 AM.
30 January 2020, 08:45 AM
#33
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Hang on Andy , youve previously decided we didnt need to belong to a trading block
we certainly cant change the way the institution runs now !
we certainly cant change the way the institution runs now !
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30 January 2020, 08:52 AM
#34
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30 January 2020, 09:31 AM
#35
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And if we did we would be in real trouble. By controlling our own pound we can devalue it and remain competitive in price with other countries. If we lose the pound we will much worse off. That is one thing they did get right in the 70s.
30 January 2020, 09:38 AM
#37
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Last edited by siluro; 30 January 2020 at 09:47 AM.
30 January 2020, 09:49 AM
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30 January 2020, 10:23 AM
#40
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Your one vote would not have made any difference anyway. It will affect all of us and has already. I cannot get a decision made with 3 English people let alone 28 people all with different agenda's how can it ever work. I have been in enough board meetings to realise this. Especially with the state of politics currently.
There are many million more Brits living in non EU countries who were also denied their vote and almost certainly the majority of which would prefer the UK remained in the EU, even if it didn't affect them directly.
Many Brits living in the UK, who have never lived abroad, live in a UK centric bubble and rarely understand the outside view of the UK or project the UK view of other countries as that own countries view of itself. The same is of course true for all countries, but the UK as an island and a very right wing media is particularly subject to this bubble mentality. The rest of the world overwhelmingly sees Brexit as complete madness and an act of self harm.
30 January 2020, 11:17 AM
#41
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You lot are a right load of pessimists. After Friday there's still 11 months of interim where we have to do what the EU says but cannot comment.
Out with miles and mph. In with km and kph
We will have to drive on the right. I tried that recently, it's b***y frightening. No red traffic lights though
Modified cars will have to comply with German TUV rules
And
We will have to use the euro.
On the good side, after then, no EU rules. We can:
Go back to shillings and pence
Dump raw sewage into sea and rivers
Use asbestos again
Work as many hours as we (or emplyers) decide
Resume making cars. We can all have Allegro's, Marina's and MGBs
Reopen our coal mines under state ownership
Buy stuff without CE safety marks
Then dump all those whingeing freeloaders in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, flood the channel tunnel and life will be perfect
Out with miles and mph. In with km and kph
We will have to drive on the right. I tried that recently, it's b***y frightening. No red traffic lights though
Modified cars will have to comply with German TUV rules
And
We will have to use the euro.
On the good side, after then, no EU rules. We can:
Go back to shillings and pence
Dump raw sewage into sea and rivers
Use asbestos again
Work as many hours as we (or emplyers) decide
Resume making cars. We can all have Allegro's, Marina's and MGBs
Reopen our coal mines under state ownership
Buy stuff without CE safety marks
Then dump all those whingeing freeloaders in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, flood the channel tunnel and life will be perfect
Last edited by John 37; 30 January 2020 at 11:18 AM.
30 January 2020, 11:21 AM
#42
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31 January 2020, 08:20 AM
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31 January 2020, 12:25 PM
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31 January 2020, 02:58 PM
#54
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The funny thing is all the dumb f**s celebrating tonight when for the next 11 months we'll be in a worse position than we were in the EU!
As of tomorrow:
- we are still in the customs union
- we still have freedom of movement
- we still have to abide by the EU rules
- we are still answerable to the EU court
- we still have to pay into the EU budget
- we have no additional controls of our laws
- we cannot implement any new trade deals
- we cannot set our own trade tariffs
- we still have to abide by any new EU rules
- we no longer have a say in any new EU rules we become a rule taker not a rule maker
(I highlighted all the things that will change tomorrow!)
So de-facto, any change that happens this year, could have been made without leaving the EU!
As of tomorrow:
- we are still in the customs union
- we still have freedom of movement
- we still have to abide by the EU rules
- we are still answerable to the EU court
- we still have to pay into the EU budget
- we have no additional controls of our laws
- we cannot implement any new trade deals
- we cannot set our own trade tariffs
- we still have to abide by any new EU rules
- we no longer have a say in any new EU rules we become a rule taker not a rule maker
(I highlighted all the things that will change tomorrow!)
So de-facto, any change that happens this year, could have been made without leaving the EU!
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01 February 2020, 08:49 AM
#59
Well this half-way house that we were in was never going to last. Before MATRA and the heightened terror threats, airports were operating a pseudo Schengen procedure from EU countries where you just walked off the plane and straight out the airports without seeing one single official (did it personally on a bi-monthly basis) as well as cherry picking financial rules to suit our financial sector.
Blair/Brown would never adopt the Euro as they knew it was electoral suicide, just like when they didn’t hold a referendum on the treaty for the European constitution. But as soon as the UK economy toileted, the rumour mill was forever predicting that any further drop in the pound would mean adopting the Euro.
Ever since the EU collective have instead been bypassing this need of public ratification by amending existing treaties, make your own opinion on that, but I can dig old news reports where EU officials openly admit they purposely did this to prevent any further rejections like that on the rejected European constitution treaty.
A nice bit of reading from a non UK/EU perspective about how/why the EU has no constitution:
https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?&httpsredir=1&article=1145&context =curej
What happens in the UK from now forth is going be purely down to our economic sectors and its ability to cope on the global market...it was our financial sector that both hoisted us, pillared us and brought us to our knees. It will do so again. And where we end up will be down to that, not by a bunch of marching neo-lefties...the latter have had two elections and a referendum to stop this and failed...
Last edited by ALi-B; 01 February 2020 at 09:24 AM.
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01 February 2020, 08:54 AM
#60
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I predict buyers remorse in a few years time in the outlying areas the union , where good things were being provided by EU ,and people didn’t even realize it , leaving it to the tories to look after them
( what on earth were they thinking )
( what on earth were they thinking )