Cannabis legalisation - yes or no
22 June 2018, 09:56 PM
#31
Its not all good:
If you're not used to it, you may feel faint or sick
It can make you sleepy and lethargic
It can affect your memory
It makes some people feel confused, anxious or paranoid, and some experience panic attacks and hallucinations
It interferes with your ability to drive
If you use cannabis regularly, it can make you demotivated and uninterested in other things going on in your life, such as education or work.
Long-term use can affect your ability to learn and concentrate.
And you can become addicted.
About 10% of regular cannabis users become dependent on it. Your risk of getting addicted is higher if you start using it in your teens or use it every day.
As with other addictive drugs, such as cocaine and heroin, you can develop a tolerance to cannabis. This means you need more to get the same effect.
If you stop using it, you may get withdrawal symptoms, such as cravings, difficulty sleeping, mood swings, irritability and restlessness.
If you smoke cannabis with tobacco, you're likely to get addicted to nicotine and risk getting tobacco-related diseases such as cancer and coronary heart disease.
If you cut down or give up, you will experience withdrawal from nicotine as well as cannabis.
Only 6-7% of the population admit to using cannabis which means the vast majority steer clear of it.
So there is no need to legalise it. The tax benefits are negligible as the cannabis users will not buy from shops, they will continue to buy from their current supplier where they will get it a lot cheaper (and tax free)
If you're not used to it, you may feel faint or sick
It can make you sleepy and lethargic
It can affect your memory
It makes some people feel confused, anxious or paranoid, and some experience panic attacks and hallucinations
It interferes with your ability to drive
If you use cannabis regularly, it can make you demotivated and uninterested in other things going on in your life, such as education or work.
Long-term use can affect your ability to learn and concentrate.
And you can become addicted.
About 10% of regular cannabis users become dependent on it. Your risk of getting addicted is higher if you start using it in your teens or use it every day.
As with other addictive drugs, such as cocaine and heroin, you can develop a tolerance to cannabis. This means you need more to get the same effect.
If you stop using it, you may get withdrawal symptoms, such as cravings, difficulty sleeping, mood swings, irritability and restlessness.
If you smoke cannabis with tobacco, you're likely to get addicted to nicotine and risk getting tobacco-related diseases such as cancer and coronary heart disease.
If you cut down or give up, you will experience withdrawal from nicotine as well as cannabis.
Only 6-7% of the population admit to using cannabis which means the vast majority steer clear of it.
So there is no need to legalise it. The tax benefits are negligible as the cannabis users will not buy from shops, they will continue to buy from their current supplier where they will get it a lot cheaper (and tax free)
22 June 2018, 10:18 PM
#33
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Also back then when I walked in to work of a morning it was a running joke with colleagues and my manager about it must have been a good night etc and laughing about looking a state. Now it would be a sackable offence if you turned up to work like that or it was known you'd been taking any drugs.
Things are far more harsh now if caught out for doing it and so how is that enjoyable knowing you can't drive without the risk of being nicked or getting sacked from work if anyone finds out you do it.
Last edited by An0n0m0us; 22 June 2018 at 10:29 PM.
23 June 2018, 06:29 AM
#35
I have tried it. What ever it is meant to do for you, it didn't work for me. lol
In fact what does it do? Is it meant to be like having a few beers?
lol. I am super ignorant on this subject
In fact what does it do? Is it meant to be like having a few beers?
lol. I am super ignorant on this subject
23 June 2018, 10:23 AM
#38
I’ve always said legalise every drug going.
you try going sugar free for 3 days and see how addicted to it you are. Its in everything and you will feel crap on the come down. (I’ve tried)
If you legalise every single drug you’ll get the ‘cool kids’ not doing it as it’s not illegal or ‘hard to do.
it can be controlled and made cleanly so no more rocks, poison and god knows what mixed in.
the government will get a crazy amount of tax from it. The police wouldn’t need to waste resources catching Smugglers etc and trafficking of kids / sex slaves would probably go down too.
I really don’t think that if you could buy heroine or a block of Charlie in tescos you would go from a non user to full on adict.
you try going sugar free for 3 days and see how addicted to it you are. Its in everything and you will feel crap on the come down. (I’ve tried)
If you legalise every single drug you’ll get the ‘cool kids’ not doing it as it’s not illegal or ‘hard to do.
it can be controlled and made cleanly so no more rocks, poison and god knows what mixed in.
the government will get a crazy amount of tax from it. The police wouldn’t need to waste resources catching Smugglers etc and trafficking of kids / sex slaves would probably go down too.
I really don’t think that if you could buy heroine or a block of Charlie in tescos you would go from a non user to full on adict.
23 June 2018, 10:48 AM
#40
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Totally agree. At least it’s nice to see it’s being discussed more and more. I think legalization is overdue.
The big point for me is, it’s been banned for many decades and that hasn’t worked at all. The policy is a complete failure, the drugs are still everywhere, the drug producing countries get corrupted and the ones making huge profits are the organized crime.
Only when it’s legal can we attempt to regulate it with age restrictions, quality control, harm reduction, education, medical help. All this while taking away the biggest revenue stream from organized crime and making huge amounts of tax money. And we save huge amounts in policing and prison costs.
Time for change.
The big point for me is, it’s been banned for many decades and that hasn’t worked at all. The policy is a complete failure, the drugs are still everywhere, the drug producing countries get corrupted and the ones making huge profits are the organized crime.
Only when it’s legal can we attempt to regulate it with age restrictions, quality control, harm reduction, education, medical help. All this while taking away the biggest revenue stream from organized crime and making huge amounts of tax money. And we save huge amounts in policing and prison costs.
Time for change.
23 June 2018, 11:43 AM
#42
If you legalise every single drug you’ll get the ‘cool kids’ not doing it as it’s not illegal or ‘hard to do.
it can be controlled and made cleanly so no more rocks, poison and god knows what mixed in.
the government will get a crazy amount of tax from it. The police wouldn’t need to waste resources catching Smugglers etc and trafficking of kids / sex slaves would probably go down too.
I really don’t think that if you could buy heroine or a block of Charlie in tescos you would go from a non user to full on addict.
Its a bit like smoking. All legal to buy in shops from a certain age. Once that person his hooked, they will want to reduce the amount they spend, so will look for a local *** house to buy from - where they get the same amount for half price. Hence with drugs, the local drug dealers will not want to go out of business if its legalised so will look to sell bigger amounts at a lower price.
Most of the 'cool kids' still smoke from an early age as its freely available for them (always cigarettes lying around the house from parents etc) so just because its legal, it will not stop them.
Soon, you will have loads of 'drug houses' selling un-taxed drugs to the masses leading to loads of people being constantly under the influence of drugs. And drug addiction will go through the roof with all the problems it creates.
At present, only about 6-7% of people use drugs. Compare that to the 20% who smoke cigarettes and that's where the percentage level of drug users will head towards.
That will put a huge burden on the NHS etc and the rest of the tax paying public.
23 June 2018, 12:02 PM
#43
I think you would.
Its a bit like smoking. All legal to buy in shops from a certain age. Once that person his hooked, they will want to reduce the amount they spend, so will look for a local *** house to buy from - where they get the same amount for half price. Hence with drugs, the local drug dealers will not want to go out of business if its legalised so will look to sell bigger amounts at a lower price.
Most of the 'cool kids' still smoke from an early age as its freely available for them (always cigarettes lying around the house from parents etc) so just because its legal, it will not stop them.
Soon, you will have loads of 'drug houses' selling un-taxed drugs to the masses leading to loads of people being constantly under the influence of drugs. And drug addiction will go through the roof with all the problems it creates.
At present, only about 6-7% of people use drugs. Compare that to the 20% who smoke cigarettes and that's where the percentage level of drug users will head towards.
That will put a huge burden on the NHS etc and the rest of the tax paying public.
Its a bit like smoking. All legal to buy in shops from a certain age. Once that person his hooked, they will want to reduce the amount they spend, so will look for a local *** house to buy from - where they get the same amount for half price. Hence with drugs, the local drug dealers will not want to go out of business if its legalised so will look to sell bigger amounts at a lower price.
Most of the 'cool kids' still smoke from an early age as its freely available for them (always cigarettes lying around the house from parents etc) so just because its legal, it will not stop them.
Soon, you will have loads of 'drug houses' selling un-taxed drugs to the masses leading to loads of people being constantly under the influence of drugs. And drug addiction will go through the roof with all the problems it creates.
At present, only about 6-7% of people use drugs. Compare that to the 20% who smoke cigarettes and that's where the percentage level of drug users will head towards.
That will put a huge burden on the NHS etc and the rest of the tax paying public.
23 June 2018, 07:37 PM
#48
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Related; the mother in law has MS and I've offered to get her some to try, but she refuses out blank because it's illegal. I think that's a shame. Me and the Mrs have considered getting some anyway and slipping it in something but we are not sure if you have to smoke it to get the benefits.
23 June 2018, 08:01 PM
#49
23 June 2018, 09:22 PM
#50
It is the Daily Fail but the content is not. It does seem to reflect the cannabis users I have met.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nal-study.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nal-study.html
23 June 2018, 10:02 PM
#51
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However giving it to someone against their wishes is obviously more the issue even if it is for medical reasons.
23 June 2018, 10:05 PM
#52
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It is the Daily Fail but the content is not. It does seem to reflect the cannabis users I have met.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nal-study.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nal-study.html
i know plenty of losers who have never touched drugs
Perhaps if drug were legal there would be less limbs being blown off over in Afghan too but then where would all the cannon fodder go ?
war on drugs failing just like war on terror.
Any drain on nhs would be paid back tenfold by cannabis users
in the same wae tobacco and alchohol users pay their way and subsidise the rest of society.
23 June 2018, 10:09 PM
#53
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It is the Daily Fail but the content is not. It does seem to reflect the cannabis users I have met.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nal-study.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nal-study.html
Users are from all walks of life so I think it's completely unrepresentative overall. However with how it's no longer tolerated by employers I think habitual users face a much tougher time now trying to hold down a decent job and keeping it quiet from their employer. If you get caught you get sacked.
Last edited by An0n0m0us; 23 June 2018 at 10:14 PM.
24 June 2018, 07:34 AM
#54
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just got back from Lanzarote where I found myself a nice coffee shop and sat down and had a smoke without any problems ,, no signs of anyone selling it anywhere else apart from there and no smell you normally get when on the beach on holiday so looks to me like its keeping it where it should be over there and everyone seems happy with it so to me there set up is working fine ,,, I know it made my holiday more relaxing and its on the places to return lol,, Amsterdam was too bloody cold lol
24 June 2018, 08:42 AM
#55
just got back from Lanzarote where I found myself a nice coffee shop and sat down and had a smoke without any problems ,, no signs of anyone selling it anywhere else apart from there and no smell you normally get when on the beach on holiday so looks to me like its keeping it where it should be over there and everyone seems happy with it so to me there set up is working fine ,,, I know it made my holiday more relaxing and its on the places to return lol,, Amsterdam was too bloody cold lol
24 June 2018, 09:23 AM
#56
i know plenty of losers who have never touched drugs
Perhaps if drug were legal there would be less limbs being blown off over in Afghan too but then where would all the cannon fodder go ?
war on drugs failing just like war on terror.
Any drain on nhs would be paid back tenfold by cannabis users
in the same wae tobacco and alchohol users pay their way and subsidise the rest of society.
Perhaps if drug were legal there would be less limbs being blown off over in Afghan too but then where would all the cannon fodder go ?
war on drugs failing just like war on terror.
Any drain on nhs would be paid back tenfold by cannabis users
in the same wae tobacco and alchohol users pay their way and subsidise the rest of society.
Tax revenue per year from smoking is about 12.3 billion
Costs to society per year from smoking (incl NHS) is about 14 billion
You could project that cannabis would yield about the same figures - so it wouldn't be a 'tenfold' payback
You could argue that the problems in the middle east would be worse, as everyone would be paranoid with each other leading to more violence.
War on drugs failing? - is it when 93-94% of the population don't touch the stuff.
You still have people drink driving, so has the war on that failed and should that be legalised?
24 June 2018, 11:25 AM
#57
I live in Holland (Amsterdam) where cannabis is legal. Only 6% of the population have tried cannabis so arguments legalizing it will cause more people to use it are not supported by facts. There are no downsides to legalizing it.
24 June 2018, 01:41 PM
#58
i know plenty of losers who have never touched drugs
Perhaps if drug were legal there would be less limbs being blown off over in Afghan too but then where would all the cannon fodder go ?
war on drugs failing just like war on terror.
Any drain on nhs would be paid back tenfold by cannabis users
in the same wae tobacco and alchohol users pay their way and subsidise the rest of society.
Perhaps if drug were legal there would be less limbs being blown off over in Afghan too but then where would all the cannon fodder go ?
war on drugs failing just like war on terror.
Any drain on nhs would be paid back tenfold by cannabis users
in the same wae tobacco and alchohol users pay their way and subsidise the rest of society.
Your statement is just detracting from fact. A moot point therefore.
24 June 2018, 05:11 PM
#59
I think you would.
Its a bit like smoking. All legal to buy in shops from a certain age. Once that person his hooked, they will want to reduce the amount they spend, so will look for a local *** house to buy from - where they get the same amount for half price. Hence with drugs, the local drug dealers will not want to go out of business if its legalised so will look to sell bigger amounts at a lower price.
Its a bit like smoking. All legal to buy in shops from a certain age. Once that person his hooked, they will want to reduce the amount they spend, so will look for a local *** house to buy from - where they get the same amount for half price. Hence with drugs, the local drug dealers will not want to go out of business if its legalised so will look to sell bigger amounts at a lower price.
Most of the 'cool kids' still smoke from an early age as its freely available for them (always cigarettes lying around the house from parents etc) so just because its legal, it will not stop them.
Soon, you will have loads of 'drug houses' selling un-taxed drugs to the masses leading to loads of people being constantly under the influence of drugs. And drug addiction will go through the roof with all the problems it creates.
Soon, you will have loads of 'drug houses' selling un-taxed drugs to the masses leading to loads of people being constantly under the influence of drugs. And drug addiction will go through the roof with all the problems it creates.
As with much of the rest of your post, this assumes there will be a sudden surge in the numbers of people who will not only try cannabis for the first time, after legalization, but begin consuming it in large enough quantities and/or frequently enough to have a significant impact on their health. Has this happened in Colorado or anywhere else where legalisation is now a fact? Do hypothetical/predictive analysises support that such a trend would occur? Have you even bothered to look for research into either of these things, to see what it actually says? Nothing you've said so far suggests that you have.
24 June 2018, 06:05 PM
#60
i cant honestly understand why you would want to take drugs.
is your life that bad that you need to be out of your face to cope?
i cant imagine that many of you weed users would be happy if a person under the influence of it mowed down a loved one yet you call for it to be legal.........idiots.
drugs (illegal or not) bring problems,housing estates would become full of people walking around like zombies because they could smoke it like its going out of fashion.would you really want your kids growing up around that?
i worked on the doors for many years and ive seen 1st hand the shocking behaviour people get up to when they are on any sort of drugs. paranoia,violence,theft,hallucinations,anxiety etc etc. alcohol is a massive issue too and i believe the uk has very relaxed laws regarding drinking.
why the hell would you want to make it easier for people to get there hands on drugs? makes no sense to me at all, drugs should stay illegal-end of and anybody that needs them to get through life (apart from a medicinal purpose) do us a favor and end your ****ing misery.
plus weed stinks,i mean it really ****ing stinks-why for the love of god would you wanna walk around smelling like that..............
is your life that bad that you need to be out of your face to cope?
i cant imagine that many of you weed users would be happy if a person under the influence of it mowed down a loved one yet you call for it to be legal.........idiots.
drugs (illegal or not) bring problems,housing estates would become full of people walking around like zombies because they could smoke it like its going out of fashion.would you really want your kids growing up around that?
i worked on the doors for many years and ive seen 1st hand the shocking behaviour people get up to when they are on any sort of drugs. paranoia,violence,theft,hallucinations,anxiety etc etc. alcohol is a massive issue too and i believe the uk has very relaxed laws regarding drinking.
why the hell would you want to make it easier for people to get there hands on drugs? makes no sense to me at all, drugs should stay illegal-end of and anybody that needs them to get through life (apart from a medicinal purpose) do us a favor and end your ****ing misery.
plus weed stinks,i mean it really ****ing stinks-why for the love of god would you wanna walk around smelling like that..............