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18 April 2018, 01:28 PM
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It's just more propaganda - you're being played
It's almost comical how you attack the BBC as 'state funded', which it obviously isn't, then use a completely bollox, made up, hoax story from RT (which IS state funded) as some kind of evidence of how we're all gullible.
Quite funny really
It's almost comical how you attack the BBC as 'state funded', which it obviously isn't, then use a completely bollox, made up, hoax story from RT (which IS state funded) as some kind of evidence of how we're all gullible.
Quite funny really
18 April 2018, 01:33 PM
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OK yes, hoax was the wrong word, however...
The premise is clearly flawed. The basic conspiracy goes that May bombed Syria to boost the share value for her husband. Therefore the gas attack must of been staged (by May) to justify the attack... and if we're capable of doing that, then we must be capable of poisoning a former Russian agent in Salisbury.
Can you see how bonkers this all becomes?
18 April 2018, 01:52 PM
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OK yes, hoax was the wrong word, however...
The premise is clearly flawed. The basic conspiracy goes that May bombed Syria to boost the share value for her husband. Therefore the gas attack must of been staged (by May) to justify the attack... and if we're capable of doing that, then we must be capable of poisoning a former Russian agent in Salisbury.
Can you see how bonkers this all becomes?
The premise is clearly flawed. The basic conspiracy goes that May bombed Syria to boost the share value for her husband. Therefore the gas attack must of been staged (by May) to justify the attack... and if we're capable of doing that, then we must be capable of poisoning a former Russian agent in Salisbury.
Can you see how bonkers this all becomes?
The point i was making was that the folk who make the decisions also profit from them,
No doubt Putin & co. work exactly the same,
The real question should be who actually benefits ?
Certainly not the soldier with no legs or his family who's tax goes towards these disasters instead of real issues affecting the people who live here,
All we have done is kill some folk in Syria who's relatives will now be far easier to turn against us, who will then no doubt come here and blow up a concert full of kids in revenge.
18 April 2018, 01:54 PM
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You see to assume that it is as simple as that would just be foolish,
The point i was making was that the folk who make the decisions also profit from them,
No doubt Putin & co. work exactly the same,
The real question should be who actually benefits ?
Certainly not the soldier with no legs or his family who's tax goes towards these disasters instead of real issues affecting the people who live here,
All we have done is kill some folk in Syria who's relatives will now be far easier to turn against us, who will then no doubt come here and blow up a concert full of kids in revenge.
The point i was making was that the folk who make the decisions also profit from them,
No doubt Putin & co. work exactly the same,
The real question should be who actually benefits ?
Certainly not the soldier with no legs or his family who's tax goes towards these disasters instead of real issues affecting the people who live here,
All we have done is kill some folk in Syria who's relatives will now be far easier to turn against us, who will then no doubt come here and blow up a concert full of kids in revenge.
We didn't kill anyone
18 April 2018, 01:59 PM
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, Do you mean "we" as in the Scoobynet community ?
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/424471-olig...russian-money/
Follow the money,
18 April 2018, 02:01 PM
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Or how about this one,
As with most arguments you find both sides bend the facts to suit their story
Both usually full of it.
Somewhere in the middle is the truth
Not like our government hasn't lied before,
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/424298-fals...-syria-attack/
As with most arguments you find both sides bend the facts to suit their story
Both usually full of it.
Somewhere in the middle is the truth
Not like our government hasn't lied before,
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/424298-fals...-syria-attack/
18 April 2018, 02:04 PM
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, Do you mean "we" as in the Scoobynet community ?
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/424471-olig...russian-money/
Follow the money,
So Syria, Russia, UK, US and France all agree there were no casualties from the strike, but you know better....how?
Ah yes 'follow the money', otherwise known as 'I don't really know what I'm talking about, so I say follow the money because it sounds clever'.
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18 April 2018, 02:07 PM
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18 April 2018, 02:09 PM
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18 April 2018, 02:13 PM
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18 April 2018, 02:17 PM
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What you seriously believe we would care if it wasn't happening in a country which can single handedly affect the price of oil ?
Look at Africa, (Which UK,France,Belgium among others has raped for centuries)
Plenty of messed up dictators killing their own, but why do we not care so much ?
Look at Africa, (Which UK,France,Belgium among others has raped for centuries)
Plenty of messed up dictators killing their own, but why do we not care so much ?
18 April 2018, 02:19 PM
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18 April 2018, 02:34 PM
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What you seriously believe we would care if it wasn't happening in a country which can single handedly affect the price of oil ?
Look at Africa, (Which UK,France,Belgium among others has raped for centuries)
Plenty of messed up dictators killing their own, but why do we not care so much ?
Look at Africa, (Which UK,France,Belgium among others has raped for centuries)
Plenty of messed up dictators killing their own, but why do we not care so much ?
I agree with you about Africa, there are many instances in the past where we should of intervened. That said we haven't intervened in Nigeria, a country with many times the oil Syria has.
Just watch what happens to the oil price when Israel and Iran start shooting at each other in Syria (it's actually already started).
It's been pretty clear that the West want no part of Syria, and failed to stop genocide, failed to support the rebels when it could of been effective, and are now basically helpless bystanders.
18 April 2018, 02:40 PM
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I agree with you about Africa, there are many instances in the past where we should of intervened. That said we haven't intervened in Nigeria, a country with many times the oil Syria has.
Just watch what happens to the oil price when Israel and Iran start shooting at each other in Syria (it's actually already started).
It's been pretty clear that the West want no part of Syria, and failed to stop genocide, failed to support the rebels when it could of been effective, and are now basically helpless bystanders.
Just watch what happens to the oil price when Israel and Iran start shooting at each other in Syria (it's actually already started).
It's been pretty clear that the West want no part of Syria, and failed to stop genocide, failed to support the rebels when it could of been effective, and are now basically helpless bystanders.
Alot of offshore stuff too so they don't care how chaotic it gets on land as long as they toe the line,
There are clips going back ten years of Americas plans for the middle east,
But i guess that's another conspiracy theory
18 April 2018, 02:51 PM
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Shell & co. runs Nigeria
Alot of offshore stuff too so they don't care how chaotic it gets on land as long as they toe the line,
There are clips going back ten years of Americas plans for the middle east,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
But i guess that's another conspiracy theory
Alot of offshore stuff too so they don't care how chaotic it gets on land as long as they toe the line,
There are clips going back ten years of Americas plans for the middle east,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
But i guess that's another conspiracy theory
It's completely uncorroborated though isn't it - always beware of the man on a 'book tour'
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18 April 2018, 03:14 PM
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https://www.rt.com/op-ed/424407-fisk...ia-strike-war/
Can't deny that they have some interesting stories
Why not wait for the CW investigators ?
Can't deny that they have some interesting stories
Why not wait for the CW investigators ?
It's not 'their story' though is it, it was the Independents.
Why only bomb 3 CW sites?
18 April 2018, 09:55 PM
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I'd just like to pick up on this point, and I'll use a thought experiment to show how it is absurd (in the sense that it's illogical).
For example:
Claim: The earth is more or less round
Counter claim: The earth is flat.
The actual truth here is, of course, that the earth is more or less round (except some stretching due to centripetal effects and tides etc). Even every single person alive now and before claiming that the earth is flat will not change the fact that it is in fact not flat at all.
I.e. if something is actually "True", then someone else saying "no it isn't", doesn't change the fact that some things are just "True".
With regards to propaganda, I think the propaganda bit is hidden in the articles/reports (sometimes hidden less well than in other instances). The way it is hidden, in effect in plain sight, is by telling stories that has a bunch of facts that can be fact checked as True. However, they then sprinkle in some absurdities (the propaganda), and people believe those absurdities as well, because "hey, those other things he/she said were true". It's very insidious, and as you get fed more and more of this kind of stuff, the more and more "authoritative" the propaganda elements become as well (because again, all that other stuff was true, right?).
For example:
Claim: The earth is more or less round
Counter claim: The earth is flat.
The actual truth here is, of course, that the earth is more or less round (except some stretching due to centripetal effects and tides etc). Even every single person alive now and before claiming that the earth is flat will not change the fact that it is in fact not flat at all.
I.e. if something is actually "True", then someone else saying "no it isn't", doesn't change the fact that some things are just "True".
With regards to propaganda, I think the propaganda bit is hidden in the articles/reports (sometimes hidden less well than in other instances). The way it is hidden, in effect in plain sight, is by telling stories that has a bunch of facts that can be fact checked as True. However, they then sprinkle in some absurdities (the propaganda), and people believe those absurdities as well, because "hey, those other things he/she said were true". It's very insidious, and as you get fed more and more of this kind of stuff, the more and more "authoritative" the propaganda elements become as well (because again, all that other stuff was true, right?).
18 April 2018, 10:20 PM
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I'd just like to pick up on this point, and I'll use a thought experiment to show how it is absurd (in the sense that it's illogical).
For example:
Claim: The earth is more or less round
Counter claim: The earth is flat.
The actual truth here is, of course, that the earth is more or less round (except some stretching due to centripetal effects and tides etc). Even every single person alive now and before claiming that the earth is flat will not change the fact that it is in fact not flat at all.
I.e. if something is actually "True", then someone else saying "no it isn't", doesn't change the fact that some things are just "True".
With regards to propaganda, I think the propaganda bit is hidden in the articles/reports (sometimes hidden less well than in other instances). The way it is hidden, in effect in plain sight, is by telling stories that has a bunch of facts that can be fact checked as True. However, they then sprinkle in some absurdities (the propaganda), and people believe those absurdities as well, because "hey, those other things he/she said were true". It's very insidious, and as you get fed more and more of this kind of stuff, the more and more "authoritative" the propaganda elements become as well (because again, all that other stuff was true, right?).
For example:
Claim: The earth is more or less round
Counter claim: The earth is flat.
The actual truth here is, of course, that the earth is more or less round (except some stretching due to centripetal effects and tides etc). Even every single person alive now and before claiming that the earth is flat will not change the fact that it is in fact not flat at all.
I.e. if something is actually "True", then someone else saying "no it isn't", doesn't change the fact that some things are just "True".
With regards to propaganda, I think the propaganda bit is hidden in the articles/reports (sometimes hidden less well than in other instances). The way it is hidden, in effect in plain sight, is by telling stories that has a bunch of facts that can be fact checked as True. However, they then sprinkle in some absurdities (the propaganda), and people believe those absurdities as well, because "hey, those other things he/she said were true". It's very insidious, and as you get fed more and more of this kind of stuff, the more and more "authoritative" the propaganda elements become as well (because again, all that other stuff was true, right?).
18 April 2018, 10:33 PM
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Watch that Lavrov interview and tell me how much of the **** that comes out of his mouth is actually true. It's not sprinkled with propaganda it's just utter bullsh!t in it's entirety.
Russia doesn't deal in facts it deals in hiding the truth and spouting utter lies to try to deflect away from reality.
Russia doesn't deal in facts it deals in hiding the truth and spouting utter lies to try to deflect away from reality.
18 April 2018, 10:37 PM
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18 April 2018, 10:37 PM
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Also alot of it is aimed at those less fortunate and unable to differentiate fact from fiction.
But then that would be the same as assuming all Germans between in early 40s were dumb too
Not so hard today with the internet to create absolute mince claims but appear true.
There is a good video on Dinosaurs didnt exist.
Id say that tops em all.
Big Paleo hahaha.
But then that would be the same as assuming all Germans between in early 40s were dumb too
Not so hard today with the internet to create absolute mince claims but appear true.
There is a good video on Dinosaurs didnt exist.
Id say that tops em all.
Big Paleo hahaha.