Selfish t@ssers everywhere.

I wouldn't be seen dead in petrol station shopping aisle. Much cheaper places to buy essentials.

 

Many companies have done driverless testing on public roads, but with trained test drivers who are employees of the manufacturer doing their job.
Tesla are doing the same testing with "selected" customers who know nothing about the systems they are testing and in many cases aren't even aware that they are testing it!

 

You're having a laugh, Uber were using dregs of the earth test drivers off the dole queue. The last driver involved was playing with their phone when it collided with a pedestrian crossing on a dark road...

I bet Tesla has been a little more thorough- but not so much.

 

If I am driving down the road and some Tesla clown crashes into me causing me injury because they are testing the a beta version and it is deemed the beta version was not as good as it should be, then are Tesla liable?

 

Yes!

 

Tesla’s multi-million dollar lawyers: No

 

Uber, like Tesla, have no historic experience in vehicle manufacture and the standards required for software development and validation. I wouldn't get in a self driving Uber either!

The established vehicle manufacturers who have knowledge of the standards and also knowledge of class action lawsuits when things go wrong, are not developing self driving tech in the same way as Tesla (and Uber). That is not to say they are lagging in their tech development, but they will not build it into customer cars until the feature is ready and safe for the mass market.

 

This is a fast development industry now. Legacy manufacturers will be left behind if they dont change the way they develop

 

snooze you lose in the auto industry now

 

That's kind of my point! Where safety is concerned, fast development, or at least fast release to the public, is not an option! The sooner a proper certification authority is brought in to replace self regulation, the better!

Other manufacturers are using fast development methods (Agile), but they are not palming their testing off to the customers. Many legacy manufacturers are way ahead of Tesla in their self driving tech, but its just not ready for public use.

Tesla may well be "first to market" with their tech, but the traditional manufacturers are not overly worried about that because they understand the consequences of getting it wrong! Tesla will learn those consequences at some point too, the question is only how resilient they are when things go wrong. Tesla are already seriously in debt but investors like Elon Musk and the potential for the business, but a major class action claim against them could seriously scare the market and investors will pull the plug (pardon the pun!).

Tesla are playing a very dangerous game!

 

Mercedes has openly admitted they cannot compete, with competition for developing autonomous systems for vehicles. Its cancelled a joint venture with BMW who quickly mutually agreed to the termination, indicating BMW has thrown in the towel too.

In a few years they can hopefully license the technology from those who pressed on with development.

Edit Daimler owner of Mercedes are reported to be in liaison with Waymo (Google) to build in their tech into their latest long haul semi trucks.

 

The USA is predicting that by 2025, 52000 EV semi trucks will be on the roads delivering. Many of the large companies are ordering from Tesla, with the notable exception Amazon, who is ordering from Rivian. They invested 700 million dollars recently in Rivian.

Payback of these EV trucks is expected to be 2 years with savings in fuel costs alone running into the hundreds of thousands dollars over 2 years.

Tesla and others developing autonomous 'platooning' convoys with lead truck controlling at microsecond control of the following trucks, this will save hugely of energy demand by drafting on long roads hauls. Scania too are developing similar ideas.

Tesla has already conducted national 'platooning' in the USA so are confident of its capabilities. .

 

Tesla had a another good year selling nearly 50% more than their next nearest competition.

Numbers are picking up nicely

 

Thank God for the info Andy. Really not sure I would have gotten through the day without it.

 

Glad I could help, but if you're not interested then I suggest the Brexit thread is full of useless information

 

I’d wager Robsy STILL hasn’t bought a Tesla !

 

He has missed out on saving a chunk of money and reducing his pollution footprint

 

Maybe if he's owner of a field full solar panels

doesnt sound like it

 

I'm still waiting tbh. I don't want a car where the battery has to be replaced every 4yrs. Last taxi driver i spoke to about a year ago had to replace his prius ones. Would have cost something like £10k to replace them but had a friend crash his prius so they swapped batteries.

Might hold out for hydrogen

 

shell have offset my carbon usage somehow. Had it on an email that all the V power I use they plant trees or something

In theory I'm carbon neutral.

 

It costs nothing like the price you believe

Batteries last a lot longer, plus most manufacturers offer 8 year limited mileage warranty 100,000 to 150,000 miles
Just checked Tesla, Nissan, Hyundai,Kia,VW, Renault,Fiat all offer 8 years, I expect virtually all do.

You will be waiting a long time for hydrogen


No they haven't, its marketing bull so you buy their fossil fuel

 

Were't you arguing that you had 100% renewable electricity supply the other week?

 

I've just come up the M6 through Birmingham and was delayed for awhile because of a vehicle fire, must have been stationary in the queue for 30-45 mins. When traffic started moving Tesla in lane 3 was stationary with the driver in a flap.
Maybe he had flattened the batteries and run out of range playing with the onboard tech !

Good reason to carry a generator in the boot

 

Missed an opportunitythere, to really make the story sound real. The vehicle fire could have been am EV, two other electric cars could have stopped due to the heat from the fire

 

Whatever ! all I know is the Tesla wasn't moving and the driver was waving his arms about

 

He could of well run flat, but there are so many warnings before an EV runs flat you can get another 20-30 miles. If he did, then he is a donkey for pushing the limit. There are so many places now to pick up a charge whether paid or free with parking.

My wife was waiting for our daughter, the parking had free 7kW, so for 30 mins plugged in 15 miles of free electric

 

Driverless trials begin in Oxford by a company called Oxbotica.

 

£500 for less than two hour job to repair 9 year old Nissan EV battery pack

 

Can only be a good thing; There far too many incompetents in that neck of the woods...every time I reach J8 on the M40 I can guarantee a bunch of c**ts will join the motorway and go straight from the slip road to lane 3 without looking in the mirrors and then persist to stay in lane 3 regardless of what’s in lane 1 and 2. They also don’t slow down in torrential rain and shat themselves when they aquaplane and if following heavy traffic keep stabbing on the brakes for no reason because they are following cars too close and not reading the road ahead.

 

Vehicle Autonomy is big business in the UK. A significant improvement in road safety coming