95% of all journeys whether UK, Europe, or the USA are 35 miles or less a day. We use or Nissan leaf as a school run an dog ferrying vehicle. We use or Tesla's for 250+ journeys. Ive just bought a used RTV electric mini truck for the farm, it does 15 mph, pulls 1.5 tonne carrys 650kg and has a range of 30 miles. Ideal for the proposed use.

There is talk of phasing out ICE by 2030 now in the UK
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/21/uk-plans-to-bring-forward-ban-on-fossil-fuel-vehicles-to-2030

 

Your tesla drivign luxury car sector is basically irrelevent, isnt it !

its the masses that need serving

why is it that an electric moped makes no sense on an emissions or cost basis over running an ice equilvalant

 

Volvo/ Polestar say you have to do at least 50k in a electric car to make its carbon foot print better than a ICE
So doing 10k a year it would take 5 years to be environmentally friendly.
Just something to think about if you want to save the planet.

 

My Tesla is only irrelevant to you

I'd like to see the emissions of a ICE moped versus an E moped?

N02 particulates, CO2

 

VW is promising production number of half a million EV id4 SUVs to replace the likes of Toyota RAV4, Honda CRV, VW Tiguan, and Hyundai Tucson.

They are aiming for production numbers of 1.5 million EVs in a few years. This is good news, another bunch of nails into the ICE market

 

Spotted a Honda E EV today on a 20 plate in really nice crystal blue. It does look funky in the flesh.

 

If you want a hypercar, Tesla has offered their latest supercar

The new tri motor 1100 hp Plaid Model S is on sale now for Ł131k. That is peanuts compared to the likes of Ferrari, Lamborghini, koenigsegg etc

Capable of 200mph, 0-60 < less than 2.0 secs

Oh and it can do 520 miles on a single charge

 

Most hypercar buyers don't care about the performance, its about the looks, sound and prestige and Tesla can't compete on those points!

Some interesting announcements at Teslas battery event the other day, in particular going Cobalt free is a positive move, although we don't know what they will replace the Cobalt with (if anything) and if its really any better. Very good progress on reducing battery weight and therefore improved range, but sadly nothing significant on battery life and as yet all the new tech announcements are only at the lab stage, ramping up to production is a bigger step, so no significant improvements in the next couple of years. The balance for me is still ok for ultra-compact EVs but still no to standard sized EVs that are not offering any significant improvement on CO2 to offset the other environmental damage from battery production.

 

I like Tesla's - I like the performance, and they are really pushing Tech boundaries all the time (which is a good thing), I like the minimalist interior - but the body styling of those Model 3's is dull, dull, dull - and why are they always White?, they are like the Chest Freezer of the Automotive world, you plug it in and never look at it again - the ultimate 'white goods' boring...

Shame, as I see absolutely loads and loads around now (white ones!), they really seem to be gaining traction, but that boring exterior guppy styling.... eugh!, especially the front bumper/grille (or lack of)

 

This is one of my bugbears about them; they are just soulless and the interior of the Model 3 is just so bland and boring

 

Well theyre all just glorified mobilty scooters all said and done , with a jelly mould slapped on top

which sooner or later wont even be driven by the human inside

 

I really like the minimalist look, something quite different. Less distractions.

[QUOTE=IdonthaveaScooby;12090077]Well theyre all just glorified mobilty scooters all said and done , with a jelly mould slapped on top
/QUOTE]

Some mobility scooter, fastest production car, seats 5 comfortably

 

You cannot ignore the tremendous atmospheric improvement in towns/cities/suburbia if more EVs were used.

 

Yeah, but that is a false positive. You can reduce shark attacks by draining the oceans. Yes, you will reduce shark attacks but the other damage caused as a result is collosal.

 

I don't!

Sure there are health benefits for the people living in those cities, but simply relocating the pollution/environmental damage somewhere else doesn't solve the problem, it just means its someone else's problem! Hardly the solution we're looking for!

You cannot ignore the desertification caused by diverting ground water to salt beds for lithium extraction.
You cannot ignore the ground water pollution caused by the lithium extraction process.
You cannot ignore the environmental damage producing and disposing of the chemical compounds used to fill EV batteries.

You have to look at the whole picture and not just focus on the nice bits you like! Yes ICEs are not good, but in the majority of cases, BEVs are really not better!

 

British Health for British Workers !

he can’t smell l beyond the end of his nose

which amazingly gets all the way to London from his country retreat

, hundreds miles away

 

You're going to be waiting a very, very long time for a Carbon neutral or negative with no pollution vehicle whilst in use. Decades if not a century away. By then it will be too late if you stick with your ICE

 

No it won't because a) BEVs are only saving a tiny fraction of CO2 compared to ICEs and b) private use of vehicles accounts for only a very small amount of the human produced CO2.

So even if we all switched to BEVs tomorrow, it would barely be a scratch on the surface of what we need to do!

Deforestation, over-population, global shipping, business travel, carbon fuel power stations etc. are all areas with far greater potential for reducing man-made CO2 than swapping our private vehicles to BEVs.

If you want to save CO2 in your private vehicle, the best way is to stop driving it so much! Get on your bike or use public transport instead of driving your car.

 

There is more to it than just CO2. emissions are important too

You only focus on CO2 because the argument of using a EV for the majority is already conclusive. The amount of CO2 is very varied, from the vehicle, size of battery and energy source to charge it.

I use only energy supply from renewable sources, next year I will be hopefully fully self generated electric from our solar system, thus further improving the CO2 offset.


But you will say solar panels are no good because they cost energy to construct.

 

Only way it would be conclusive is if All the energy came from renewables !

 

All you meed to do is switch energy supplier, try a comparison website 👍

 

Erm, what now? I've been saying all along its not just about CO2, its the whole environmental cost and those huge battery cells are massively damaging the environment with far more than CO2!

As for you only using energy supply from renewable sources, that is also bollocks! When you are connected to the grid you get the energy mix that the grid is supplying at any moment, you simply can't filter out the green electrons from the fosil fuel electrons! You may well have a tariff that says you have 100% renewable energy, but that is technically not possible while connected to the grid, the small print will most certainly clarify that you tariff is actually just a promise to invest in more renewable energy.

The only way you can be 100% renewable is if you are off grid with your own 100% renewable energy supply!

As for solar pannels, yes they cost energy to construct, they also contain lithium, but they generate more energy over their lifetime than the energy that they cost to produce, so on the whole are a very good source of zero carbon energy supply (although of course there is still a CO2 cost in their manufacture). I'm currently building a house which has been fitted with 7kWp solar array which will be more than enough to be self sustaining over the year, but the reality is, I will be a net supplier of 100% renewable energy in the Summer months feeding into the grid, but in the winter I'll need to top up with energy back from the grid which will be the same energy mix that everyone else gets. Overall, I'll still be a net supplier, but I'm still dependent on the brown coal fired power plants in Eastern Germany in the winter months when energy demand is higher and solar power is not available. Actually, the bigger difference my building project will make is that I'll only be 3km from work, so my daily commute will be on bicycle every day rather than the current one day a week. So I'll be saving more CO2 by not driving than I would by buying a EV and living in the same place!

For home wind energy, that is a big no-no! The amount of energy that a wind turbine produces is a cubed factor of the size of the turbine blades. If they are huge, they generate a massive amount of energy, while small turbines generate very little. The typical home wind turbine therefore requires more energy to manufacture than it will ever generate, while the huge industrial turbines very quickly generate energy than their manufacturing cost.

 

Green Energy Uk ??

 

California has signed the order to ban ICE for 2035. The first for USA.

 

California is also leading the way with Hydrogen cars thanks to laws introduced by the Governator!

 

Just imagine all those Tesla scrapped at the side the road my goodness

 

They're normally not scrapped, they just catch fire a lot

 

I wonder if you can retrofit a Tesla with Hydrogen tanks and a fuel cell in place of the batteries?

 

This website seems to think Hydrogen cell vehicles are a long way off and not that green re CO2

Hydrogen v Battery vehicles

“BEVs can already be conveniently charged at the passenger’s home, something that is not be possible for FCEVs. It should also be noted that the CO2 emissions from a BEV over its lifetime are not only significantly lower than an ICE vehicle but are also lower than FCEV, where the majority of hydrogen is generated using fossil fuels, through methane steam reforming.

“Ultimately it comes down to two factors. The proven scalability, and hence the cost reductions of battery technology, and the poor charging infrastructure for fuel cell cars mean that BEVs are expected to dominate the passenger vehicle market in the coming decades.”


I hadn't realised steam reforming methame creates vasts amounts of CO2 to extract a relatively small amount of hydrogen

one ton of hydrogen produced will also produce 9 to 12 tons of CO2.[9]

 

Why would Tesla want to make their cars slower than 1.6 diesel engine vehicle.

That's what electric motors driven by batteries do best. Mahoosive torque from zero rpm, hypercar car performance in a practical 5 seater saloon body