Electric cars
13 February 2018, 01:18 PM
#31
The Toyota Auris hybrid (and its Lexus and Prius brothers) get well over 50k on pads and disks. One customer's Auris is over 80,000miles with plenty of meat left, poor blokes paranoid as he's had the car five years and never gone so long without needing pads.
It will need discs by the time they are due as they getting rather corroded and will be on their minimum thickness in another 20k or so. Brake discs do wear; depending on pad compound; Hybrids and EVs will have more abrasive pad compounds to keep the braking surfaces clean and prevent material build up.Unless a caliper or pad sticks, which is likely given their light usage; they'll stick on after a emergency stop and then cook the pads. So by rights they should be stripped and cleaned every 4-5 years (or more often in rural or coastal areas), even if it's not mentioned in the schedules.
Last edited by ALi-B; 13 February 2018 at 01:26 PM.
13 February 2018, 01:29 PM
#33
There will be a law/regulation at some point in the future forcing them to make a noise' such as beepers like a 'leccy fork lift. Just needs some more pedestrians or cyclists to get injured/killed before the powers that be act.
It is quite fun creeping up on work colleagues and letting rip with the horn...or headlamp washers
13 February 2018, 01:32 PM
#34
Scooby Regular
There will be a law/regulation at some point in the future forcing them to make a noise' such as beepers like a 'leccy fork lift. Just needs some more pedestrians or cyclists to get injured/killed before the powers that be act.
It is quite fun creeping up on work colleagues and letting rip with the horn...or headlamp washers
It is quite fun creeping up on work colleagues and letting rip with the horn...or headlamp washers
13 February 2018, 01:43 PM
#36
There will be a law/regulation at some point in the future forcing them to make a noise' such as beepers like a 'leccy fork lift. Just needs some more pedestrians or cyclists to get injured/killed before the powers that be act.
It is quite fun creeping up on work colleagues and letting rip with the horn...or headlamp washers
It is quite fun creeping up on work colleagues and letting rip with the horn...or headlamp washers
13 February 2018, 03:51 PM
#38
Legislation has got most of this covered.
The noise thing will be there for 2019 model years, this has been worded as an "artificial engine noise" as thats what pedestrians are subconsciously tuned into, however it wont be long before the roads sound like the jetsons.
As for brakes, even with a fully phased braking system (electrical regen as much as possible and brakes only when the regens not upto demand... see bosch ibooster) there are usually friction brake cycles built into the drive cycles specifically to keep the discs fresh for when theyre needed, however as these systems usually work by measuring brake pedal input and controlling the brakes (or regen) to achieve a set g of deceleration (this is needed to keep the brake feel equal if in friction or regen), then actually the condition of the discs and pads shouldnt matter unless theyre metal to metal as the force applied by the booster isnt the same as the force applied by your foot! Its just controlling the hydraulic pressure at the caliper (and the amount of regen in the motor) to achieve a decelerative g defined by the mapping ..... make sense?
The noise thing will be there for 2019 model years, this has been worded as an "artificial engine noise" as thats what pedestrians are subconsciously tuned into, however it wont be long before the roads sound like the jetsons.
As for brakes, even with a fully phased braking system (electrical regen as much as possible and brakes only when the regens not upto demand... see bosch ibooster) there are usually friction brake cycles built into the drive cycles specifically to keep the discs fresh for when theyre needed, however as these systems usually work by measuring brake pedal input and controlling the brakes (or regen) to achieve a set g of deceleration (this is needed to keep the brake feel equal if in friction or regen), then actually the condition of the discs and pads shouldnt matter unless theyre metal to metal as the force applied by the booster isnt the same as the force applied by your foot! Its just controlling the hydraulic pressure at the caliper (and the amount of regen in the motor) to achieve a decelerative g defined by the mapping ..... make sense?
13 February 2018, 05:51 PM
#39
Scooby Senior
Renaults already have fake noise inside, I fooled a top level Rally geek in a rental Clio. No bother playing that outside.
The braking in the Smart EV I borrowed was pretty insane, much better than mine. It used the regen for adaptive cruise too which was nice and smoother than a diesel.
I still want the Smart but need to save a few pennies first, great town car and a Ninja Hoonigan when you fancy it, no screaming engine wins sometimes.
No bother playing that outside. The braking in the Smart EV I borrowed was pretty insane, much better than mine. It used the regen for adaptive cruise too which was nice and smoother than a diesel.
I still want the Smart but need to save a few pennies first, great town car and a Ninja Hoonigan when you fancy it, no screaming engine wins sometimes.
13 February 2018, 07:01 PM
#40
These days its: fit airpods, look down on phone, post Twitter comment, cross, splat.
Clarkson's come with a sport to "Troll" cars fitted with collision avoidance. Considering the radar fitted to the Audi A8 (or Bentley Continental) looks like HAL9000, I wouldn't trust it
14 February 2018, 09:06 AM
#42
My Leaf 2.0 has come into stock now, but I've delayed collecting till March. This is to give the Charge point installer time to get the 7KW point in at our home. Its a closed shop system so at the mercy of these authorised companies.
I noticed that they also do a 20KW charger, this will be useful at our new home, which will have 3 phase
I noticed that they also do a 20KW charger, this will be useful at our new home, which will have 3 phase
14 February 2018, 09:27 AM
#44
Scooby Regular
Renaults already have fake noise inside, I fooled a top level Rally geek in a rental Clio. No bother playing that outside.
The braking in the Smart EV I borrowed was pretty insane, much better than mine. It used the regen for adaptive cruise too which was nice and smoother than a diesel.
I still want the Smart but need to save a few pennies first, great town car and a Ninja Hoonigan when you fancy it, no screaming engine wins sometimes.
No bother playing that outside. The braking in the Smart EV I borrowed was pretty insane, much better than mine. It used the regen for adaptive cruise too which was nice and smoother than a diesel.
I still want the Smart but need to save a few pennies first, great town car and a Ninja Hoonigan when you fancy it, no screaming engine wins sometimes.
actualy i would, bloody jessy's
14 February 2018, 11:26 AM
#50
Scooby Senior
Could't live with the Duracell colours though.
14 February 2018, 12:55 PM
#51
Scooby Senior
No doubt someone somewhere has this soundtrack fitted to their prius
https://youtu.be/-q4fPOXXDHk
https://youtu.be/-q4fPOXXDHk
I used the Clio Cup.
. '18 Leaf collect Thursday. Monday 300 mile journey, we have setup our public charge accounts with Ecotricity
28 February 2018, 02:17 PM
#55
Hyundai Kona, new electric compact SUV .180+ miles 
https://www.slashgear.com/hyundai-ko...ange-28521431/
https://www.slashgear.com/hyundai-ko...ange-28521431/
01 March 2018, 01:22 PM
#57
Not sure of the price point for the I-PACE but not sure they're going for the same market as Nissan/Hyundai etc. If they can put an electric QashQai out at less than £25K, then take off the government grant and do some nice dealer/finance incentives, there will be a lot more EVs on the road...
01 March 2018, 01:44 PM
#60
They may end up with major reputation issues meaning the EV maybe the better choice if it's reliable.... It seems they are suffering engine failures on their new engines and owners are being left without a vehicle for long periods, presumably due to stock shortage of lack of workshop capacity.
Oh and the Velar's door handle...bad idea to copy Tesla...you know what happens when they freeze? They break. The wonders of vanity presiding over engineering.
Last edited by ALi-B; 01 March 2018 at 01:45 PM.
