P1 or not P1
22 January 2018, 08:13 PM
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I do appreciate all the feedback. There many more wiser people out there when it comes to P1's But his car is absolutely immaculate. There isn't a mark on it anywhere that shows its a 17year old car. I've seen it in person and gone over it with a fine tooth comb and a torch. You'll laugh at this but its actually only ever had one lady owner from new apart from the garage who registered it has their demo but sold it within a month of registration.
22 January 2018, 08:34 PM
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Its a good shout! There are stone chips to validate the 39k miles. Its not showroom mint but I think you get what I mean when I say immaculate. Its 17 year old but looks like its been well looked after.
23 January 2018, 05:17 AM
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The main Fuji Heavy Industries VIN plate IS on the nearside front suspension turrett. Subaru UK added a 2nd VIN plate which showed the P1 build number. This was done by Subaru UK as the 2 door Impreza wasn't recognised in the UK as an EU legal vehicle back in the day. Subaru went through a whole load of bureaucracy to make the P1 an offical UK car. I always thought the 2nd stage build plate was on the offside but its a long long time since I had mine so could be wrong - but there are only two places it could be n/s or o/s !
As is said, the engine could have issues but to balance the argument I did 96,000 miles in mine from new in 4 years and it never missed a beat. no clutch plate and nothing broke. The 4 pot front brakes have their limitations though and faded badly which got sorted with a set of AP 6 pot calipers and discs, but to drive it was a superb car and I enjoyed every mile my cheeks still hurt from the grinning I did.
I think the value of these types of cars now is impossible to gauge, I to would avoid the ones that have been 'modded' and aren't in an original condition. I would also pay a premium for the right car in the right condition - i've seen plenty of 'mint' cars that are simply not. why not speak to the lady owner and ask questions - any woman who got the inlet manifold repainted has got to be worth chatting to
Its your money, you've earned it so its your right to spend it how you like - we all die one day so make the most of being alive I say.
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As is said, the engine could have issues but to balance the argument I did 96,000 miles in mine from new in 4 years and it never missed a beat. no clutch plate and nothing broke. The 4 pot front brakes have their limitations though and faded badly which got sorted with a set of AP 6 pot calipers and discs, but to drive it was a superb car and I enjoyed every mile my cheeks still hurt from the grinning I did.
I think the value of these types of cars now is impossible to gauge, I to would avoid the ones that have been 'modded' and aren't in an original condition. I would also pay a premium for the right car in the right condition - i've seen plenty of 'mint' cars that are simply not. why not speak to the lady owner and ask questions - any woman who got the inlet manifold repainted has got to be worth chatting to
Its your money, you've earned it so its your right to spend it how you like - we all die one day so make the most of being alive I say.
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23 January 2018, 06:40 PM
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Mad amount of £ for the car for what you can get for £30k but as a (sort of) investment could be worth It
23 January 2018, 08:17 PM
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The main Fuji Heavy Industries VIN plate IS on the nearside front suspension turrett. Subaru UK added a 2nd VIN plate which showed the P1 build number. This was done by Subaru UK as the 2 door Impreza wasn't recognised in the UK as an EU legal vehicle back in the day. Subaru went through a whole load of bureaucracy to make the P1 an offical UK car. I always thought the 2nd stage build plate was on the offside but its a long long time since I had mine so could be wrong - but there are only two places it could be n/s or o/s !
As is said, the engine could have issues but to balance the argument I did 96,000 miles in mine from new in 4 years and it never missed a beat. no clutch plate and nothing broke. The 4 pot front brakes have their limitations though and faded badly which got sorted with a set of AP 6 pot calipers and discs, but to drive it was a superb car and I enjoyed every mile my cheeks still hurt from the grinning I did.
I think the value of these types of cars now is impossible to gauge, I to would avoid the ones that have been 'modded' and aren't in an original condition. I would also pay a premium for the right car in the right condition - i've seen plenty of 'mint' cars that are simply not. why not speak to the lady owner and ask questions - any woman who got the inlet manifold repainted has got to be worth chatting to
Its your money, you've earned it so its your right to spend it how you like - we all die one day so make the most of being alive I say.
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As is said, the engine could have issues but to balance the argument I did 96,000 miles in mine from new in 4 years and it never missed a beat. no clutch plate and nothing broke. The 4 pot front brakes have their limitations though and faded badly which got sorted with a set of AP 6 pot calipers and discs, but to drive it was a superb car and I enjoyed every mile my cheeks still hurt from the grinning I did.
I think the value of these types of cars now is impossible to gauge, I to would avoid the ones that have been 'modded' and aren't in an original condition. I would also pay a premium for the right car in the right condition - i've seen plenty of 'mint' cars that are simply not. why not speak to the lady owner and ask questions - any woman who got the inlet manifold repainted has got to be worth chatting to
Its your money, you've earned it so its your right to spend it how you like - we all die one day so make the most of being alive I say.
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23 January 2018, 11:27 PM
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who knows where this generation of 'classic' cars will eventually peak in value. Who'd have put money on an RS2000 fetching near enough £100,000.00 at auction, Red Tommi Makinen EVO 6 now commanding 30k - 50k and all in the space of a couple of years, the list goes on.
I own 2 cars that I believe will grow in value in time, this would be my first cars that potentially will increase in value to, based on current market trends.
But hey its a car at the end of the day and an 'investment' and may lose value in time like all the others I've owned, but I'm in a position where that's not the end of the world and to be honest I'll have more satisfaction out of owning them and tinkering with them than getting excited about any increase in value or pension funds.
For the record I probably paid over the odds for both my 'investment' cars but they are mine, owned outright and not a penny of finance and I don't care what anyone else thinks or says regarding the price, I paid what I felt was a fair price for the right car for me to own.
My P1 was £31,495.00 plus the cost of a stereo back in 2000 as Subaru were too mean to put one in the cars - but the grin factor was worth a lot more I can tell you.
good luck what ever you choose to do
I own 2 cars that I believe will grow in value in time, this would be my first cars that potentially will increase in value to, based on current market trends.
But hey its a car at the end of the day and an 'investment' and may lose value in time like all the others I've owned, but I'm in a position where that's not the end of the world and to be honest I'll have more satisfaction out of owning them and tinkering with them than getting excited about any increase in value or pension funds.
For the record I probably paid over the odds for both my 'investment' cars but they are mine, owned outright and not a penny of finance and I don't care what anyone else thinks or says regarding the price, I paid what I felt was a fair price for the right car for me to own.
My P1 was £31,495.00 plus the cost of a stereo back in 2000 as Subaru were too mean to put one in the cars - but the grin factor was worth a lot more I can tell you.
good luck what ever you choose to do
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You could import an immaculate type r with sililar or less miles for 10 k less and also have a far better car. Your choice tho so if your happy that’s all that matters ��
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I've never understood the whole point of buying a car to drive it a little to keep the miles down. Bit like not ****ing your girlfriend to keep her fresh for the next guy.
Can understand that it's an investment but it's not something I could do. Enjoy the car
Can understand that it's an investment but it's not something I could do. Enjoy the car
24 January 2018, 10:19 PM
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And why is a Type R so much better than a P1 may I ask, based on your own experiences with both models?
24 January 2018, 11:21 PM
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I didn’t say he had, just he trades every day with Japanese cars. There are some nice examples that crop up from time to time for around 20k. Why you so arsy anyway.... another keyboard warrior that’s got a bee in his bonnet maybe.
I prefer the r mainly because of the dccd but also prefer the gearing, looks, electric windows etc. Maybe it’s an opinion thing but I would rather spend less money on more car than on a uk car that has been in uk weather from its birth.
I prefer the r mainly because of the dccd but also prefer the gearing, looks, electric windows etc. Maybe it’s an opinion thing but I would rather spend less money on more car than on a uk car that has been in uk weather from its birth.
24 January 2018, 11:42 PM
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I agree a p1 will hold its price better but still think 30k is very steep even with such low miles. Meant to say electric mirrors by the way lol.
If you are serious about wanting a nice r I can ask my mate to keep an eye out as he does come across them circa 20k quite a lot. Doesn’t tend to buy them mind as he buys things cheap to import then do up or break but he does have a lot of contacts over there ho get there hands on them before they hit the auctions.
If you are serious about wanting a nice r I can ask my mate to keep an eye out as he does come across them circa 20k quite a lot. Doesn’t tend to buy them mind as he buys things cheap to import then do up or break but he does have a lot of contacts over there ho get there hands on them before they hit the auctions.
25 January 2018, 01:03 AM
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I didn’t say he had, just he trades every day with Japanese cars. There are some nice examples that crop up from time to time for around 20k. Why you so arsy anyway.... another keyboard warrior that’s got a bee in his bonnet maybe.
I prefer the r mainly because of the dccd but also prefer the gearing, looks, electric windows etc. Maybe it’s an opinion thing but I would rather spend less money on more car than on a uk car that has been in uk weather from its birth.
I prefer the r mainly because of the dccd but also prefer the gearing, looks, electric windows etc. Maybe it’s an opinion thing but I would rather spend less money on more car than on a uk car that has been in uk weather from its birth.
I am no keyboard warrior, i'm way to long in the tooth for that kind of stuff, but you've made some sweeping statements about the type R over the P1 and therefore I was simply looking for the justification in what you state for the OP to consider and how he could maybe spend his money. Your preference for a type R partly because of its electric windows/mirrors can't be serious surely - and how exactly does a DCCD set up on Japanese spec suspension as per a Version V type R with no ABS better a non DCCD P1 on UK specific suspension with ABS in the UK? I don't mean to be conflicting in the slightest from what you state above but I'm interested in your personal experiences with both so that the OP could make an evaluated decision on his purchase should he choose to gun the car down a local B road or happily look at it in the garage or merely treat it as a potential investment opportunity.
As RAF1 says, V5 and V6 Type R cars in sonic blue are rare now in japan and if the buying price over there is 20K as you indicate, thats not exactly the full story or price landed in the UK and ready for the road. but if you mean 20k ready for the road in the UK then I would say that is a very over estimated figure as well for a Version 5 or 6 Type R and someone is having someones pants down !
I mean well, with no malicious intended, as we are all part of a community of Subaru fans, but the OP should be given real facts to assist his purchase decision and not hearsay.
I say good luck to the OP if he spends 30k on a P1 ! or 20K on type R
25 January 2018, 11:01 AM
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just to be sure here,
I am no keyboard warrior, i'm way to long in the tooth for that kind of stuff, but you've made some sweeping statements about the type R over the P1 and therefore I was simply looking for the justification in what you state for the OP to consider and how he could maybe spend his money. Your preference for a type R partly because of its electric windows/mirrors can't be serious surely - and how exactly does a DCCD set up on Japanese spec suspension as per a Version V type R with no ABS better a non DCCD P1 on UK specific suspension with ABS in the UK? I don't mean to be conflicting in the slightest from what you state above but I'm interested in your personal experiences with both so that the OP could make an evaluated decision on his purchase should he choose to gun the car down a local B road or happily look at it in the garage or merely treat it as a potential investment opportunity.
As RAF1 says, V5 and V6 Type R cars in sonic blue are rare now in japan and if the buying price over there is 20K as you indicate, thats not exactly the full story or price landed in the UK and ready for the road. but if you mean 20k ready for the road in the UK then I would say that is a very over estimated figure as well for a Version 5 or 6 Type R and someone is having someones pants down !
I mean well, with no malicious intended, as we are all part of a community of Subaru fans, but the OP should be given real facts to assist his purchase decision and not hearsay.
I say good luck to the OP if he spends 30k on a P1 ! or 20K on type R
I am no keyboard warrior, i'm way to long in the tooth for that kind of stuff, but you've made some sweeping statements about the type R over the P1 and therefore I was simply looking for the justification in what you state for the OP to consider and how he could maybe spend his money. Your preference for a type R partly because of its electric windows/mirrors can't be serious surely - and how exactly does a DCCD set up on Japanese spec suspension as per a Version V type R with no ABS better a non DCCD P1 on UK specific suspension with ABS in the UK? I don't mean to be conflicting in the slightest from what you state above but I'm interested in your personal experiences with both so that the OP could make an evaluated decision on his purchase should he choose to gun the car down a local B road or happily look at it in the garage or merely treat it as a potential investment opportunity.
As RAF1 says, V5 and V6 Type R cars in sonic blue are rare now in japan and if the buying price over there is 20K as you indicate, thats not exactly the full story or price landed in the UK and ready for the road. but if you mean 20k ready for the road in the UK then I would say that is a very over estimated figure as well for a Version 5 or 6 Type R and someone is having someones pants down !
I mean well, with no malicious intended, as we are all part of a community of Subaru fans, but the OP should be given real facts to assist his purchase decision and not hearsay.
I say good luck to the OP if he spends 30k on a P1 ! or 20K on type R
I understand everything you say and also agree with most of it. All I was doing is giving my honest opinion n like I did say if he is happy then that is all that matters. The post originally was to ask for people’s opinions n that is what I have done just like everyone else. I did correct myself about the electric windows as that was shearly a typo. I will stick to my opinion on price as I still think 30k for a uk weathered p1 is way of the mark but again it’s just my opinion.
25 January 2018, 06:31 PM
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You’re quite right, hadn’t read the advert through.End of the day, you can have a similar mileage type r v limited for half the price of a p1. Suppose it comes down to how much you are willing/able to invest, if prices went up at the same rate then the p1 could earn you more. But in terms of value for money a limited type r every time
25 January 2018, 09:17 PM
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I would just like to thank everyone's comments opinions and factual information. All this helps us newbies a chance to make a more informed judgement. Unfortunately I'm not going to be pursuing the low mileage £30k due to family reasons (daughter's needs). But when I am read to indulge, all the information that I' have been fortunately to have learned will be most useful.
Thanks to all.
Thanks to all.
26 January 2018, 05:09 AM
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I would just like to thank everyone's comments opinions and factual information. All this helps us newbies a chance to make a more informed judgement. Unfortunately I'm not going to be pursuing the low mileage £30k due to family reasons (daughter's needs). But when I am read to indulge, all the information that I' have been fortunately to have learned will be most useful.
Thanks to all.
Thanks to all.
if it had been painted underneath, poly bushed and had all the sub frames and running gear powder coated
Then I could see it being a mid £20k P1
Wonder if it's been mapped for UK fuel
26 January 2018, 06:52 AM
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All P1's were mapped for UK super unleaded fuel with the addition of briquettes in the fuel tank to boost to octane rating.
The ECU was in essence a Version V STI with a tweak for additional knock safety as the UK had a lower octane rating for super unleaded fuel compared to the higher 100RON in Japan.
The ECU was in essence a Version V STI with a tweak for additional knock safety as the UK had a lower octane rating for super unleaded fuel compared to the higher 100RON in Japan.