Brakes and Discs for 450bhp give me the truth and nothing but the truth!
#31
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I'm using a set of black diamond predictor pads and the brake fade is very noticeable. Avoid I'll be looking for a better road pad next time.
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As has already been said , you won't get a pad that doesn't have a trade off somewhere , be great if we could find a pad that's quiet , no dust , great for popping down the shops then will do 50 laps on the track , we'd sell thousands of them lol.
You will find a lot of recommendations as everyone is different , different driving styles make a big difference to how pads work , and people have different idea's how they should bite , someone who brakes hard into bends will require better pads than someone who carries the speed through a bend , especially on the track.
All the pads mentioned above are very capable and would suit most drivers.
Brembo sport HP2000.
Good pads from cold , quiet in use , can take some hard fast road driving and light track use , not something I'd recommend for the track though . Not too bad for dust .
Ferodo DS2500
Ok pad from cold , I find that you need some heat into them before they bite well , wouldn't need a lot of warming up , a few applications , a quiet pad in use , can be dusty , will again take some light track use , more than the Brembo sport.
PF Z rated
Again ok from cold , similar the DS2500's , again doesn't take a lot to warm them , very capable pad for fast road driving , and better than Brembo and DS2500 on track , not bad for dust , easy on discs and quiet.
CL RC5+
Very good pad hot and cold , very , harder you use them the dustier they get , fairly easy on discs , very capable very fast road pad , would suit most driving styles on the road today with the limited places you can hoon about ! very good on track , would suit most track day guys who use road cars , and need to use them for work the next day !
CL RC6
More suited to weekend cars for very hard road driving , or hard track use , these are hard on discs , and will wear the discs much faster than the others mentioned so far , but are very very good , I use these in my Clio 182 rally car , in which I do a lot of left foot braking , and have never had fade in them , the last rally I did in it I finished 3rd O/A beating a WRC Impreza on some stages.
Pagids are very good as well , popular pads with a lot of other makes is the RSL29's , we supply a lot of these for the M3 guys in our AP 6 pot kits , the pads for the STi Brembo's are £285 for fronts and £192 for rears , so quite a lot more than the others.
If you can put up with some squeal , for the money CL RC5+ are very good value , and a very capable pad.
Matched with some grooved discs it would be more than a match for most drivers
If you want to have a chat more , please ring me , I can run through options with you
Cheers Ian
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You will find a lot of recommendations as everyone is different , different driving styles make a big difference to how pads work , and people have different idea's how they should bite , someone who brakes hard into bends will require better pads than someone who carries the speed through a bend , especially on the track.
All the pads mentioned above are very capable and would suit most drivers.
Brembo sport HP2000.
Good pads from cold , quiet in use , can take some hard fast road driving and light track use , not something I'd recommend for the track though . Not too bad for dust .
Ferodo DS2500
Ok pad from cold , I find that you need some heat into them before they bite well , wouldn't need a lot of warming up , a few applications , a quiet pad in use , can be dusty , will again take some light track use , more than the Brembo sport.
PF Z rated
Again ok from cold , similar the DS2500's , again doesn't take a lot to warm them , very capable pad for fast road driving , and better than Brembo and DS2500 on track , not bad for dust , easy on discs and quiet.
CL RC5+
Very good pad hot and cold , very , harder you use them the dustier they get , fairly easy on discs , very capable very fast road pad , would suit most driving styles on the road today with the limited places you can hoon about ! very good on track , would suit most track day guys who use road cars , and need to use them for work the next day !
CL RC6
More suited to weekend cars for very hard road driving , or hard track use , these are hard on discs , and will wear the discs much faster than the others mentioned so far , but are very very good , I use these in my Clio 182 rally car , in which I do a lot of left foot braking , and have never had fade in them , the last rally I did in it I finished 3rd O/A beating a WRC Impreza on some stages.
Pagids are very good as well , popular pads with a lot of other makes is the RSL29's , we supply a lot of these for the M3 guys in our AP 6 pot kits , the pads for the STi Brembo's are £285 for fronts and £192 for rears , so quite a lot more than the others.
If you can put up with some squeal , for the money CL RC5+ are very good value , and a very capable pad.
Matched with some grooved discs it would be more than a match for most drivers
If you want to have a chat more , please ring me , I can run through options with you
Cheers Ian
01656 723060
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https://www.godspeedbrakes.co.uk/package-deals-/288-fr-g-hook-discs-and-cl-rc5-pads-package.html
#34
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Yeh i get it thats it different strokes for different folks lol.
It's good to get everyones opinions on what they think about products as they use them day in day out. Alot of people have been kind to take time out and give their thoughts which have been very informative.
More than I've read in any other separate threads and its good to get it known and documented like this in depth for other people who may be in the same boat. (Want to know as much info as possible) as there is tons of options but whats the best for the money and in particular for the car and what suits them basically. Love the breakdowns Godspeed gives me more of a clear idea
It's good to get everyones opinions on what they think about products as they use them day in day out. Alot of people have been kind to take time out and give their thoughts which have been very informative.
More than I've read in any other separate threads and its good to get it known and documented like this in depth for other people who may be in the same boat. (Want to know as much info as possible) as there is tons of options but whats the best for the money and in particular for the car and what suits them basically. Love the breakdowns Godspeed gives me more of a clear idea
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These ones by any chance?
https://www.godspeedbrakes.co.uk/pac...s-package.html
https://www.godspeedbrakes.co.uk/pac...s-package.html
Cheers Ian
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On my last hawk running 460 bhp I had pfc z’s with DBA T2’s braided lines and 5.1 fluid. Great setup on the brembos for a bit of fast road but after a good hammer the disks start to crack. This was my experience I’m sure others are fine.
I’m now running 6 pot alcons with 365mm 2 piece rotors with dsp2500 pads braided lines 5.1 fluid cdf break stopper Godspeed rear hooked disks with dsp 2500 pads standard brembos @ 450bhp and there just simply amazing.
I’m now running 6 pot alcons with 365mm 2 piece rotors with dsp2500 pads braided lines 5.1 fluid cdf break stopper Godspeed rear hooked disks with dsp 2500 pads standard brembos @ 450bhp and there just simply amazing.
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why does 450bhp mean you need to stop any better than a 240bhp car... at 70mph both cars are the same??
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They should of not sold sti's with brembo calipers or discs at the back, you think we should tell them to run drum brakes at the back and stick some fiesta brakes upfront? After all they all have to stop from 30,60,70 mph...
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If they are both travelling at a constant 70 - your thinking is correct.
But if both cars are accelerating to 70 (flat out) the 450 car will get there faster, and therefore requires “stronger” brakes to stop it.
Happy to be corrected
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My simple physics understanding:
If they are both travelling at a constant 70 - your thinking is correct.
But if both cars are accelerating to 70 (flat out) the 450 car will get there faster, and therefore requires “stronger” brakes to stop it.
Happy to be corrected
If they are both travelling at a constant 70 - your thinking is correct.
But if both cars are accelerating to 70 (flat out) the 450 car will get there faster, and therefore requires “stronger” brakes to stop it.
Happy to be corrected
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On my last hawk running 460 bhp I had pfc z’s with DBA T2’s braided lines and 5.1 fluid. Great setup on the brembos for a bit of fast road but after a good hammer the disks start to crack. This was my experience I’m sure others are fine.
I’m now running 6 pot alcons with 365mm 2 piece rotors with dsp2500 pads braided lines 5.1 fluid cdf break stopper Godspeed rear hooked disks with dsp 2500 pads standard brembos @ 450bhp and there just simply amazing.
I’m now running 6 pot alcons with 365mm 2 piece rotors with dsp2500 pads braided lines 5.1 fluid cdf break stopper Godspeed rear hooked disks with dsp 2500 pads standard brembos @ 450bhp and there just simply amazing.
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DBA are one of the best single piece discs on the market and we have / do supply a large quantity over the years with no issues.........
like all things brake choice is dependant on driving style, budget and to a degree personal "feel" - if there was a 'one size fits all' it would mean our stock holding would be far easier (and less costly)
like all things brake choice is dependant on driving style, budget and to a degree personal "feel" - if there was a 'one size fits all' it would mean our stock holding would be far easier (and less costly)
#46
Ferodo DS2500
Ok pad from cold , I find that you need some heat into them before they bite well , wouldn't need a lot of warming up , a few applications , a quiet pad in use , can be dusty , will again take some light track use , more than the Brembo sport.
PF Z rated
Again ok from cold , similar the DS2500's , again doesn't take a lot to warm them , very capable pad for fast road driving , and better than Brembo and DS2500 on track , not bad for dust , easy on discs and quiet.
Ok pad from cold , I find that you need some heat into them before they bite well , wouldn't need a lot of warming up , a few applications , a quiet pad in use , can be dusty , will again take some light track use , more than the Brembo sport.
PF Z rated
Again ok from cold , similar the DS2500's , again doesn't take a lot to warm them , very capable pad for fast road driving , and better than Brembo and DS2500 on track , not bad for dust , easy on discs and quiet.
The DS come in at £220 and the PF come in at £112, going by what you say the DS aren't worth the extra ££ ?
Or what do people think between the two ?
Fast road use blob STi
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My simple physics understanding:
If they are both travelling at a constant 70 - your thinking is correct.
But if both cars are accelerating to 70 (flat out) the 450 car will get there faster, and therefore requires “stronger” brakes to stop it.
Happy to be corrected
If they are both travelling at a constant 70 - your thinking is correct.
But if both cars are accelerating to 70 (flat out) the 450 car will get there faster, and therefore requires “stronger” brakes to stop it.
Happy to be corrected
ke?????
braking from 70 to 0 has absolutely nowt to do with how long it took you to get from 0 to 70 to start with ....... or am i misunderstanding your point?
I think the only factor making the 450bhp relevant to brake choice is that if your using the full 450 regularly your much more likely to be in a position where you need good brakes to get you out of trouble. On track is very different to road as youd be using all the power on every sstraight and therefore going into every corner with more speed to scrub.
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all are available off the shelf from ourselves as well as higher friction track options at better pricing than you have posted.........
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so the standard brembos with a decent pad and brake disc set up isn't up to scratch? i have been told with the right set up these calipers work well.
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I use Brembo Sport HP2000 on my blob, nice and quiet, work well from cold (I think better than standard) and can take a bit of punishment, probably more suited to fast road rather than track but miles better than standard (night and day). Not got them to fade yet but I'm not really heavy on the brakes.
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+1 for me. I just fitted these pads. Straight off the driveway they were extremely poor. Having got them warmed up gradually, I then started the bedding in procedure. By about the 4th hard decel from 60 the abs was starting to cut in without me really pushing hard on the pedal. Definately way more bite that the standard Pagids. As suggested you can spend way more than the 130 quid the Brembos cost and maybe that's needed if you're taking your car on track, but for fast road use, these could be a good balance of cost and performance....and without suffering from the squeal that a lot of the top performing pads suffer from until they get proper hot.
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I'll update what I said before now they've been on the car 10 days....from cold they aren't as good as the standard pagid pads, but if you're using your brakes enough to warm them up, they're very good. I'm running standard discs, which are all you need for the road.
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fair enough i just need a pad with a strong bite especially when your giving it some on the b roads