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Old 18 November 2017, 10:19 AM   #31  
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I'm using a set of black diamond predictor pads and the brake fade is very noticeable. Avoid I'll be looking for a better road pad next time.
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Old 18 November 2017, 11:53 AM   #32  
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As has already been said , you won't get a pad that doesn't have a trade off somewhere , be great if we could find a pad that's quiet , no dust , great for popping down the shops then will do 50 laps on the track , we'd sell thousands of them lol.

You will find a lot of recommendations as everyone is different , different driving styles make a big difference to how pads work , and people have different idea's how they should bite , someone who brakes hard into bends will require better pads than someone who carries the speed through a bend , especially on the track.

All the pads mentioned above are very capable and would suit most drivers.

Brembo sport HP2000.
Good pads from cold , quiet in use , can take some hard fast road driving and light track use , not something I'd recommend for the track though . Not too bad for dust .

Ferodo DS2500
Ok pad from cold , I find that you need some heat into them before they bite well , wouldn't need a lot of warming up , a few applications , a quiet pad in use , can be dusty , will again take some light track use , more than the Brembo sport.

PF Z rated
Again ok from cold , similar the DS2500's , again doesn't take a lot to warm them , very capable pad for fast road driving , and better than Brembo and DS2500 on track , not bad for dust , easy on discs and quiet.

CL RC5+
Very good pad hot and cold , very , harder you use them the dustier they get , fairly easy on discs , very capable very fast road pad , would suit most driving styles on the road today with the limited places you can hoon about ! very good on track , would suit most track day guys who use road cars , and need to use them for work the next day !

CL RC6
More suited to weekend cars for very hard road driving , or hard track use , these are hard on discs , and will wear the discs much faster than the others mentioned so far , but are very very good , I use these in my Clio 182 rally car , in which I do a lot of left foot braking , and have never had fade in them , the last rally I did in it I finished 3rd O/A beating a WRC Impreza on some stages.

Pagids are very good as well , popular pads with a lot of other makes is the RSL29's , we supply a lot of these for the M3 guys in our AP 6 pot kits , the pads for the STi Brembo's are £285 for fronts and £192 for rears , so quite a lot more than the others.

If you can put up with some squeal , for the money CL RC5+ are very good value , and a very capable pad.

Matched with some grooved discs it would be more than a match for most drivers

If you want to have a chat more , please ring me , I can run through options with you

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Old 18 November 2017, 03:21 PM   #33  
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If you can put up with some squeal , for the money CL RC5+ are very good value , and a very capable pad.

Matched with some grooved discs it would be more than a match for most drivers
These ones by any chance?
https://www.godspeedbrakes.co.uk/package-deals-/288-fr-g-hook-discs-and-cl-rc5-pads-package.html
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Old 18 November 2017, 03:28 PM   #34  
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Yeh i get it thats it different strokes for different folks lol.

It's good to get everyones opinions on what they think about products as they use them day in day out. Alot of people have been kind to take time out and give their thoughts which have been very informative.
More than I've read in any other separate threads and its good to get it known and documented like this in depth for other people who may be in the same boat. (Want to know as much info as possible) as there is tons of options but whats the best for the money and in particular for the car and what suits them basically. Love the breakdowns Godspeed gives me more of a clear idea

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Old 18 November 2017, 04:03 PM   #35  
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Yes very popular that package

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on a standard brembo caliper?
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On my last hawk running 460 bhp I had pfc zís with DBA T2ís braided lines and 5.1 fluid. Great setup on the brembos for a bit of fast road but after a good hammer the disks start to crack. This was my experience Iím sure others are fine.
Iím now running 6 pot alcons with 365mm 2 piece rotors with dsp2500 pads braided lines 5.1 fluid cdf break stopper Godspeed rear hooked disks with dsp 2500 pads standard brembos @ 450bhp and there just simply amazing.
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why does 450bhp mean you need to stop any better than a 240bhp car... at 70mph both cars are the same??
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why does 450bhp mean you need to stop any better than a 240bhp car... at 70mph both cars are the same??
yeh your right there mate sorry, you'd wonder why higher powered cars have better or bigger brakes.

They should of not sold sti's with brembo calipers or discs at the back, you think we should tell them to run drum brakes at the back and stick some fiesta brakes upfront? After all they all have to stop from 30,60,70 mph...
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why does 450bhp mean you need to stop any better than a 240bhp car... at 70mph both cars are the same??
My simple physics understanding:

If they are both travelling at a constant 70 - your thinking is correct.
But if both cars are accelerating to 70 (flat out) the 450 car will get there faster, and therefore requires ďstrongerĒ brakes to stop it.

Happy to be corrected
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My simple physics understanding:

If they are both travelling at a constant 70 - your thinking is correct.
But if both cars are accelerating to 70 (flat out) the 450 car will get there faster, and therefore requires ďstrongerĒ brakes to stop it.

Happy to be corrected
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On my last hawk running 460 bhp I had pfc zís with DBA T2ís braided lines and 5.1 fluid. Great setup on the brembos for a bit of fast road but after a good hammer the disks start to crack. This was my experience Iím sure others are fine.
Iím now running 6 pot alcons with 365mm 2 piece rotors with dsp2500 pads braided lines 5.1 fluid cdf break stopper Godspeed rear hooked disks with dsp 2500 pads standard brembos @ 450bhp and there just simply amazing.
i thought dba were good discs, were they drilled by any chance?
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Old 06 February 2018, 09:05 AM   #45  
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DBA are one of the best single piece discs on the market and we have / do supply a large quantity over the years with no issues.........

like all things brake choice is dependant on driving style, budget and to a degree personal "feel" - if there was a 'one size fits all' it would mean our stock holding would be far easier (and less costly)
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Ferodo DS2500
Ok pad from cold , I find that you need some heat into them before they bite well , wouldn't need a lot of warming up , a few applications , a quiet pad in use , can be dusty , will again take some light track use , more than the Brembo sport.

PF Z rated
Again ok from cold , similar the DS2500's , again doesn't take a lot to warm them , very capable pad for fast road driving , and better than Brembo and DS2500 on track , not bad for dust , easy on discs and quiet.

The DS come in at £220 and the PF come in at £112, going by what you say the DS aren't worth the extra ££ ?

Or what do people think between the two ?

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The DS come in at £220 and the PF come in at £112, going by what you say the DS aren't worth the extra ££ ?

Or what do people think between the two ?

Fast road use blob STi
The performance is very similar between the 2 types , I would go with PF because of the price difference , the DS2500's for the STi Brembos seem very expensive to me , considering the larger pads for the AP 6 pots are £145 a set !

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My simple physics understanding:

If they are both travelling at a constant 70 - your thinking is correct.
But if both cars are accelerating to 70 (flat out) the 450 car will get there faster, and therefore requires ďstrongerĒ brakes to stop it.

Happy to be corrected

ke?????

braking from 70 to 0 has absolutely nowt to do with how long it took you to get from 0 to 70 to start with ....... or am i misunderstanding your point?

I think the only factor making the 450bhp relevant to brake choice is that if your using the full 450 regularly your much more likely to be in a position where you need good brakes to get you out of trouble. On track is very different to road as youd be using all the power on every sstraight and therefore going into every corner with more speed to scrub.
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The DS come in at £220 and the PF come in at £112, going by what you say the DS aren't worth the extra ££ ?

Or what do people think between the two ?

Fast road use blob STi
the PFC is far more cost effective and very similar day to day, i you want something more refined road wise (albeit not as track capable as the PFC) then the Brembo Sport pads are very good quality and a car set can be had for similar price to what you have posted as a ds2500 front cost

all are available off the shelf from ourselves as well as higher friction track options at better pricing than you have posted.........
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just chuck a set of AP 6 pots on the front and be done with it.
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just chuck a set of AP 6 pots on the front and be done with it.
Even they still need proper disc and pads to function well😉.SJ.
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Even they still need proper disc and pads to function well😉.SJ.
o not saying they don't, but its a mega step up
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just chuck a set of AP 6 pots on the front and be done with it.
I did this too !

1. STD Brembos O.K. for a std. car....
2 PF discs and pads O.K. for trackdays at 340 bhp
3. six pot AP set-up easy fix for 400 bhp monkeying around.

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o not saying they don't, but its a mega step up
Your right,I just wish they came with better pads when you purchase new,as the Ferodo DS2500 are ok-ish for the road but when used hard fade like no ones business.SJ.
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I did this too !

1. STD Brembos O.K. for a std. car....
2 PF discs and pads O.K. for trackdays at 340 bhp
3. six pot AP set-up easy fix for 400 bhp monkeying around.

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so the standard brembos with a decent pad and brake disc set up isn't up to scratch? i have been told with the right set up these calipers work well.
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so the standard brembos with a decent pad and brake disc set up isn't up to scratch? i have been told with the right set up these calipers work well.
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