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26 October 2017, 02:09 PM
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What evidence have you that it doesn't is the obvious counter.
Of course, everyone who has ever died (properly, people who have been 'dead for x minutes' are not really dead!) has been unable to tell us whether their consciousness disappears or not, but that in itself is quite telling.
Do you think dolphins have consciousness? Dogs? If not, why not?
Of course, everyone who has ever died (properly, people who have been 'dead for x minutes' are not really dead!) has been unable to tell us whether their consciousness disappears or not, but that in itself is quite telling.
Do you think dolphins have consciousness? Dogs? If not, why not?
26 October 2017, 02:23 PM
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Actually you only made a sweeping statement, with no quotes about anything I said.
Here it is again, with some questions for you.
When you sleep deeply you lose all knowledge of your existence, you cease to be. Are you able to remain conscious in deep sleep? If you are then that's not deep sleep or any sort of normal sleep, You obviously don't literally cease to be, it just feels that way
Life begins again when you wake up, sometimes requiring a few moments to re-orientate yourself and remember where you are. Are you fully conscious during sleep so don't wake up like the rest of us? Or is it just me?
Death is the same, except you don't wake up. This is my opinion and debatable. The rest is not.
Here it is again, with some questions for you.
When you sleep deeply you lose all knowledge of your existence, you cease to be. Are you able to remain conscious in deep sleep? If you are then that's not deep sleep or any sort of normal sleep, You obviously don't literally cease to be, it just feels that way
Life begins again when you wake up, sometimes requiring a few moments to re-orientate yourself and remember where you are. Are you fully conscious during sleep so don't wake up like the rest of us? Or is it just me?
Death is the same, except you don't wake up. This is my opinion and debatable. The rest is not.
As for the questions, all you've achieved in the first one is contradicting the original point.
As for consciousness during sleep, of course you maintain some level of consiousness otherwise how would you wake up?
26 October 2017, 02:33 PM
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What evidence have you that it doesn't is the obvious counter.
Of course, everyone who has ever died (properly, people who have been 'dead for x minutes' are not really dead!) has been unable to tell us whether their consciousness disappears or not, but that in itself is quite telling.
Do you think dolphins have consciousness? Dogs? If not, why not?
Of course, everyone who has ever died (properly, people who have been 'dead for x minutes' are not really dead!) has been unable to tell us whether their consciousness disappears or not, but that in itself is quite telling.
Do you think dolphins have consciousness? Dogs? If not, why not?
Animals are conscious, but aren't (as far as is reasonable to assume) conscious of consciousness. A chimp may be able to throw a stick in to a tree and gather the resulting fruit, but it cannot (again a reasonable assumption) contemplate the notion of say quantum consciousness. It is this awareness that makes us distinct from our animal cousins and in 'the image of God' - the capacity to contemplate the eternal and therefore take part in it.
26 October 2017, 02:35 PM
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If i didn't quote what you'd said, then what was in the QUOTE box directly above my post?
As for the questions, all you've achieved in the first one is contradicting the original point.
As for consciousness during sleep, of course you maintain some level of consiousness otherwise how would you wake up?
As for the questions, all you've achieved in the first one is contradicting the original point.
As for consciousness during sleep, of course you maintain some level of consiousness otherwise how would you wake up?
You're just talking nonsense or you can't read.
26 October 2017, 02:39 PM
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So you have no evidence, yet confidently assert your switching off hypothesis.
Animals are conscious, but aren't (as far as is reasonable to assume) conscious of consciousness. A chimp may be able to throw a stick in to a tree and gather the resulting fruit, but it cannot (again a reasonable assumption) contemplate the notion of say quantum consciousness. It is this awareness that makes us distinct from our animal cousins and in 'the image of God' - the capacity to contemplate the eternal and therefore take part in it.
Animals are conscious, but aren't (as far as is reasonable to assume) conscious of consciousness. A chimp may be able to throw a stick in to a tree and gather the resulting fruit, but it cannot (again a reasonable assumption) contemplate the notion of say quantum consciousness. It is this awareness that makes us distinct from our animal cousins and in 'the image of God' - the capacity to contemplate the eternal and therefore take part in it.
Of course, I believe that it's likely that it disappears, but the circumstantial evidence would back that up. One day, we will know what consciousness is. The why is not relevant, in my opinion. There is no need for a why for any of it.
That is the great failing of humans, they feel the need to have a point to their existence.
26 October 2017, 02:41 PM
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Once again you chide someone for lack of evidence, yet fail to apply the same to yourself, tut tut.
Of course, I believe that it's likely that it disappears, but the circumstantial evidence would back that up. One day, we will know what consciousness is. The why is not relevant, in my opinion. There is no need for a why for any of it.
That is the great failing of humans, they feel the need to have a point to their existence.
Of course, I believe that it's likely that it disappears, but the circumstantial evidence would back that up. One day, we will know what consciousness is. The why is not relevant, in my opinion. There is no need for a why for any of it.
That is the great failing of humans, they feel the need to have a point to their existence.
26 October 2017, 03:20 PM
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26 October 2017, 06:06 PM
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That doesn't answer the question of why it needs meaning.
Or, another question is, even if you accept there is a God, what is the point? It gives existence no more meaning than if there were none. What is the point of his existence? What is the point of anything he creates? None really.
Or, another question is, even if you accept there is a God, what is the point? It gives existence no more meaning than if there were none. What is the point of his existence? What is the point of anything he creates? None really.
26 October 2017, 07:39 PM
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That doesn't answer the question of why it needs meaning.
Or, another question is, even if you accept there is a God, what is the point? It gives existence no more meaning than if there were none. What is the point of his existence? What is the point of anything he creates? None really.
Or, another question is, even if you accept there is a God, what is the point? It gives existence no more meaning than if there were none. What is the point of his existence? What is the point of anything he creates? None really.
27 October 2017, 08:50 AM
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27 October 2017, 09:50 AM
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That is the product of his existence, not the point. It's quite different. Existence has no meaning, but by existing, things happen. So individual actions can have a point, but overall, the Universe, God, anything really, just exist for existence sake.
27 October 2017, 10:06 AM
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27 October 2017, 10:35 AM
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'Actus purus essendi, ipse sit suum esse subsistens.'
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27 October 2017, 10:57 AM
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FVCK ME THIS PLACE IS DEAD..........
We are just not asking the right questions Warren, We seem to be taking to much about subarus. GOD FORBID
You also could be right good posters could have left because of the mormons ................
We are just not asking the right questions Warren, We seem to be taking to much about subarus. GOD FORBID
You also could be right good posters could have left because of the mormons ................
27 October 2017, 01:37 PM
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Is there any physical existence at all? But that's a whole other subject.
27 October 2017, 02:07 PM
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27 October 2017, 02:16 PM
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