Felix.

What are you on about here?

Felix.

So, just because you say it happens, that means that it happens everywhere. And indeed I must do it and everyone I know must do it.
You're argument always seems to be post-hoc.

neil-h

It's his standard whinge about speed cameras, don't worry about it.

madscoob

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your powers of deduction have failed you miserably much like our police farce do us, until they know your name it is polite and common practice to use sir, as for doing nothing wrong ie driving like a **** WRONG again (would it be safe to assume you are not a detective ?)i was driving my perfectly legal subaru in a perfectly legal manner doing about 20mph in a 30 zone, he was reading his version of the 1988rta to me, i pointed out japan is not part of the EU yet therefore section 46 of said act did not apply to my car ie it did not have to be 89db he still gave me a ticket, and tryed taking me to court, the case was dropped when the cps read the act properly and realized he was wrong, basic politeness to someone older than one's self is something lots of people in this sh1thole of a country should be taught at school, i expected better from a plod, but to be fair HE DID HAVE A FEW HAIRS AROUND HIS MOUTH

alcazar

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You know full well.

The FACT that you are guilty of speeding until you prove yourself innocent, and that if you cannot do so, you face a possible £1000 fine for failing to say who was driving.
And your lot enforce that and issue the threats.

Yet you bang on about innocent until proven guilty. You couldn't make it up.

alcazar

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brek ek ek ek, coax, coax.....

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Yours is certainly evasion. Just because YOU don't, or have never seen it, I must be wrong, etc.

and yet support for the police is dropping all the time. I wonder why that is?

You show yourself up.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Probably needs sight of a signed affidavit before accepting an opposing point of view

Possibly a fair view considering a shift involves dealing with ******* that lie and exaggerate all the time. Unfair to take "need evidence" stance towards everyone that has a differing viewpoint on a forum, the majority of which are law abiding and honest.

neil-h

You should get that checked out, might be a symptom of something serious.

alcazar

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It is, it's called a classical education...

tony de wonderful

Seeing some police on the streets with full sleeve tats showing on their arms is mind boggling to me, also I saw one female police officer who was about 4' 6" and about 80 lbs soaking wet. Not sure what use she was patrolling the city center?

joz8968

iTrader: (13)

Miniature girl.

Felix.

lol - I'm not the one saying this. Stop merely spinning the argument around. You are the one who's proclaiming it happens everywhere.

and the support doesn't seem to bad - https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/...-and-wales.pdf

Felix.

And here we go, back to the normal rant about speeding.
We have done this several times before - you don't have to 'prove yourself innocent' and we don't 'issue threats'

JackClark

What a ****.

1509joe

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That would be true you don't issue threats two or three of you get together and tell lies that does away with having to issue threats.

Felix.

such as......

1509joe

iTrader: (2)

Exactly what was said.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Felix:
1. I've never said it happens everywhere, just that it's what I, and others, have experienced. You are trying to make out I'm wrong because you haven't experienced it.

I've never seen Australia, so it doeasn't exist? LOL

As for speeding.

You KNOW that you have to incriminate yourself, or face a £1000 fine for not doing so.

And the police DO send out letters stating just that.

It's a fukcing crap system and YOU KNOW IT, so stop trying to defend the indefensible.

alcazar

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yes, sadly, you are.

Felix.

This is another one you keep saying which I don't follow your logic. Were you driving the car or not? If you were, why not just tell the truth. If you were and you want to lie to a court by saying it was not you, do you not think this is bad and deserves some sort of punishment? If you can't remember who was driving, then this forms the basis of your defence under 'due diligence'. You can defend this on the basis that you cannot say who the driver is but there is a particular format to use and you would need to assert that you genuinely cannot say who the driver was after exercising reasonable diligence. Obviously you cannot say something that is not true (ie saying it was you driving when you genuinely can't be sure) as that's a perjury and that carries custody. Or should the fine just go the registered owner?

Felix.

Good, its just when I said its not happening everywhere (ie I haven't seen or done it) you implied that I was lying.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

No, you quite obviously support the money making scam.

Would I be forced so to do for ANY other "crime"? Would I be facing a £1000 fine for remaining silent in ANY other circumstances?

Frankly, no. It's done every day of the week in almost all cases that go to court. Does it carry a £1000 fine there?

if all the above is true, then why does the letter from you lot not say so, yet it DOES contain threats for not responding quickly enough and for not saying/being able to say? They ARE threatening letters demanding money, WHATEVER your lot think.

Of course not....in most cases, no-one should get the fine AS YOU CAN'T PROVE WHO WAS DRIVING, without the legislation that forces us to incriminate ourselves.

You know...a bit like the unsolved murders, robberies, burglaries etc etc Where you can't just send a letter demanding money with menaces.

neil-h

I'd highly recommend you go and look up "perverting the course of justice".

dpb

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cMMN7MDSgRE/hqdefault.jpg

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Why is that, oh establishment man?

Does EVERY criminal who is convicted after pleading not guilty get done for that?

You really are a brown nose aren't you?

neil-h

I thought you didn't stoop to name calling

As for why it's pertinant. You asserted that speeding is the only crime where you can be punished for witholding evidence, now that simply isn't true.

Oh and by the by, having a knowledge of the law isn't brown nosing. It's basic common sense, you'd have thought someone with an anti police chip on their shoulder the size of yours would be well read on the rights and how the law works. Or are you one of those freeman on the land nutters?

alcazar

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Yeah, yeah, whatever you say.

OK perjury is on the list, but tell me another?

And tell me one where you get threatening letters before you HAVE to incriminate yourself?

BTW: "bown nose" isn't name calling, it's a statement of fact

neil-h

You really aren't trying anymore are you?

1509joe

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Police Mmm goes on everywhere. Just one example of how corrupt upstanding citizens they ALL are.


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