Battery technology isnt progressing enough for their plans to be viable. Unless they make hydrogen fuel cells viable we wont be much closer to all electric across europe anytime soon.

 

Presumably they would Have to start levying large road tax also on Luxury Ev hybrids , like Andys

 

theres a few pretty major issues to solve before it become even viable,

1. as said, current power demand is struggling to be coped with, future predictions say there will be a shortfall with current expansion add in a whole heap of cars and you don't have the generation capacity. Only viable source to generate the required amounts is nuclear, but then that goes against the hippies and it takes 10 years + to build them and other than one not many planned.

2. Battery's arn't up to it, they take too long to charge, dont hold enough charge, are expensive to make and dont last long before not holding charge. 5 year service costs £14k because it involves replacing the batterys, can you see people accepting that? Then what do you do with the old ones when they are replaced?

3. charging network isnt out there.

2 and 3 are developing, 1 is a big issue not just for electric cars.

Fobbed off or forgotten about. Right now there's hols all over it in its current state. Its a to fill a legal obligation knowing it will get sacked off, simple as

 

Could there be a form of induction charging from lampposts


wirelessly

 

they have been talking about coils under roads, but given they still havn't electrified the railways i cantg see them managing to do the roads to a level that would solve the problem.

 

in complete fairness most electric cars cost less than £4 to fully charge-your taking more electricity turning the washing machine on than charging your car in the dead of night

reckon you can "recharge" a petrol or diesel in about 8 minutes though and be back on the road pronto-
31 million vehicles in a 600 mile long country will always produce plenty of pollution.,no way around it.
unfortunately whether you like it or not modern economies are built on the goods and services provided by petrol and diesel vehicles end of

 

hmmm the joys of plugging in a soaking wet plug in the pissing rain -or worse still forgetting to plug in for its nightly 8 hour charge! not like you can pop down to duracell for a top up lol
the goverment are already questioning what will happen to massive fuel tax revenues that will be missing from the economy?

i would,nt want to be the party leader who put a zero emission agenda into a manifesto-the green party has how many MPs ?? tough sell that at election time ,whenever it might be

 

There are plenty of ways around it. The bulk of those 31million vehicles don't have to be petrol/diesel powered (could be argued a lot of them don't need to be on the road at all).

 

Can't see it happening, all the super rich oil companies have massive power. I can see petrol running along side electric for many years, but can't see it going for at least 50+.

 

Getting a weeks test drive of the Nissan leaf next month. Got some 100mile journeys planned as well as local commute. There are 8000 charging stations and free rapid charging at any Nissan dealer.

Interesting to see how we get to on

 

How are roads going to upkept with nobody paying road tax

 

The missing revenue would probably be clawed back through road usage tolls.

Simples !

 

Charging will be a problem for millions of people who live in terraced houses or flats.Not to mention all the people who can't park near their house.
How are you going to fix that?

What about multi-car households & more & more people sharing residences due to lack of cheap housing & house ownership costs.Who wants to get up at 2 am because it's your turn to use the charger?

I am not against greener forms of transport but this is the real world.

 

My mates got one, the range is rubbish. Always has to plan routes etc. Fast charging stations knacker the battery over time. He uses his Range Rover more.

 

Everyone will pay road tax, they get everyone on board by offering free road tax. Once electric cars are mass sold that will change. The've done it with low emission cars as they will now pay same tax as a Impreza etc.

 

Road tax or Vehicle Excise Duty just goes into the tax pot it is not used directly for roads infrastructure.

http://www.thetaxguide.co.uk/what-do...x-pay-for.html

But, as has been said, they will start to cane everyone if that revenue stream starts to dry up.

 

Don't quote me... but isn't it something like 70% of what we pay at the pump, TAX... good luck with the economy if that revenue stream dries up.

 

Leccy prices would have to go through the roof , Inc fresh installation service points..

Plus we obviously need buy From eu

 

I priced up a Tesla on a lease yesterday, came in at £2700 a month, so I won't bother

 

Quantify the rang?,. Lowest range I suspect is 100miles between charges. It all depends what you are going to use the car for. it will be local 10-15 mile commute each way.

Now given 98% of all car journey s are below 25 miles and something like 70% are between 1-2 miles(can you believe that). An electric car is perfect.

If you're using a vehicle outside it's design parameters then it won't perform at its best. Like using a normal road car for F1, it can do it but poorly.

 

I do a run from High Wycombe to St Helens twice a month, electric cars need to be able to do this +20% so circa 220 miles (with lights, AC & radio on) before I'd even consider it.

/edit, apparently the S 100D can do 300. . . .

 

So get the new version leaf or jaguar or Tesla s (current,) or volvo. All coming 2018

 

It won't dry up though. The government will just find a way to make up the shortfall elsewhere.

 

so if you have a classic car sell, sell, sell the markets will be in freefall

 

The actual statement was to end sales on of new cars that are non-zero emissions.

Although that's technically impossible anyway...brake dust, fluid leaks that evaporate, rubber deposits getting airborne etc

But anyhoo...that still leave options open for some magic fairy dust exhaust after treatment, or alternative fuel to keep the internal combustion engine soldiering on.


Until then...new petrol engines will have particulate filters (DPFs...without the D), just like their diesel counterparts. Because the governing bodies have only just realised that stratified charge (direct injection) petrols are now producing more soot than the DPF equipped diesels!!!

Take note of that when you buy a new petrol engined car in the near future...http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswa...petrol-engines

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...media-blackout

Interesting to note that Nasa stats show global sea levels have actually fallen for the last 2 years. Funny how this gets very little coverage as it doesn't with the "ice caps are melting, we'll be underwater soon" scaremongers narrative!

By 2040 I expect most cars will be electric, but these developments are always slower than predicted, so wouldn't be surprised if there were still a lot of hybrids with a diesel engine too to generate electricity in the event you can't get to a charger.

 

lol, more climate denial bull****

the original source of the story is here

although it is doing the rounds of the denier blogs (like the bat **** crazy zero hedge site they just cut and paste any old shoite)


https://www.iceagenow.info/sea-levels-are-falling/

the idiot blogger wrote the same crap in 2010 and in 2011

https://www.iceagenow.info/sea-levels-dropped-2010/


i quite like this post in response to the article

"
Holy crap. You just ADMITTED you wrote the same BS story seven years ago in 2010. And when sea levels keep going up for the next seven years, are you going to write this BS story a third time when there’s another irrelevant wiggle in the graph somewhere around 2024"

here is the NASA source that shows ever increasing sea level rises


https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

more science on sea level here

https://sealevel.nasa.gov/

if you want to know why temps/sea level etc don't go up in straight lines here is a great little video


and a great deconstruction of this type of fake news re shrinking ice sheets doing the round on denier websites etc is here



and another superb video that explains the physics of sea level is here


and amazingly you can have melting ice sheets and lower localised sea level - complicated this science ****

remember science is hard conspiracies are easy

 

I reckon he was searching , in vain , for a positive financial spin on brexit .




Finding nothing he thought he'd just lob this one over

 

Suppose the reality is like someone said on the radio. It's just the evolution of travel/vehicle power.

When we were using a horse we never thought horse and carriage.Then we never thought abut a car might be invented and trains. And steam trains never envisiged electric trains etc etc

What I was looking forward to in the future was hover cars though or a James Bond jet pack to get to work

Not a blooming Nissan Leaf

 

I wanted a hover-conversion, a Mr-Fusion reactor, and a commercial plane that could travel faster than Mach 3.

Instead I'm getting a glorified milk float, a plane that travels slower, and a higher probability that I won't need to drive so far to get to the sea