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22 June 2017, 02:16 PM
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Yes, face upto 6 months in prison and deported there after. If they managed to collect any benefits, that is fraud aswell
Siezure of previous earnings is allowed, but I'd expect nigh on impossible to achieve
My letting agent has a duty not to accept any illegal immigrants and report them to the police/border enforcement.
Why were these illegals allowed to rent property?
Siezure of previous earnings is allowed, but I'd expect nigh on impossible to achieve
My letting agent has a duty not to accept any illegal immigrants and report them to the police/border enforcement.
Why were these illegals allowed to rent property?
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22 June 2017, 02:26 PM
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Until very recently fraud was rife and quite easy to get an NI number. How much of a crack down has taken place is speculation. I'd be interested to know if more rigourous checks have had the desired result
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22 June 2017, 09:58 PM
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P.S. In Skiathos at the moment. Took the brother-in-law's boat over to Arkos yesterday, threw the anchor in and pitched ourselves at a rather exclusive little taverna. Sharing the shade with us were the owners of an impressive yacht. Clearly new money, their faux posh accents occasionally betrayed their roots and did so with more regularity as the glasses of wine despatched increased in number. Quite how I bit my tongue I'll never know, but the attitude of these people towards, and I quote, "the lower classes" was nauseating. Oh, and that "bloody grubby lefty" Corbyn would "kill us off". That the working classes would vote to maintain this is, as I said on another thread, absurd.
Fwiw the in-laws made their money in construction. Unashamed, beer swigging, football watching, sweary, working class folk who, in their words, "got lucky". Nothing wrong with getting a break, everything wrong in hating those who didn't.
Fwiw the in-laws made their money in construction. Unashamed, beer swigging, football watching, sweary, working class folk who, in their words, "got lucky". Nothing wrong with getting a break, everything wrong in hating those who didn't.
we go to Greece most summers, an island in the Cyclades
I don't think you can beat it tbh, the people are the most friendly and welcoming I have ever met - not false or forced, just sincere human warmth
the Tavernas on the beach, so so easy and you don't get that daft "beach" tax as in France & Italy
we are gong for three weeks in July/August - with extended family and other friends (we holiday in big numbers) and lots of toys - boats etc
and yes that rabid entitlement is nauseating
23 June 2017, 07:00 AM
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lucky you Greece is magical
we go to Greece most summers, an island in the Cyclades
I don't think you can beat it tbh, the people are the most friendly and welcoming I have ever met - not false or forced, just sincere human warmth
the Tavernas on the beach, so so easy and you don't get that daft "beach" tax as in France & Italy
we are gong for three weeks in July/August - with extended family and other friends (we holiday in big numbers) and lots of toys - boats etc
and yes that rabid entitlement is nauseating
we go to Greece most summers, an island in the Cyclades
I don't think you can beat it tbh, the people are the most friendly and welcoming I have ever met - not false or forced, just sincere human warmth
the Tavernas on the beach, so so easy and you don't get that daft "beach" tax as in France & Italy
we are gong for three weeks in July/August - with extended family and other friends (we holiday in big numbers) and lots of toys - boats etc
and yes that rabid entitlement is nauseating
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23 June 2017, 02:02 PM
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Population growth LAST YEAR! (2015/16) - 538,000 - mostly down to immigration (ONS figures released yesterday)
Number of Social Housing built - 27,120 (latest figures available 2013/14)
You don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out this is beyond unsustainable!
Number of Social Housing built - 27,120 (latest figures available 2013/14)
You don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out this is beyond unsustainable!
23 June 2017, 04:10 PM
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Shouldn't the social housing be reserved for workers ?
id hazard a guess the proportion immigrants in social housing v indigenous is pretty small
id hazard a guess the proportion immigrants in social housing v indigenous is pretty small
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24 June 2017, 07:45 AM
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The next question: is the polystyrene insulation in the fridge flame retardant?
Fridges/freezers shouldn't catch fire. I had one make a fizz and bang (starter attached to compressor got water on it and shorted out, but did so in a "safe" manner - blew the fuse). And one where the capillary tube blocked up just caused the compressor to bang about until the thermal overload kicked in (then repeated every 15mins when it self-reset, again fail-safe).
Unless its a frost free unit...
They DO catch fire, because of the defrost heater element (something that gets very hot sat next to insulation and plastic). Beko were notorious for this.
Surprise surprise I googled the model number and "heater element" is listed as a spare part
Maybe fire standard for home appliances should be looked at as well?
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24 June 2017, 04:39 PM
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The next question: is the polystyrene insulation in the fridge flame retardant?
Fridges/freezers shouldn't catch fire. I had one make a fizz and bang (starter attached to compressor got water on it and shorted out, but did so in a "safe" manner - blew the fuse). And one where the capillary tube blocked up just caused the compressor to bang about until the thermal overload kicked in (then repeated every 15mins when it self-reset, again fail-safe).
Unless its a frost free unit...
They DO catch fire, because of the defrost heater element (something that gets very hot sat next to insulation and plastic). Beko were notorious for this.
Surprise surprise I googled the model number and "heater element" is listed as a spare part
Maybe fire standard for home appliances should be looked at as well?
Fridges/freezers shouldn't catch fire. I had one make a fizz and bang (starter attached to compressor got water on it and shorted out, but did so in a "safe" manner - blew the fuse). And one where the capillary tube blocked up just caused the compressor to bang about until the thermal overload kicked in (then repeated every 15mins when it self-reset, again fail-safe).
Unless its a frost free unit...
They DO catch fire, because of the defrost heater element (something that gets very hot sat next to insulation and plastic). Beko were notorious for this.
Surprise surprise I googled the model number and "heater element" is listed as a spare part
Maybe fire standard for home appliances should be looked at as well?
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No way . Somehow probably gas , has spread through the middle at a guess
got to feel for the displaced , multiple times from one hotel to another
Still least the poor buggers are alive
got to feel for the displaced , multiple times from one hotel to another
Still least the poor buggers are alive
24 June 2017, 05:40 PM
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The Hotpoint fridge issue is still a side issue here. It might have been the source of the fire but it isn't THE reason the tower block was gutted by fire and 79 are missing. THE reason is a failure of the building's fire safety systems, the main one which seems to be the addition of combustible cladding.
To me it's relevant though; I have frost-free freezer in a kitchen full of MDF particle cupboard units (excellent kindle to accelerate a fire).
Pretty certain it was labelled as having Pentane insulation which is highly flammable. So really, it affects every household with these appliances.
It's not like you can turn them off when you leave the house like the Creda/hotpoint dryers catching fire...I have never run a clothes dryer when I'm out the house or in bed for this reason as dryers do have this risk. Difficult to avoid with a fridge or freezer.
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24 June 2017, 06:24 PM
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Is it maybe up to the owner to periodically have them serviced /looked at ?
iv frost free Zanussi (electrolux ) probably 8 years old , no way would I go back to non frost free
iv frost free Zanussi (electrolux ) probably 8 years old , no way would I go back to non frost free
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To me it's relevant though; I have frost-free freezer in a kitchen full of MDF particle cupboard units (excellent kindle to accelerate a fire).
Pretty certain it was labelled as having Pentane insulation which is highly flammable. So really, it affects every household with these appliances.
It's not like you can turn them off when you leave the house like the Creda/hotpoint dryers catching fire...I have never run a clothes dryer when I'm out the house or in bed for this reason as dryers do have this risk. Difficult to avoid with a fridge or freezer.
Pretty certain it was labelled as having Pentane insulation which is highly flammable. So really, it affects every household with these appliances.
It's not like you can turn them off when you leave the house like the Creda/hotpoint dryers catching fire...I have never run a clothes dryer when I'm out the house or in bed for this reason as dryers do have this risk. Difficult to avoid with a fridge or freezer.
26 June 2017, 08:28 PM
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it's odd, the insulation for Grenfell and it seems lots of other tower blocks, RS 5000, ( is it polystyrene?) which I understand is supplied by an Ipswich based firm, Celotex and passed BR135 for buildings above 18metres, is now failing all the tests now being carried out. The company were confident in their product but have now, understandably, withdrawn it. How can a product which, ok was cheaper, but satisfied at least some conscientious scrutiny, they can't all be cowboys or criminals, now be shown completely unfit for purpose?
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27 June 2017, 11:40 AM
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Or, as was suggested in an interview last night they've changed the test to be much more stringent and they now fail the new test..... but nobody seems to be willing to confirm this...
27 June 2017, 01:01 PM
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I am hearing a lot of comment about the shoddy standard of British workmanship. Hundreds of fire doors missing, badly renovated bathrooms leaving access to adjacent flats, boilers not working properly etc etc and of course the bloody cladding f,uck up.
Not once have I heard use of the words "fire extinguisher". I wouldn't dream of living in a property without at least a couple of extinguishers and a fire blanket.
Not once have I heard use of the words "fire extinguisher". I wouldn't dream of living in a property without at least a couple of extinguishers and a fire blanket.
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I am hearing a lot of comment about the shoddy standard of British workmanship. Hundreds of fire doors missing, badly renovated bathrooms leaving access to adjacent flats, boilers not working properly etc etc and of course the bloody cladding f,uck up.
Not once have I heard use of the words "fire extinguisher". I wouldn't dream of living in a property without at least a couple of extinguishers and a fire blanket.
Not once have I heard use of the words "fire extinguisher". I wouldn't dream of living in a property without at least a couple of extinguishers and a fire blanket.
Firstly, the are only use on small fires, secondly, you need training in their proper use, thirdly someone needs to be in the flat to use it.
27 June 2017, 01:32 PM
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it's odd, the insulation for Grenfell and it seems lots of other tower blocks, RS 5000, ( is it polystyrene?) which I understand is supplied by an Ipswich based firm, Celotex and passed BR135 for buildings above 18metres, is now failing all the tests now being carried out. The company were confident in their product but have now, understandably, withdrawn it. How can a product which, ok was cheaper, but satisfied at least some conscientious scrutiny, they can't all be cowboys or criminals, now be shown completely unfit for purpose?
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I fear maybe some of this safety testing or certification is self-regulated or done internally. Or if official/independent, its only carried out on the first batch (a usual trick of Chinese manufacturers whom reduce quality on subsequent batches unbeknown to the wholesaler/importer).
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Sure but the fire safety of the whole building can't rely upon residents fighting fires with their own private fire extinguishers.
Firstly, the are only use on small fires, secondly, you need training in their proper use, thirdly someone needs to be in the flat to use it.
Firstly, the are only use on small fires, secondly, you need training in their proper use, thirdly someone needs to be in the flat to use it.
In my non-expert but common sense opinion the key items are proper fire doors which are checked regularly, alarms that work and perhaps a decent sprinkler system in the main body of the block. And rip the cladding off and have a serious rethink about what, if anything, to replace it with. It would help if the elderly and disabled could be accommodated on the lower floors.
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27 June 2017, 09:28 PM
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In my non-expert but common sense opinion the key items are proper fire doors which are checked regularly, alarms that work and perhaps a decent sprinkler system in the main body of the block. And rip the cladding off and have a serious rethink about what, if anything, to replace it with. It would help if the elderly and disabled could be accommodated on the lower floors.
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I'm often told that concrete structures have excellent thermal properties compared to other construction materials yet these are often the first to be wrapped up in polystyrene during renovation
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I'm wondering if the cladding was really needed. Or was it on the whim to satisfy some environmental/eco target
I'm often told that concrete structures have excellent thermal properties compared to other construction materials yet these are often the first to be wrapped up in polystyrene during renovation
I'm often told that concrete structures have excellent thermal properties compared to other construction materials yet these are often the first to be wrapped up in polystyrene during renovation
For example, the old Hulme Crecents in Manchester were notoriously badly bolted together leaving tons of room for vermin to fester and mold to grow in the gaps.
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Discussing this with an old engineer pal of mine who is currently working in Abu Dhabi. They have an 850 m tower. Lifts travel at 36 km/hr and top floor can sway about 2 metres. Great view, smog permitting.
Regarding fires they have what are called "safe" rooms every few floors so if there is a problem people can lock themselves out of harm's way.
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Regarding fires they have what are called "safe" rooms every few floors so if there is a problem people can lock themselves out of harm's way.
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Disliking this government more and more , May is turning into the iron lady
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Disliking this government more and more , May is turning into the iron lady
Disliking this government more and more , May is turning into the iron lady