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Old 16 May 2017, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by urban
Most road users pay in some shape or fashion to use the road.
Not everything is tax'd. Cycles are exempt as are horses/riders. What is your point?
Old 16 May 2017, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by andy97
A knowledgeable Policeman once describe how to overtake a cyclists, exactly the same way you overtake a horse and rider, slow right down, don't get too close from behind and pass as wide as you can get on the other side slowly until completely passed.

If you cant do this don't overtake at all-wait
I will overtake a cyclist quickly leaving as much room as I would a when overtaking a car and move back in as soon as I can in accordance with Rule 163 of the Highway Code. As an added safety consideration, I will sound my horn before, during and after the overtaking manoeuvre to let the cyclist know I am there.
Old 16 May 2017, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by andy97
Not everything is tax'd. Cycles are exempt as are horses/riders. What is your point?
Doesn't matter, Are you a cyclist?

Originally Posted by jonc
I will sound my horn before, during and after the overtaking manoeuvre to let the cyclist know I am there.
Surprised you don't get a two fingered salute
Old 16 May 2017, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
I will overtake a cyclist quickly leaving as much room as I would a when overtaking a car and move back in as soon as I can in accordance with Rule 163 of the Highway Code. As an added safety consideration, I will sound my horn before, during and after the overtaking manoeuvre to let the cyclist know I am there.
I know what works as being safe and considerate towards cyclists and speeding by bipping horn isn't the course of action I would recommend. Once you've ridden a cycle for a few weeks, this will teach you how frightening a fast overtake can be

Originally Posted by urban
Doesn't matter, Are you a cyclist?



Surprised you don't get a two fingered salute
I do cycle alot, more than I drive a car presently
Old 16 May 2017, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by andy97
I know what works as being safe and considerate towards cyclists and speeding by bipping horn isn't the course of action I would recommend. Once you've ridden a cycle for a few weeks, this will teach you how frightening a fast overtake can be


I do cycle alot, more than I drive a car presently
Yes, as a cyclist you may know what works on the road, but not everyone does or rides as competent as you because, unlike other vehicles, a cyclist doesn't need to pass a competency test to use the road. I don't have a problem with using the horn to make cyclist aware that I'm about to overtake, it's all about safety, much like when cyclists use their bells or shout expletives to warn pedestrians to get out of their way as they speed past.

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Cycling proficiency test , at school ?!

I think its been muted that car driver test should include cycle test .


And its really quite annoying be followed at 3 ' behind for couple hundred yards , accompanied by horn blast just as found bottle to overtake
Old 16 May 2017, 09:38 PM
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Old 16 May 2017, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
Yes, as a cyclist you may know what works on the road, but not everyone does or rides as competent as you because, unlike other vehicles, a cyclist doesn't need to pass a competency test to use the road. I don't have a problem with using the horn to make cyclist aware that I'm about to overtake, it's all about safety, much like when cyclists use their bells or shout expletives to warn pedestrians to get out of their way as they speed past.
Or whizz over pedestrian crossings irrespective of who is on it or what colour the lights are.
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
Or whizz over pedestrian crossings irrespective of who is on it or what colour the lights are.
That's my biggest issue, most cyclists seem to think these things don't apply to them.

However, one redeemed himself this morning. I needed to make a right turn in a business park, I saw a cyclist coming towards me, and waited until he passed (I could have made the turn I might add), he waved in acknowledgement which is a first.

Squeezing between cars and the pavement is another one that winds me up.
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Cyclists are allowed to filter down either side of traffic. Your hangups will get a cyclist killed if you don't learn to accept their rights and presence on the roads.
Old 17 May 2017, 11:27 AM
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I accept their rights and presence, but many do not do anything to help themselves.

And I do not like cyclists squeezing through gaps between cars and pavement, when there is clearly not enough room for them to do so, without touching and potentially damaging said car.

While we're at it, perhaps cyclists should be given a registration number of some sort, so they can be identified for inappropriate behaviour/road use

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There is no need to hog the kerb to hinder cyclists. Cycling is going to be alot more prevalent in town and cities going forward, you need to accept it, get a bike and do all you local journeys by one. I often cycle into my local town, an 18 mile round trip. Burn enough calories to cancel out a meal and feel great for the day

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The cars are not hogging the kerb, they're staying within the lane, and passenger side tyres would be close to the outer double yellow.
Some of the roads are barely wide enough for double lanes each way.
In those cases, there is barely any room from the kerb, the passenger side wheels are touching the inner marking of the double yellow.
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Originally Posted by urban
I accept their rights and presence, but many do not do anything to help themselves.

And I do not like cyclists squeezing through gaps between cars and pavement, when there is clearly not enough room for them to do so, without touching and potentially damaging said car.

While we're at it, perhaps cyclists should be given a registration number of some sort, so they can be identified for inappropriate behaviour/road use
I agree , whilst it maybe legal , its not right sometimes and basically daft esp lorries with wing mirrors 6' in the air.

Both parties should allow a reasonable amount space and the cyclist should never Depend on motorist adopting every law
Old 17 May 2017, 12:08 PM
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As far as I recall from test ( 1986 ? ) proper road position is passenger wheels 1/3 way off curb
Old 17 May 2017, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by urban
While we're at it, perhaps cyclists should be given a registration number of some sort, so they can be identified for inappropriate behaviour/road use
I'm sure all the idiot teens with no jobs off the local council estate will fully sign up to that, while they ride around with no helmets and ignore the highway code.
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Originally Posted by urban
Should cyclists pay some sort of road tax and insurance?
There is no road tax. If you are saying they need to pay to use the road through some other means, well I think we need to extend that to people in villages where there is no pavement and they have to walk down the road, they don't pay for it either.
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Originally Posted by Miniman
I'm sure all the idiot teens with no jobs off the local council estate will fully sign up to that, while they ride around with no helmets and ignore the highway code.
My point exactly.
But.....As a motorist, I've got to watch out for them, and give them loads of room and respect, as they may make sudden changes of direction.
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Miniman we've been down this before. I too live in a village where there is only partial pavement.

The massive benefits of cycling out weigh all the negative attitudes by those who won't willingly​ accept their presence and proliferation
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Originally Posted by urban
My point exactly.
But.....As a motorist, I've got to watch out for them, and give them loads of room and respect, as they may make sudden changes of direction.
That is what you should be doing without complaint. That is the position of a responsible driver of a vehicle which could kill a vulnerable road user. It is your responsibility to ensure you don't injure, come in contact with anything or anyone. If you're haboring a resentment to other road users you should get off the road and onto public transport, because you will kill someone with this attitude.
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Originally Posted by andy97
That is what you should be doing without complaint. That is the position of a responsible driver of a vehicle which could kill a vulnerable road user. It is your responsibility to ensure you don't injure, come in contact with anything or anyone. If you're haboring a resentment to other road users you should get off the road and onto public transport, because you will kill someone with this attitude.
I'm not harbouring any resentment. I'm just making the statement that many cyclists are reckless, and have a stinking attitude also.

I'm the poor little cyclist, I'll do what I want, and you've got to protect me, even if I'm a complete danger, and If I'm behaving like a numpty, there's not a thing you can do about it.
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Most cyclists have a self preservation attitude, because it hurts a great deal to fall off or collide with a solid object. There is a minority who believe they are invisible and those need to be re educated to be safer to others and themselves. I find city riders who are young/male exhibit some of what you describe. If you're doing the up most to protect them, fantastic. They will come a cropper and this will temper their attitude.




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