MAY - Another misjudgement
30 January 2017, 10:29 PM
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App while Obama was in charge the us bombed atleast 5 of the countries that trump has banned. Double standards.
Tbh whf has it got to do with the uk anyway. We need to look closer to home than start petitions about trump.
Petrol is soring in the uk. Not even a mention on the news. Its rose nearly 30p in the last yr while the barrel has plummeted
Tbh whf has it got to do with the uk anyway. We need to look closer to home than start petitions about trump.
Petrol is soring in the uk. Not even a mention on the news. Its rose nearly 30p in the last yr while the barrel has plummeted
30 January 2017, 10:36 PM
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Sorry I was laughing at the hand wringing lefties and lost my way.
No one US president as called themselves "The Leader of The Free World", more misquoted bullsh@t.
Perhaps being muslim and being a native of a radical country (there are far more on the list who still have unfetted access) is like being Irish in the 60/70/80's.
But Obama is to blame.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattves...hoose-n2278021
No one US president as called themselves "The Leader of The Free World", more misquoted bullsh@t.
Perhaps being muslim and being a native of a radical country (there are far more on the list who still have unfetted access) is like being Irish in the 60/70/80's.
But Obama is to blame.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattves...hoose-n2278021
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30 January 2017, 10:57 PM
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Why exactly would these 'controls' not be in place already ??
its a daft stunt ( like we're used to ) , and the short sighted are lapping it up
its a daft stunt ( like we're used to ) , and the short sighted are lapping it up
31 January 2017, 06:38 AM
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Thing is they are in place, it takes months to get a visa if you're from any of the places on the list... as well as quite a few other countries like the one I'm in... Croatia, they have to make an appointment and go to the American Embassy in Zagreb and apply in person... those from the countries on the list are checked out by several agencies as well as having immediate family checked too before any visas are granted.
31 January 2017, 07:34 AM
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I've been through the visa mill ( not me , my girl friend but it feels like me) several times last 5 years when she's needed go see family . She's on travel document .It's just about the most stressful thing ever.
31 January 2017, 09:38 AM
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my question is addressing the point that the US has inadequate vetting of "refugees"
I am simply asking for the evidence
do you or DD have any?
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31 January 2017, 01:19 PM
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What'll be interesting to see is whether Trump can bridge the gap in plunging pop ratings with redneck supporters between raping them of their healthcare and producing car factories for them to work at , with all this hard core immigrant ****e
I somehow doubt it
I somehow doubt it
31 January 2017, 01:31 PM
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like a breath of fresh air as unlike other politicians....
I believe a million or so have signed a petition asking for his invitation to be binned.....
The masses were hoping for their coal / steel / car making jobs back....
God I sound like a rabid Trump fan, not really, but he does seem to be getting things done, and sometimes I wish we had someone with some b0ll0cks to stand up and say these things for the UK too.... how many companies/industries do we have left in the UK now?..... lets put our Country first for once.....
Amen ;o)
31 January 2017, 02:33 PM
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Please note that the original post was not a comment on Trump's policies at home - I have mixed views on those - but simply to say that May had completely misjudged the fuss that will be made when Trump visits UK. That could well lead to Trump sulking and screwing up any embryonic deals that might be in the long pipeline. IMHO it would have been better if she had just hinted at a UK visit once things had settled down in US and, for example, when Buck House had been tarted up. Long grass job. I thought May would be OK but she isn't.
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31 January 2017, 02:40 PM
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Please note that the original post was not a comment on Trump's policies at home - I have mixed views on those - but simply to say that May had completely misjudged the fuss that will be made when Trump visits UK. That could well lead to Trump sulking and screwing up any embryonic deals that might be in the long pipeline. IMHO it would have been better if she had just hinted at a UK visit once things had settled down in US and, for example, when Buck House had been tarted up. Long grass job. I thought May would be OK but she isn't.
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You would prefer Corbyn to be speaking for us then?
31 January 2017, 03:57 PM
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Yes and buck house needs a massive refurb I think
Still better get on with it , that stuff sells well to the Chinese
( Our closest trading partner after Donald now we're out of Europe)
Still better get on with it , that stuff sells well to the Chinese
( Our closest trading partner after Donald now we're out of Europe)
31 January 2017, 05:11 PM
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Absolutely none whatsoever, but imho that's not the point. It's Trump's decision to make and it's not as unreasonable as all the hysteria would suggest.
If the UK decided to ban all immigration from places like Somalia, Yemen etc for 90 days because they felt there was even a 1% chance they could improve the vetting I wouldn't bat an eyelid. Actually they could ban it for a year and I wouldn't mind.
After all we are hardly looking to Somalia or Yemen as a source of highly skilled engineers or scientists are we? These are failed states where barbaric medieval acts like female genital mutilation are routinely carried out.
31 January 2017, 05:29 PM
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These are my views on Corbyn on a recent thread (in which you were posting
)"He's so bad at times that I almost feel sorry for him. But I could never support someone who has been so disloyal to his party. Voting against a few time is acceptable but 500 times
Plus he clearly couldn't organise a p,iss up at a brewery. He is just not "leader" material.
But a lot of what he says is genuine and a lot of citizens would have happier lives if he managed to get to grips with the disgusting gap between rich and poor whilst keeping the economy in reasonable shape. Just wishful thing I'm afraid plus my increasing dislike of May.
Bringing back David Miliband could help."
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31 January 2017, 06:04 PM
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Absolutely none whatsoever, but imho that's not the point. It's Trump's decision to make and it's not as unreasonable as all the hysteria would suggest.
If the UK decided to ban all immigration from places like Somalia, Yemen etc for 90 days because they felt there was even a 1% chance they could improve the vetting I wouldn't bat an eyelid. Actually they could ban it for a year and I wouldn't mind.
After all we are hardly looking to Somalia or Yemen as a source of highly skilled engineers or scientists are we? These are failed states where barbaric medieval acts like female genital mutilation are routinely carried out.
If the UK decided to ban all immigration from places like Somalia, Yemen etc for 90 days because they felt there was even a 1% chance they could improve the vetting I wouldn't bat an eyelid. Actually they could ban it for a year and I wouldn't mind.
After all we are hardly looking to Somalia or Yemen as a source of highly skilled engineers or scientists are we? These are failed states where barbaric medieval acts like female genital mutilation are routinely carried out.
31 January 2017, 06:14 PM
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Absolutely none whatsoever, but imho that's not the point. It's Trump's decision to make and it's not as unreasonable as all the hysteria would suggest.
If the UK decided to ban all immigration from places like Somalia, Yemen etc for 90 days because they felt there was even a 1% chance they could improve the vetting I wouldn't bat an eyelid. Actually they could ban it for a year and I wouldn't mind.
After all we are hardly looking to Somalia or Yemen as a source of highly skilled engineers or scientists are we? These are failed states where barbaric medieval acts like female genital mutilation are routinely carried out.
If the UK decided to ban all immigration from places like Somalia, Yemen etc for 90 days because they felt there was even a 1% chance they could improve the vetting I wouldn't bat an eyelid. Actually they could ban it for a year and I wouldn't mind.
After all we are hardly looking to Somalia or Yemen as a source of highly skilled engineers or scientists are we? These are failed states where barbaric medieval acts like female genital mutilation are routinely carried out.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.39931791485e
31 January 2017, 06:22 PM
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These are my views on Corbyn on a recent thread (in which you were posting )
"He's so bad at times that I almost feel sorry for him. But I could never support someone who has been so disloyal to his party. Voting against a few time is acceptable but 500 times
Plus he clearly couldn't organise a p,iss up at a brewery. He is just not "leader" material.
But a lot of what he says is genuine and a lot of citizens would have happier lives if he managed to get to grips with the disgusting gap between rich and poor whilst keeping the economy in reasonable shape. Just wishful thing I'm afraid plus my increasing dislike of May.
Bringing back David Miliband could help."
David
)"He's so bad at times that I almost feel sorry for him. But I could never support someone who has been so disloyal to his party. Voting against a few time is acceptable but 500 times
Plus he clearly couldn't organise a p,iss up at a brewery. He is just not "leader" material.
But a lot of what he says is genuine and a lot of citizens would have happier lives if he managed to get to grips with the disgusting gap between rich and poor whilst keeping the economy in reasonable shape. Just wishful thing I'm afraid plus my increasing dislike of May.
Bringing back David Miliband could help."
David
How on earth did I miss that? I usually hang on your every word!
31 January 2017, 07:02 PM
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Absolutely none whatsoever, but imho that's not the point. It's Trump's decision to make and it's not as unreasonable as all the hysteria would suggest.
If the UK decided to ban all immigration from places like Somalia, Yemen etc for 90 days because they felt there was even a 1% chance they could improve the vetting I wouldn't bat an eyelid. Actually they could ban it for a year and I wouldn't mind.
After all we are hardly looking to Somalia or Yemen as a source of highly skilled engineers or scientists are we? These are failed states where barbaric medieval acts like female genital mutilation are routinely carried out.
If the UK decided to ban all immigration from places like Somalia, Yemen etc for 90 days because they felt there was even a 1% chance they could improve the vetting I wouldn't bat an eyelid. Actually they could ban it for a year and I wouldn't mind.
After all we are hardly looking to Somalia or Yemen as a source of highly skilled engineers or scientists are we? These are failed states where barbaric medieval acts like female genital mutilation are routinely carried out.
that Trump is entitled to do so is self evident - who says he isn't entitled I am certainly not
you just seem to be stating the obvious
so why do you think it is reasonable?
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31 January 2017, 07:13 PM
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[QUOTE=Dr Hu
Where do we sign the petition to say I agree with Trump? - and I suspect that may get a lot more than a million signatures.....
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There is one. So far it has 130.000 signatures....
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Where do we sign the petition to say I agree with Trump? - and I suspect that may get a lot more than a million signatures.....
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There is one. So far it has 130.000 signatures....
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31 January 2017, 09:13 PM
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Is every point you make backed up by independently verified peer reviewed evidence?
Why do I think it is reasonable? Because that's what Trump said he was going to do and the country elected him. So now I really will state the obvious.....that's called democracy. As imperfect as democracy is we don't have a better system.
And what are the downsides? Very little imo. As I said, countries like Yemen and Somalia are hardly going to provide the US with the next generation of software or green technology innovaters are they?
31 January 2017, 09:21 PM
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I think anyone from anywhere could be the next champion in his field , what ever that maybe . To simply cutoff these places or anywhere because they "all be nogooders" is pretty appalling notion !
31 January 2017, 11:11 PM
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Is every point you make backed up by independently verified peer reviewed evidence?
Why do I think it is reasonable? Because that's what Trump said he was going to do and the country elected him. So now I really will state the obvious.....that's called democracy. As imperfect as democracy is we don't have a better system.
And what are the downsides? Very little imo. As I said, countries like Yemen and Somalia are hardly going to provide the US with the next generation of software or green technology innovaters are they?
Why do I think it is reasonable? Because that's what Trump said he was going to do and the country elected him. So now I really will state the obvious.....that's called democracy. As imperfect as democracy is we don't have a better system.
And what are the downsides? Very little imo. As I said, countries like Yemen and Somalia are hardly going to provide the US with the next generation of software or green technology innovaters are they?
btw Ding, how are you? It's been ages since we conversed.