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20 December 2016, 02:14 PM
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Isn't that the whole point of this thread? A line in the sand was indeed drawn, the IRA and its minions were pardoned, released from jail etc., but it seems this 'forgive and forget' approach doesn't apply to members of the army. And this action is supported by many on here who think the IRA and Isis are actually ok guys while the UK military are just filth to be persecuted at every opportunity.
IS are generally ok kind of guys, yeah right! Tell that to the family of the UK aid worker who's head was removed with a rusty blade, AN AID WORKER FFS!
Freedom fighters bring the fight head on with the occupying force, like the Mujahideen vs Russia, terrorists however kill anything that get in their way and/or don't believe in their idiology including innocent civilians, and don't get me started on the chicken sh#t way they use women and children as human shields
Terrorists are the scum of the earth, end of!
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20 December 2016, 02:38 PM
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Couldn't agree more
IS are generally ok kind of guys, yeah right! Tell that to the family of the UK aid worker who's head was removed with a rusty blade, AN AID WORKER FFS!
Freedom fighters bring the fight head on with the occupying force, like the Mujahideen vs Russia, terrorists however kill anything that get in their way and/or don't believe in their idiology including innocent civilians, and don't get me started on the chicken sh#t way they use women and children as human shields
Terrorists are the scum of the earth, end of!
IS are generally ok kind of guys, yeah right! Tell that to the family of the UK aid worker who's head was removed with a rusty blade, AN AID WORKER FFS!
Freedom fighters bring the fight head on with the occupying force, like the Mujahideen vs Russia, terrorists however kill anything that get in their way and/or don't believe in their idiology including innocent civilians, and don't get me started on the chicken sh#t way they use women and children as human shields
Terrorists are the scum of the earth, end of!
Incidentally, what are your thoughts on Nelson Mandela?
20 December 2016, 02:49 PM
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Financed by the US so what at least they took on the occupying force, I don't think I ever heard of them randomly killing civilians or bombing targets in other countries. I might well be wrong.
Can't beat a bit of Rambo though
20 December 2016, 02:56 PM
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20 December 2016, 03:02 PM
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20 December 2016, 06:10 PM
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You're probably right of course, but at the same time there are definitely some posters here who seem to take a suspiciously enthusiastic pleasure in playing Devil's Advocate whenever the subject of "what drives IS?" comes up, to the point where it's genuinely difficult to tell whether they understand that arguing from the theoretical position of such people doesn't mean you have to agree with that position. With some in fact, I'd even go so far as to say that they're so keen to jump on the anti-Western, anti-American bandwagon that they really have managed to convince themselves that there's some merit to IS's beliefs.
20 December 2016, 06:17 PM
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You're probably right of course, but at the same time there are definitely some posters here who seem to take a suspiciously enthusiastic pleasure in playing Devil's Advocate whenever the subject of "what drives IS?" comes up, to the point where it's genuinely difficult to tell whether they understand that arguing from the theoretical position of such people doesn't mean you have to agree with that position. With some in fact, I'd even go so far as to say that they're so keen to jump on the anti-Western, anti-American bandwagon that they really have managed to convince themselves that there's some merit to IS's beliefs.
20 December 2016, 06:34 PM
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Didnt us brits basically kill of any muslim in the crusades and oppress them for centuries?
We are still opressing the palestinians and until such time as we stop supporting the occupation of palestine and interfering in the middle east there is going to be no respite from groups like IS.
We are still opressing the palestinians and until such time as we stop supporting the occupation of palestine and interfering in the middle east there is going to be no respite from groups like IS.
Terrorist vs Freedom fighter?
20 December 2016, 06:39 PM
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Because it causes hate. Hate causes aggression. Agression demands defence which leads to defensive Jihad...and so the cycle continues. Go and read some Sayyid Qutb.
The very best response to terror is love and forgivensss and this requires understanding. Imagine a world in which the west had turned the other cheek after 9/11. There would be no IS and no grieving families in Germany.
The very best response to terror is love and forgivensss and this requires understanding. Imagine a world in which the west had turned the other cheek after 9/11. There would be no IS and no grieving families in Germany.
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You're probably right of course, but at the same time there are definitely some posters here who seem to take a suspiciously enthusiastic pleasure in playing Devil's Advocate whenever the subject of "what drives IS?" comes up, to the point where it's genuinely difficult to tell whether they understand that arguing from the theoretical position of such people doesn't mean you have to agree with that position. With some in fact, I'd even go so far as to say that they're so keen to jump on the anti-Western, anti-American bandwagon that they really have managed to convince themselves that there's some merit to IS's beliefs.
20 December 2016, 06:54 PM
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Because it causes hate. Hate causes aggression. Agression demands defence which leads to defensive Jihad...and so the cycle continues. Go and read some Sayyid Qutb.
The very best response to terror is love and forgivensss and this requires understanding. Imagine a world in which the west had turned the other cheek after 9/11. There would be no IS and no grieving families in Germany.
The very best response to terror is love and forgivensss and this requires understanding. Imagine a world in which the west had turned the other cheek after 9/11. There would be no IS and no grieving families in Germany.
This really tops the lot. My job involves providing security teams to protect VIPs, journalists, businessmen etc., in hostile environments. I would like to take you to some of these places so you could offer your love and understanding to the local bad guys and see what happens. But perhaps you meant getting someone else to do it.
20 December 2016, 07:02 PM
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The us and uk have created israel displacing the palestinians, thebpalestinians would not need protection if our leaders were not funding israel...
20 December 2016, 07:10 PM
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Sorry - how can you say this when just earlier you have said Paben 'gets carried away'?
You do realise how inflammatory these comments are from people:
'who understand IS' / 'make excuses for their actions' / 'well we did it to them in the crusades' / ' 'one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter' / 'if we had no soldiers this wouldn't happen' etc etc etc
Its all a load of utter bilge from keyboard warriors who like to spout their opinions on the internet, but when challenged they like to say 'its not hard to understand, just think about it'
Yes - a lot of wrong things happened in recent years thanks to Bush / Blair etc, but be careful how far you go in the other direction, unless of course you really do want to be seen as a supporter of IS etc
You do realise how inflammatory these comments are from people:
'who understand IS' / 'make excuses for their actions' / 'well we did it to them in the crusades' / ' 'one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter' / 'if we had no soldiers this wouldn't happen' etc etc etc
Its all a load of utter bilge from keyboard warriors who like to spout their opinions on the internet, but when challenged they like to say 'its not hard to understand, just think about it'
Yes - a lot of wrong things happened in recent years thanks to Bush / Blair etc, but be careful how far you go in the other direction, unless of course you really do want to be seen as a supporter of IS etc
20 December 2016, 08:13 PM
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Sorry - how can you say this when just earlier you have said Paben 'gets carried away'?
You do realise how inflammatory these comments are from people:
'who understand IS' / 'make excuses for their actions' / 'well we did it to them in the crusades' / ' 'one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter' / 'if we had no soldiers this wouldn't happen' etc etc etc
Its all a load of utter bilge from keyboard warriors who like to spout their opinions on the internet, but when challenged they like to say 'its not hard to understand, just think about it'
Yes - a lot of wrong things happened in recent years thanks to Bush / Blair etc, but be careful how far you go in the other direction, unless of course you really do want to be seen as a supporter of IS etc
You do realise how inflammatory these comments are from people:
'who understand IS' / 'make excuses for their actions' / 'well we did it to them in the crusades' / ' 'one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter' / 'if we had no soldiers this wouldn't happen' etc etc etc
Its all a load of utter bilge from keyboard warriors who like to spout their opinions on the internet, but when challenged they like to say 'its not hard to understand, just think about it'
Yes - a lot of wrong things happened in recent years thanks to Bush / Blair etc, but be careful how far you go in the other direction, unless of course you really do want to be seen as a supporter of IS etc
It is about understanding action and reaction and correlating that to how we ended up in this situation....
Unless you look at the situation as a whole you will not understand why this has happened. The uk as ditchy said has poked the bear, stirred the pot and is now reaping what it sowed.
We cannot convert the whole world to the uk way of thinking, especially by bombing the **** out of people and forcing them into it. They will rebel and they will stand up and fight back, which we are seeing now....
It is not bilge, you just obviously arent sentient enough to understand the bigger picture. No one here has condoned or supported their actions, and I doubt anyone would. On the same token the usual muppets on this thread spouting xenophobic bile and demanding blood are what got us into this position to begin with.... The west are the root cause of most of these issues. Bombing them, killing, wives, brothers, children and families directly or indirectly is not going to resolve this.
Vietcong - freedom fighters, repelling foriegn invasion with billions of dollars of high tech equipment with ak47s and bamboo... They could not strike back at the US So adopted a different strategy of geurilla warfare as it is all they had. AQ etc do not have the facilities to directly fight open warfare so will resort to geurilla warfare instead...
20 December 2016, 08:13 PM
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You want talk about holding people accountable
How about tony Blair and all senior advisors re the Iraq invasion
The thousands of innocents murdered
And **** all weapons of mass destruction
Blair and co should be hung from the gallows for an illegal invasion and mass
Genocide
20 December 2016, 08:22 PM
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The British have invaded more countries than enough including America and got put out of 90% of them cause their owners wanted them back. Then they become terrorists in the British eyes but freedom fighters in the eyes of the original owners. Look up the history books. I'm sure most people can name 5 or 6 countries themselves.
20 December 2016, 08:41 PM
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Couldn't agree more
IS are generally ok kind of guys, yeah right! Tell that to the family of the UK aid worker who's head was removed with a rusty blade, AN AID WORKER FFS!
Freedom fighters bring the fight head on with the occupying force, like the Mujahideen vs Russia, terrorists however kill anything that get in their way and/or don't believe in their idiology including innocent civilians, and don't get me started on the chicken sh#t way they use women and children as human shields
Terrorists are the scum of the earth, end of!
IS are generally ok kind of guys, yeah right! Tell that to the family of the UK aid worker who's head was removed with a rusty blade, AN AID WORKER FFS!
Freedom fighters bring the fight head on with the occupying force, like the Mujahideen vs Russia, terrorists however kill anything that get in their way and/or don't believe in their idiology including innocent civilians, and don't get me started on the chicken sh#t way they use women and children as human shields
Terrorists are the scum of the earth, end of!
So Bin Laden was a freedom fighter when the Mujahadeen and him were fighting the russians, but using the same tactics on the US makes him a terrorist.....
So when fighting a good cause in your point of view, freedom fighter.
When you disagree with it. Terrorist.
I hope I am not the only one who noticed the irony of this post...
20 December 2016, 09:07 PM
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The British have invaded more countries than enough including America and got put out of 90% of them cause their owners wanted them back. Then they become terrorists in the British eyes but freedom fighters in the eyes of the original owners. Look up the history books. I'm sure most people can name 5 or 6 countries themselves.
20 December 2016, 10:04 PM
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LOL.
It is about understanding action and reaction and correlating that to how we ended up in this situation....
Unless you look at the situation as a whole you will not understand why this has happened. The uk as ditchy said has poked the bear, stirred the pot and is now reaping what it sowed.
We cannot convert the whole world to the uk way of thinking, especially by bombing the **** out of people and forcing them into it. They will rebel and they will stand up and fight back, which we are seeing now....
It is not bilge, you just obviously arent sentient enough to understand the bigger picture. No one here has condoned or supported their actions, and I doubt anyone would. On the same token the usual muppets on this thread spouting xenophobic bile and demanding blood are what got us into this position to begin with.... The west are the root cause of most of these issues. Bombing them, killing, wives, brothers, children and families directly or indirectly is not going to resolve this.
Vietcong - freedom fighters, repelling foriegn invasion with billions of dollars of high tech equipment with ak47s and bamboo... They could not strike back at the US So adopted a different strategy of geurilla warfare as it is all they had. AQ etc do not have the facilities to directly fight open warfare so will resort to geurilla warfare instead...
It is about understanding action and reaction and correlating that to how we ended up in this situation....
Unless you look at the situation as a whole you will not understand why this has happened. The uk as ditchy said has poked the bear, stirred the pot and is now reaping what it sowed.
We cannot convert the whole world to the uk way of thinking, especially by bombing the **** out of people and forcing them into it. They will rebel and they will stand up and fight back, which we are seeing now....
It is not bilge, you just obviously arent sentient enough to understand the bigger picture. No one here has condoned or supported their actions, and I doubt anyone would. On the same token the usual muppets on this thread spouting xenophobic bile and demanding blood are what got us into this position to begin with.... The west are the root cause of most of these issues. Bombing them, killing, wives, brothers, children and families directly or indirectly is not going to resolve this.
Vietcong - freedom fighters, repelling foriegn invasion with billions of dollars of high tech equipment with ak47s and bamboo... They could not strike back at the US So adopted a different strategy of geurilla warfare as it is all they had. AQ etc do not have the facilities to directly fight open warfare so will resort to geurilla warfare instead...
P.s, the Germans now think that they arrested the wrong guy.
20 December 2016, 10:23 PM
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This made me actually stifle a laugh. How can you be so wrong?
So Bin Laden was a freedom fighter when the Mujahadeen and him were fighting the russians, but using the same tactics on the US makes him a terrorist.....
So when fighting a good cause in your point of view, freedom fighter.
When you disagree with it. Terrorist.
I hope I am not the only one who noticed the irony of this post...
So Bin Laden was a freedom fighter when the Mujahadeen and him were fighting the russians, but using the same tactics on the US makes him a terrorist.....
So when fighting a good cause in your point of view, freedom fighter.
When you disagree with it. Terrorist.
I hope I am not the only one who noticed the irony of this post...
20 December 2016, 10:24 PM
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http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...-1918-to-1948/
But we digress as all good SN threads tend to do.
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20 December 2016, 11:08 PM
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This one was prosecuted after Truth and Reconciliation
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sa...0L30H520150130
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sa...0L30H520150130
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21 December 2016, 12:48 AM
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Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any more stupid... you go and totally redeem yourself!
21 December 2016, 01:01 AM
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No one here is making excuses for them, just a few pointing out to alot of the more blinkered, slower, xenephobic members the other side of the story.
You are obviously too morally outraged to be able to comprehend both sides of the story in a considered and sensible manner so maybe you ought to refrain from posting any further?
We have already had racist comments here about whole nations of which the majority of people are not terrorists by Wurzel and the likes....
21 December 2016, 07:36 AM
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You are obviously too morally outraged to be able to comprehend both sides of the story in a considered and sensible manner so maybe you ought to refrain from posting any further?
We have already had racist comments here about whole nations of which the majority of people are not terrorists by Wurzel and the likes....
21 December 2016, 09:09 AM
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Really? You've just spent most of the last three pages of this thread explaining how if the UK hadn't done this and the US hadn't done that, some nutter wouldn't have driven an HGV through a crowd of shoppers in the capital city of GERMANY, but you're not making excuses for them?
Seriously, moral outrage? What planet are you on?
You've heard nothing of the kind from me, so I'll make my "cheap point" again, but a slightly different way. How vile and cowardly an atrocity on the part of IS or similar would it take exactly for you not to feel compelled to come on here and "put their side of the story", if a discussion on the subject came up?
Seriously, moral outrage? What planet are you on?
You've heard nothing of the kind from me, so I'll make my "cheap point" again, but a slightly different way. How vile and cowardly an atrocity on the part of IS or similar would it take exactly for you not to feel compelled to come on here and "put their side of the story", if a discussion on the subject came up?