Couldn't agree more

IS are generally ok kind of guys, yeah right! Tell that to the family of the UK aid worker who's head was removed with a rusty blade, AN AID WORKER FFS!

Freedom fighters bring the fight head on with the occupying force, like the Mujahideen vs Russia, terrorists however kill anything that get in their way and/or don't believe in their idiology including innocent civilians, and don't get me started on the chicken sh#t way they use women and children as human shields

Terrorists are the scum of the earth, end of!

 

Lol. You've been watching Rambo III. OBL was Mujahideen and financed by the US.

Incidentally, what are your thoughts on Nelson Mandela?

 

Nelson, never really looked into his past, but his wife was a piece of work I believe

Financed by the US so what at least they took on the occupying force, I don't think I ever heard of them randomly killing civilians or bombing targets in other countries. I might well be wrong.

Can't beat a bit of Rambo though

 

It's not, he's just overreacting because he is/was in the forces and doesn't like the fact that not everyone blindly supports them.

 

Nice enough guy, Paben, but gets a bit carried away.

 

You're probably right of course, but at the same time there are definitely some posters here who seem to take a suspiciously enthusiastic pleasure in playing Devil's Advocate whenever the subject of "what drives IS?" comes up, to the point where it's genuinely difficult to tell whether they understand that arguing from the theoretical position of such people doesn't mean you have to agree with that position. With some in fact, I'd even go so far as to say that they're so keen to jump on the anti-Western, anti-American bandwagon that they really have managed to convince themselves that there's some merit to IS's beliefs.

 

Or any other terrorist organisation

 

How do you define terrorist.

 

Check your history on what the Isreali's did to the British soldiers protecting the Palestinians from 1946 onwards.
Terrorist vs Freedom fighter?

 

An eye for an eye - more religious moronic sh*te.

 

Matthew 5:38-48. Try reading and understanding, it will make you less angry.

 

I hear you.

 

This really tops the lot. My job involves providing security teams to protect VIPs, journalists, businessmen etc., in hostile environments. I would like to take you to some of these places so you could offer your love and understanding to the local bad guys and see what happens. But perhaps you meant getting someone else to do it.

 

Check what history exactly?

The us and uk have created israel displacing the palestinians, thebpalestinians would not need protection if our leaders were not funding israel...

 

Sorry - how can you say this when just earlier you have said Paben 'gets carried away'?

You do realise how inflammatory these comments are from people:
'who understand IS' / 'make excuses for their actions' / 'well we did it to them in the crusades' / ' 'one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter' / 'if we had no soldiers this wouldn't happen' etc etc etc

Its all a load of utter bilge from keyboard warriors who like to spout their opinions on the internet, but when challenged they like to say 'its not hard to understand, just think about it'

Yes - a lot of wrong things happened in recent years thanks to Bush / Blair etc, but be careful how far you go in the other direction, unless of course you really do want to be seen as a supporter of IS etc

 

LOL.

It is about understanding action and reaction and correlating that to how we ended up in this situation....

Unless you look at the situation as a whole you will not understand why this has happened. The uk as ditchy said has poked the bear, stirred the pot and is now reaping what it sowed.

We cannot convert the whole world to the uk way of thinking, especially by bombing the **** out of people and forcing them into it. They will rebel and they will stand up and fight back, which we are seeing now....

It is not bilge, you just obviously arent sentient enough to understand the bigger picture. No one here has condoned or supported their actions, and I doubt anyone would. On the same token the usual muppets on this thread spouting xenophobic bile and demanding blood are what got us into this position to begin with.... The west are the root cause of most of these issues. Bombing them, killing, wives, brothers, children and families directly or indirectly is not going to resolve this.

Vietcong - freedom fighters, repelling foriegn invasion with billions of dollars of high tech equipment with ak47s and bamboo... They could not strike back at the US So adopted a different strategy of geurilla warfare as it is all they had. AQ etc do not have the facilities to directly fight open warfare so will resort to geurilla warfare instead...

 

Yup the brits like the Americans can't mind they're own business
You want talk about holding people accountable
How about tony Blair and all senior advisors re the Iraq invasion
The thousands of innocents murdered
And **** all weapons of mass destruction
Blair and co should be hung from the gallows for an illegal invasion and mass
Genocide

 

The British have invaded more countries than enough including America and got put out of 90% of them cause their owners wanted them back. Then they become terrorists in the British eyes but freedom fighters in the eyes of the original owners. Look up the history books. I'm sure most people can name 5 or 6 countries themselves.

 

This made me actually stifle a laugh. How can you be so wrong?

So Bin Laden was a freedom fighter when the Mujahadeen and him were fighting the russians, but using the same tactics on the US makes him a terrorist.....

So when fighting a good cause in your point of view, freedom fighter.

When you disagree with it. Terrorist.

I hope I am not the only one who noticed the irony of this post...

 

100 percent how dare the natives fight for they're land against murdering invaders. Terrorists the whole lot of them

 

spot on, we might not like the methods they use but they do what they do because it's their only way of hitting back at us, also let's not forget these people were trained by UK and USA originally.
P.s, the Germans now think that they arrested the wrong guy.

 

Why don't you just come right out and say it. There's no atrocity vile or cowardly enough that it might cause you to pause for a second before continuing to make the excuses you do for IS and the like who commit them. It would save us all a lot of time.

 

Two sides to each story. And the wonderful UN helped fuel the fire by allowing Isreal to be created. The British did not recognise Isreal as a nation in the beginning.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...-1918-to-1948/

But we digress as all good SN threads tend to do.

 

This one was prosecuted after Truth and Reconciliation

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sa...0L30H520150130

 

What else did you expect from the misguided, egotistical bore?

 

Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any more stupid... you go and totally redeem yourself!

 

I dont and I doubt anyone here condones or supports them. So save your mental gymnastics and cheap points scoring.

No one here is making excuses for them, just a few pointing out to alot of the more blinkered, slower, xenephobic members the other side of the story.

You are obviously too morally outraged to be able to comprehend both sides of the story in a considered and sensible manner so maybe you ought to refrain from posting any further?

We have already had racist comments here about whole nations of which the majority of people are not terrorists by Wurzel and the likes....

 

Really? You've just spent most of the last three pages of this thread explaining how if the UK hadn't done this and the US hadn't done that, some nutter wouldn't have driven an HGV through a crowd of shoppers in the capital city of GERMANY, but you're not making excuses for them?

Seriously, moral outrage? What planet are you on?

You've heard nothing of the kind from me, so I'll make my "cheap point" again, but a slightly different way. How vile and cowardly an atrocity on the part of IS or similar would it take exactly for you not to feel compelled to come on here and "put their side of the story", if a discussion on the subject came up?

 

Ha ha

Gotta love SN.

From IRA terrorists onto IS, and straight into an Iraq right or wrong debate

 

Quite. There's a difference between understanding a thing and justifying it.