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20 December 2016, 09:39 AM
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20 December 2016, 10:26 AM
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And you have absolutely no understanding of IS and their ideology if you think they are freedom fighters
Those calling terrorists freedom fighters and trying to be philosophical are just trying to look clever when in fact all it does is make you look an utter tool. There is no defence of any act of terror.
Perhaps you want to explain your thoughts on them being freedom fighters and them having a reason for what they do to those families who have just lost loved ones in Berlin and see how well it goes down
20 December 2016, 10:34 AM
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And you have absolutely no understanding of IS and their ideology if you think they are freedom fighters
Those calling terrorists freedom fighters and trying to be philosophical are just trying to look clever when in fact all it does is make you look an utter tool. There is no defence of any act of terror.
Perhaps you want to explain your thoughts on them being freedom fighters and them having a reason for what they do to those families who have just lost loved ones in Berlin and see how well it goes down
Those calling terrorists freedom fighters and trying to be philosophical are just trying to look clever when in fact all it does is make you look an utter tool. There is no defence of any act of terror.
Perhaps you want to explain your thoughts on them being freedom fighters and them having a reason for what they do to those families who have just lost loved ones in Berlin and see how well it goes down
To IS WE are the terrorists and they are fighting foriegn invaders....
We are not saying that they are freedom fighters, we are pointing out the only difference is your perspective. To us they are terrorists, to them we are terrorists.
Maybe you need to watch the film "the kingdom" especially the last scenes...
20 December 2016, 10:37 AM
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And you have absolutely no understanding of IS and their ideology if you think they are freedom fighters
Those calling terrorists freedom fighters and trying to be philosophical are just trying to look clever when in fact all it does is make you look an utter tool. There is no defence of any act of terror.
Perhaps you want to explain your thoughts on them being freedom fighters and them having a reason for what they do to those families who have just lost loved ones in Berlin and see how well it goes down
Those calling terrorists freedom fighters and trying to be philosophical are just trying to look clever when in fact all it does is make you look an utter tool. There is no defence of any act of terror.
Perhaps you want to explain your thoughts on them being freedom fighters and them having a reason for what they do to those families who have just lost loved ones in Berlin and see how well it goes down
The very best response to terror is love and forgivensss and this requires understanding. Imagine a world in which the west had turned the other cheek after 9/11. There would be no IS and no grieving families in Germany.
20 December 2016, 10:38 AM
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You are off your head...
To IS WE are the terrorists and they are fighting foriegn invaders....
We are not saying that they are freedom fighters, we are pointing out the only difference is your perspective. To us they are terrorists, to them we are terrorists.
Maybe you need to watch the film "the kingdom" especially the last scenes...
To IS WE are the terrorists and they are fighting foriegn invaders....
We are not saying that they are freedom fighters, we are pointing out the only difference is your perspective. To us they are terrorists, to them we are terrorists.
Maybe you need to watch the film "the kingdom" especially the last scenes...
20 December 2016, 10:43 AM
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Because it causes hate. Hate causes aggression. Agression demands defence which leads to defensive Jihad...and so the cycle continues. Go and read some Sayyid Qutb.
The very best response to terror is love and forgivensss and this requires understanding. Imagine a world in which the west had turned the other cheek after 9/11. There would be no IS and no grieving families in Germany.
The very best response to terror is love and forgivensss and this requires understanding. Imagine a world in which the west had turned the other cheek after 9/11. There would be no IS and no grieving families in Germany.
20 December 2016, 10:44 AM
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You are off your head...
To IS WE are the terrorists and they are fighting foriegn invaders....
We are not saying that they are freedom fighters, we are pointing out the only difference is your perspective. To us they are terrorists, to them we are terrorists.
Maybe you need to watch the film "the kingdom" especially the last scenes...
To IS WE are the terrorists and they are fighting foriegn invaders....
We are not saying that they are freedom fighters, we are pointing out the only difference is your perspective. To us they are terrorists, to them we are terrorists.
Maybe you need to watch the film "the kingdom" especially the last scenes...
I suggest you go and read about what IS is about, their ideology of a caliphate and their 'brand' of Islam.
They are nothing to do with Al Qaeda any more (they originated from Al Qaeda in the Levant) and are all about spreading and enforcing the most extreme perspective of the Quran and creating their dream caliphate across the middle east. Anyone who falls into the control of IS no matter their nationality or beliefs will be killed if they do not agree to obey the version of Islam being enforced by IS. It is absolutely nothing to do with freedom fighting.
IS and Al Qaeda/The Taliban are absolutely 2 different ends of the stick.
20 December 2016, 10:45 AM
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We are still opressing the palestinians and until such time as we stop supporting the occupation of palestine and interfering in the middle east there is going to be no respite from groups like IS.
20 December 2016, 10:47 AM
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No, just no. That is not what IS are about. It doesn't matter to them if you are US or Syrian or Iraqi or any other nationality because it is nothing about invaders with them
I suggest you go and read about what IS is about, their ideology of a caliphate and their 'brand' of Islam.
They are nothing to do with Al Qaeda any more (they originated from Al Qaeda in the Levant) and are all about spreading and enforcing the most extreme perspective of the Quran and creating their dream caliphate across the middle east. Anyone who falls into the control of IS no matter their nationality or beliefs will be killed if they do not agree to obey the version of Islam being enforced by IS. It is absolutely nothing to do with freedom fighting.
IS and Al Qaeda/The Taliban are absolutely 2 different ends of the stick.
I suggest you go and read about what IS is about, their ideology of a caliphate and their 'brand' of Islam.
They are nothing to do with Al Qaeda any more (they originated from Al Qaeda in the Levant) and are all about spreading and enforcing the most extreme perspective of the Quran and creating their dream caliphate across the middle east. Anyone who falls into the control of IS no matter their nationality or beliefs will be killed if they do not agree to obey the version of Islam being enforced by IS. It is absolutely nothing to do with freedom fighting.
IS and Al Qaeda/The Taliban are absolutely 2 different ends of the stick.
20 December 2016, 10:47 AM
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No, just no. That is not what IS are about. It doesn't matter to them if you are US or Syrian or Iraqi or any other nationality because it is nothing about invaders with them
I suggest you go and read about what IS is about, their ideology of a caliphate and their 'brand' of Islam.
They are nothing to do with Al Qaeda any more (they originated from Al Qaeda in the Levant) and are all about spreading and enforcing the most extreme perspective of the Quran and creating their dream caliphate across the middle east. Anyone who falls into the control of IS no matter their nationality or beliefs will be killed if they do not agree to obey the version of Islam being enforced by IS. It is absolutely nothing to do with freedom fighting.
IS and Al Qaeda/The Taliban are absolutely 2 different ends of the stick.
I suggest you go and read about what IS is about, their ideology of a caliphate and their 'brand' of Islam.
They are nothing to do with Al Qaeda any more (they originated from Al Qaeda in the Levant) and are all about spreading and enforcing the most extreme perspective of the Quran and creating their dream caliphate across the middle east. Anyone who falls into the control of IS no matter their nationality or beliefs will be killed if they do not agree to obey the version of Islam being enforced by IS. It is absolutely nothing to do with freedom fighting.
IS and Al Qaeda/The Taliban are absolutely 2 different ends of the stick.
20 December 2016, 10:49 AM
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So you accept then they are nothing to do with fighting foreign invaders then. They cannot in any way be freedom fighters. We are getting somewhere.
20 December 2016, 10:53 AM
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no it just shows you are not capable of understanding simple concepts...
WE created this mess. Saddam hussein, gaza, assad etc....
All messes created by uk and us goverments which have allowed a vaccuum of power in the region to allow groups like IS to thrive.
Saddam may have been a very nasty man, but he kept people like IS at bay through fear, until we decided we need to remove him. With no army, infrastructure or money to deal with threats like IS and the uk and us' apparent withdrawl with no support for the local forces have allowed this ideology to take hold.
For so many to be taking part and joining IS they must have some credibility in the region. They cant capture half the country with no soilders and no funds.
By us attacking them, killing their women and children etc. We are terrorists in their eyes...
20 December 2016, 10:55 AM
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If you research the question I posed you'll realise why your statements are wrong. There is a theological issue in play that you don't grasp.
20 December 2016, 10:55 AM
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we are impinging their freedom to set up their caliphate as they wish. Ergo we are terrorists to them and they are fighting to defend their caliphate and freedom from thebopressive ways of the west....
20 December 2016, 11:00 AM
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20 December 2016, 11:07 AM
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20 December 2016, 11:32 AM
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no it just shows you are not capable of understanding simple concepts...
WE created this mess. Saddam hussein, gaza, assad etc....
All messes created by uk and us goverments which have allowed a vaccuum of power in the region to allow groups like IS to thrive.
Saddam may have been a very nasty man, but he kept people like IS at bay through fear, until we decided we need to remove him. With no army, infrastructure or money to deal with threats like IS and the uk and us' apparent withdrawl with no support for the local forces have allowed this ideology to take hold.
For so many to be taking part and joining IS they must have some credibility in the region. They cant capture half the country with no soilders and no funds.
By us attacking them, killing their women and children etc. We are terrorists in their eyes...
WE created this mess. Saddam hussein, gaza, assad etc....
All messes created by uk and us goverments which have allowed a vaccuum of power in the region to allow groups like IS to thrive.
Saddam may have been a very nasty man, but he kept people like IS at bay through fear, until we decided we need to remove him. With no army, infrastructure or money to deal with threats like IS and the uk and us' apparent withdrawl with no support for the local forces have allowed this ideology to take hold.
For so many to be taking part and joining IS they must have some credibility in the region. They cant capture half the country with no soilders and no funds.
By us attacking them, killing their women and children etc. We are terrorists in their eyes...
20 December 2016, 12:50 PM
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It really shouldnt be that difficult to grasp this concept....
20 December 2016, 01:24 PM
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Isn't that the whole point of this thread? A line in the sand was indeed drawn, the IRA and its minions were pardoned, released from jail etc., but it seems this 'forgive and forget' approach doesn't apply to members of the army. And this action is supported by many on here who think the IRA and Isis are actually ok guys while the UK military are just filth to be persecuted at every opportunity.
20 December 2016, 01:34 PM
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Isn't that the whole point of this thread? A line in the sand was indeed drawn, the IRA and its minions were pardoned, released from jail etc., but it seems this 'forgive and forget' approach doesn't apply to members of the army. And this action is supported by many on here who think the IRA and Isis are actually ok guys while the UK military are just filth to be persecuted at every opportunity.
20 December 2016, 02:02 PM
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