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Old 18 December 2016, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Peedee
You do when you make sweeping generalisations like "hood winking young men into believing they are a force for good"
sure, but does it really alter the substantive point
Old 18 December 2016, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
sure, but does it really alter the substantive point
No, so why even make it in the first place? That's my point.
Old 18 December 2016, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RAGGY DOO
You seem to forget your history
The atrocities committed by the British on our island for 400 years
Stole murdered raped and pillaged , starved us in the name of your king and queen
Excuse me if I don't give a flying **** about your paras
Romans did that in Britain years ago - but we don't hate the modern day Italians for it!
What happened 400 years ago (or 50 for that matter) - is not really relevant today.
If it was - then McGuiness and Adams should also be put on trial for their past.
Old 18 December 2016, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
you don't have to have served in the armed forces to understand Ditch's point

being that right / just etc are just subjective terms based on your side of the trench

if that wasn't so then Syria / Yemen would be easy to solve

just pick the "right" side, the just side - but we know its not that easy

like most things it is quite complicated
Just war theory.
Old 18 December 2016, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Just war theory.
Expand JT

Edited to add - just googled the term and looking into it

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Old 18 December 2016, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by steve05wrx
Romans did that in Britain years ago - but we don't hate the modern day Italians for it!
What happened 400 years ago (or 50 for that matter) - is not really relevant today.
If it was - then McGuiness and Adams should also be put on trial for their past.
freedom fighter or terrorist? Depends on what side you are on
Old 18 December 2016, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JGlanzaV
freedom fighter or terrorist? Depends on what side you are on
So do you (and others on here with the same mentality) apply that same logic to Islamic State?
Old 18 December 2016, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by An0n0m0us
So do you (and others on here with the same mentality) apply that same logic to Islamic State?
Yes.

They cant ALL be nut jobs...
Old 19 December 2016, 07:57 AM
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Old 19 December 2016, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by An0n0m0us
So do you (and others on here with the same mentality) apply that same logic to Islamic State?
It's called empathy.
Old 19 December 2016, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
It's called empathy.

It's incredible that anyone could express such a view even on Scoobynet. The scum of the IRA deserve rights denied to British soldiers, and now it seems Isis just lacks our understanding. FFS!
Old 19 December 2016, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
It's called empathy.
No, it's called utter stupidity.
Old 19 December 2016, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
It's called empathy.
You empathise with IS?
Old 19 December 2016, 10:08 AM
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It just shows what a good job the system has done on some people, that they don't even recognise or are not even willing to entertain the possibility that they may be in the wrong, truly is no different to the so called religious nut jobs, but yet again, I don't expect them to be able to see it.
Old 19 December 2016, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
It just shows what a good job the system has done on some people, that they don't even recognise or are not even willing to entertain the possibility that they may be in the wrong, truly is no different to the so called religious nut jobs, but yet again, I don't expect them to be able to see it.
What that IS might not be terrorists and that they are murdering children and adults at will? You deny that's happening do you and that it is all propaganda?

And so called religious nut jobs, so you deny they exist as well?

It is your denial of the truth that is worrying and I think it might be you who is actually in the wrong but of course that could never be the case could it?!

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Old 19 December 2016, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Paben
I wonder why the Northern Ireland PPS is prosecuting two Paras who allegedly murdered an IRA man in 1972, while the murders of 185 soldiers in 'the Troubles' will not even be investigated. It could be something to do with the fact that the PPS is headed by a lawyer who used to work for Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness. We certainly know how to treat our soldiers.
It gets worse.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...d=tmg_share_fb
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
It just shows what a good job the system has done on some people, that they don't even recognise or are not even willing to entertain the possibility that they may be in the wrong, truly is no different to the so called religious nut jobs, but yet again, I don't expect them to be able to see it.
Will any of these "innocent" mourners be prosecuted?
Old 19 December 2016, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by An0n0m0us
No, it's called utter stupidity.
Originally Posted by Paben
It's incredible that anyone could express such a view even on Scoobynet. The scum of the IRA deserve rights denied to British soldiers, and now it seems Isis just lacks our understanding. FFS!
If the two of you struggle with the notion that the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is perspective then quite frankly this discussion isn't worth continuing.

Originally Posted by JTaylor
You empathise with IS?
I can understand why they exist and carry out the actions that they do.
Old 19 December 2016, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
If the two of you struggle with the notion that the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is perspective then quite frankly this discussion isn't worth continuing.



I can understand why they exist and carry out the actions that they do.
Mandela and Castro were both freedom fighters/terrorists. And the point you are making is?
Old 19 December 2016, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by An0n0m0us
What that IS might not be terrorists and that they are murdering children and adults at will? You deny that's happening do you and that it is all propaganda?

And so called religious nut jobs, so you deny they exist as well?

It is your denial of the truth that is worrying and I think it might be you who is actually in the wrong but of course that could never be the case could it?!
see now what you've done there is just come up with an opinion and attribute it to me as though it's something I've said, when in fact I've said none of that. Please show me where I said it's not happening.
Now this is typical behaviour of a well conditioned person, jump to what erks them and attribute it to the opposition as opposed to taking the time to process and understand the reality. Yet again you display the tendencies of those you call your enemies.
One of the statistics of the Iraq war is that allied forces killed more civilians during that war than Saddam did during his time. Not sure on exact numbers as I'm on my phone so can't look into it.
Like I said we say sorry so that makes it OK right.
Old 19 December 2016, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
Mandela and Castro were both freedom fighters/terrorists. And the point you are making is?
It was a discussion of the merits of the statement "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter" and An0n0m0us assertion that the statement is "stupidity".
Old 19 December 2016, 11:24 AM
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The UK and members of the coalition make weapons, sell them to these countries, train their soldier's, stir the pot and sit back and wait for it to kick off, then the inevitable happens we deny responsibility and send in the hero's.

Remember that bear.
Old 19 December 2016, 11:27 AM
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You only need to look at the news today about Saudi using British made cluster bombs for the evidence, but hey Saudi is an Allie and they're all right so no worries.
Old 19 December 2016, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
If the two of you struggle with the notion that the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is perspective then quite frankly this discussion isn't worth continuing.



I can understand why they exist and carry out the actions that they do.

A Pythonesque view of terrorists: 'After all we should remember that a murderer is only an extroverted suicide.' I just hope neither you nor your family find yourselves on the wrong end of terrorist action; it might just alter your perspective slightly.
Old 19 December 2016, 11:32 AM
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The problem came when they all made friends and the USSR, Germany et all cold war ended and we needed a new bad guy, no money in peace.
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Originally Posted by neil-h
I can understand why they exist and carry out the actions that they do.
Well that's quite different, Neil. I'd be cautious declaring empathy for an organisation whose actions have been classed as extreme by Al-Qaeda.
Old 19 December 2016, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Well that's quite different, Neil. I'd be cautious declaring empathy for an organisation whose actions have been classed as extreme by Al-Qaeda.

Ah, well that's OK then. For instance their attack on the World Trade Centre showed Al Qaeda to be quite different to Isis, vicious but fair.
Old 19 December 2016, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Well that's quite different, Neil. I'd be cautious declaring empathy for an organisation whose actions have been classed as extreme by Al-Qaeda.
Is it, really?!?!

Neil can understand why they exist and carry out the actions that they do..... honestly this is unreal.

SN seems to have a vocal number of anti-establishment / conspiracy theorist / terrorist sympathisers.

Wow
Old 19 December 2016, 12:23 PM
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Nothing like a bit of labeling to discredit free thinking people.😉
Old 19 December 2016, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobypaul_temp
Is it, really?!?!

Neil can understand why they exist and carry out the actions that they do..... honestly this is unreal.

SN seems to have a vocal number of anti-establishment / conspiracy theorist / terrorist sympathisers.

Wow
Calm down. I understand terrorism, too. Don't lose objectivity in the face of horror, you'll only hand power to the ministers of that horror.



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