Things bug you about selling.
03 December 2016, 01:46 PM
#33
It's the principle of it over the value.
If you ordered a car to be delivered and paid £300 only to find out the transporter had charged the dealer £100, you'd be mighty annoyed.
Legally they can probably do it, £200 for the dealers time in making that phone call.
Profits are expected against items, that's how sales work, you buy it for one price sell it for more, you don't then add on more than twice the cost of delivery and pocket it.
If you ordered a car to be delivered and paid £300 only to find out the transporter had charged the dealer £100, you'd be mighty annoyed.
Legally they can probably do it, £200 for the dealers time in making that phone call.
Profits are expected against items, that's how sales work, you buy it for one price sell it for more, you don't then add on more than twice the cost of delivery and pocket it.
03 December 2016, 01:48 PM
#34
Originally Posted by JTaylor
I don't think I've ever seen Joz lose his rag! Lol! 
I haven't.
Calm as a sleeping hamster, here. Laid across my sofa, iPhone in hand, all slob-like.
LOL
I just can't (usually) be arsed with cyber 'arguments'...as they are ultimately futile.
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03 December 2016, 01:57 PM
#35
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JGlanzaV. It's about trust. Old dears trust the door to door salesmen who try to flog them a £1000 product for £4000. Caveat emptor? That's what the confidence tricksters always spout! What Joz and Pimmo are describing is unscrupulous and sharp practice and whilst it may be legal it's undoubtedly immoral (unless of course you're devoid of a moral compass). Remind me never to do business with you and your ilk.
I can see both sides - but adding a bit on top of postage to cover the packing etc is hardly the "unacceptable face of capitalism"
and these hidden fees are all over the place - from buying airline tickets to concert tickets to insurance
and when I post something I sell on ebay, I spend ages packing it - taking pics etc
if I was to charge my time for that it stuff would be more than £4.00
obviously if this a commercial seller then they should have economies of scale
03 December 2016, 02:04 PM
#36
Which is fine.
But - and if it bothers any vendor - they should make sure they 'build' their 'packing/sending it off' labour into the goods' selling price, then. That way they're covering their self, and no argument can (potentially) come of it.
It's analogous to the classic, "I expect to be knocked down the ubiquitous £200 on the sale of my car straight off the bat, so I'll make sure I advertise it for at least 200 more than I originally intended."
But - and if it bothers any vendor - they should make sure they 'build' their 'packing/sending it off' labour into the goods' selling price, then. That way they're covering their self, and no argument can (potentially) come of it.
It's analogous to the classic, "I expect to be knocked down the ubiquitous £200 on the sale of my car straight off the bat, so I'll make sure I advertise it for at least 200 more than I originally intended."
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03 December 2016, 02:07 PM
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What gripes me about people selling/buying things is there moaning about the postage.
Personally i find the item i want, CHECK i am not being ripped off for the item or the cost of getting item to me then i buy it! or not depending on overall cost to me, IF i get ripped off nobody to blame but myself for being a ***!,gullible!,or ignorant! to the fact i am beening conned.
Personally i find the item i want, CHECK i am not being ripped off for the item or the cost of getting item to me then i buy it! or not depending on overall cost to me, IF i get ripped off nobody to blame but myself for being a ***!,gullible!,or ignorant! to the fact i am beening conned.
03 December 2016, 02:12 PM
#38
What gripes me about people selling/buying things is there moaning about the postage.
Personally i find the item i want, CHECK i am not being ripped off for the item or the cost of getting item to me then i buy it! or not depending on overall cost to me, IF i get ripped off nobody to blame but myself for being a ***!,gullible!,or ignorant! to the fact i am beening conned.
Personally i find the item i want, CHECK i am not being ripped off for the item or the cost of getting item to me then i buy it! or not depending on overall cost to me, IF i get ripped off nobody to blame but myself for being a ***!,gullible!,or ignorant! to the fact i am beening conned.
03 December 2016, 02:13 PM
#39
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yeah I tend to look at the total cost of a product i.e delivered to my door (and in what timescales)
and have bough an item at a higher price because postage was cheaper and an item at vice versa
especially if I need it quickly
and have bough an item at a higher price because postage was cheaper and an item at vice versa
especially if I need it quickly
03 December 2016, 02:19 PM
#40
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
yeah I tend to look at the total cost of a product i.e delivered to my door (and in what timescales)
and have bough an item at a higher price because postage was cheaper and an item at vice versa
especially if I need it quickly
and have bough an item at a higher price because postage was cheaper and an item at vice versa
especially if I need it quickly
I always discern my purchases by this criteria.
Makes logical sense to rationalise them in this way.
03 December 2016, 02:19 PM
#41
Got my dads car for sale on eBay for him.
So far offers over 1500 less with the promise of cash and quick collection
People telling me they have to come too far so need money off.
Then other people telling me about other cars they have seen for less
*****
So far offers over 1500 less with the promise of cash and quick collection
People telling me they have to come too far so need money off.
Then other people telling me about other cars they have seen for less
*****
03 December 2016, 02:23 PM
#42
Originally Posted by cuprajake
Got my dads car for sale on eBay for him.
So far offers over 1500 less with the promise of cash and quick collection
People telling me they have to come too far so need money off.
Then other people telling me about other cars they have seen for less
*****
So far offers over 1500 less with the promise of cash and quick collection
People telling me they have to come too far so need money off.
Then other people telling me about other cars they have seen for less
*****
Sadly, it takes all sorts.
The downside to selling on online auctions.
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03 December 2016, 04:00 PM
#43
JGlanzaV. It's about trust. Old dears trust the door to door salesmen who try to flog them a £1000 product for £4000. Caveat emptor? That's what the confidence tricksters always spout! What Joz and Pimmo are describing is unscrupulous and sharp practice and whilst it may be legal it's undoubtedly immoral (unless of course you're devoid of a moral compass). Remind me never to do business with you and your ilk.
JGlanzaV
P&P means exactly that: the cost of postage AND packaging...AND being sent. If the seller advertised that cost too low and unwittingly ends up being out of pocket, that's his lookout.
But if it's the opposite scenario (as is the case here), then it's morally wrong that the buyer makes up the shortfall for the vendor's mistake.
P&P means exactly that: the cost of postage AND packaging...AND being sent. If the seller advertised that cost too low and unwittingly ends up being out of pocket, that's his lookout.
But if it's the opposite scenario (as is the case here), then it's morally wrong that the buyer makes up the shortfall for the vendor's mistake.
So a case of having your cake and eating it?
Seller incurrs extra costs, tought ****.
Buyer gets charged a bit extra, morally reprihensible.
It is the buyers lookout too for getting shafted. If you were unaware of the cost it wouldnt be an issue as you have already stated. So if you were unaware of the cost then you are more than happy to spend 7 quid on it.
That is the point, the costs were agreed and there was no issue with been charged that. No one forced him to purchase it with that postage cost, it was a free choice that Pimmo made and he was happy with the terms of the contract.
He accepted and paid up. No one changed the terms of the contract. He is just butt hurt because the seller made a few extra quid. He could have charged you a million quid to deliver it, if you accepted the terms and paid up then thats the buyers perogative.
It is nothing like salesmen as the buyer went looking for the item and had a free choice to purchase any of the items to which he saw fit. There was no pressure or confidence sales. Infact he probably was still satisfied with his purchase and I imagine cheaper than the rest of the options even with the postage!
03 December 2016, 04:05 PM
#44
Yes. Tough ******* on the seller. The 'cake and eating it' argument is yet another straw man and doesn't even enter into it.
The onus is on the seller to provide the correct info, etc.
He DID alter the terms - he advertised a charge of 7 quid for p&p, but only paid 2.80!
He, technically, ROBBED Pimmo of 4.20. That changed 'deal' was not the contract Pimmo entered into, when he won the auction or BIN'd.
Simple.
The "unaware" angle is the seller's lack of forethought/stupidity. As we both agree, if he had stated "free postage" (but allowed for his costs to be folded into the overall price), then we wouldn't even be having this exchange.
But the fact that he DID state a particular cost for p&p - but failed to uphold it (to the buyer's expense) - changes that.
The onus is on the seller to provide the correct info, etc.
He DID alter the terms - he advertised a charge of 7 quid for p&p, but only paid 2.80!
He, technically, ROBBED Pimmo of 4.20. That changed 'deal' was not the contract Pimmo entered into, when he won the auction or BIN'd.
Simple.
The "unaware" angle is the seller's lack of forethought/stupidity. As we both agree, if he had stated "free postage" (but allowed for his costs to be folded into the overall price), then we wouldn't even be having this exchange.
But the fact that he DID state a particular cost for p&p - but failed to uphold it (to the buyer's expense) - changes that.
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03 December 2016, 04:47 PM
#45
Yes. Tough ******* on the seller. The 'cake and eating it' argument is yet another straw man and doesn't even enter into it.
The onus is on the seller to provide the correct info, etc.
He DID alter the terms - he advertised a charge of 7 quid for p&p, but only paid 2.80!
He, technically, ROBBED Pimmo of 4.20. That changed 'deal' was not the contract Pimmo entered into, when he won the auction or BIN'd.
Simple.
The "unaware" angle is the seller's stupidity. As we both agree, if he had stated "free postage" (but allowed for his costs to be folded into the overall price), then we wouldn't even be having this exchange.
But the fact that he DID state a particular cost for p&p, changes that.
The onus is on the seller to provide the correct info, etc.
He DID alter the terms - he advertised a charge of 7 quid for p&p, but only paid 2.80!
He, technically, ROBBED Pimmo of 4.20. That changed 'deal' was not the contract Pimmo entered into, when he won the auction or BIN'd.
Simple.
The "unaware" angle is the seller's stupidity. As we both agree, if he had stated "free postage" (but allowed for his costs to be folded into the overall price), then we wouldn't even be having this exchange.
But the fact that he DID state a particular cost for p&p, changes that.
The seller can charge what ever the hell he likes for postage though, you dont seem to get that? He stated 7 quid, he COULD have stated a million quid. IT DOES NOT MATTER.
It is absolutely irrelevant what it did cost him as opposed to what he charges. The buyer was happy to pay 7 quid and agreed to pay that for an item to arrive at the agreed address.
Do you think it costs asda home delivery 4 quid each to do deliveries within 500yds of each other? Does it ****. So are you going to report them for false advertising and put in a complaint?
You lot are off your heads...
03 December 2016, 05:00 PM
#47
Pimmo expected for the postage to cost him 7 quid. And was happy with that.
But due to the seller's lack of forethought (yes, silly him), allowed Pimmo to see that he had only paid 2.80. So the carriage cost was NOT 7 quid, thus Pimmo paid 4.20 over.
The seller would have KNOWN this (whether originally intended or not), and therefore should have offered Pimmo a credit or rebate for the difference.
But due to the seller's lack of forethought (yes, silly him), allowed Pimmo to see that he had only paid 2.80. So the carriage cost was NOT 7 quid, thus Pimmo paid 4.20 over.
The seller would have KNOWN this (whether originally intended or not), and therefore should have offered Pimmo a credit or rebate for the difference.
03 December 2016, 05:08 PM
#48
Pimmo expected for the postage to cost him 7 quid. And was happy with that.
But due to the seller's lack of forethought (yes, silly him), allowed Pimmo to see that he had only paid 2.80. So the carriage cost was NOT 7 quid, thus Pimmo paid 4.20 over.
The seller would have KNOWN this (whether originally intended or not), and therefore should have offered Pimmo a credit or rebate for the difference.
But due to the seller's lack of forethought (yes, silly him), allowed Pimmo to see that he had only paid 2.80. So the carriage cost was NOT 7 quid, thus Pimmo paid 4.20 over.
The seller would have KNOWN this (whether originally intended or not), and therefore should have offered Pimmo a credit or rebate for the difference.
Even so Pimmo was happy to pay 7 quid so chalk it down to experience and dry your eyes mate...
03 December 2016, 05:10 PM
#49
If you saw an ad that stated 100 quid for delivery, and it arrived with postage to the value of just £10, would you not be inclined to contact the seller to explain himself...?
You'd feel...no, BE...completely ripped off.
You'd feel...no, BE...completely ripped off.
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03 December 2016, 05:13 PM
#51
You can always send it back and use your 7 day cooling off period if you dont agree with jt. But expecting some kind of refund is ridiculous as you are not entitled to one.
As said, you may not like it, but a seller can charge you what ever the hell he likes and of you agree to the terms and purchase the item you are legally bound to pay it. You are not entitled to a refund and it is not a basis for a complaint.
I dont get how difficult it is to understand this concept...
03 December 2016, 05:14 PM
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03 December 2016, 05:25 PM
#56
Originally Posted by JGlanzaV
Not at all.
Youre free to shop else where....
Youre free to shop else where....
As I said, the seller didn't stick to the terms of his advert.
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03 December 2016, 05:34 PM
#58
I doubt they do...
03 December 2016, 09:06 PM
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I misread pimmos post .
How much was the actually foam and where was the item/desperation - such that you felt the need to spend 7QUID on postage