dpb

Which democratically elected governments ?

dpb

Afd fading into obscurity

probably not enough liberalism, lol

Petem95

Really?! Despite all the infighting they're currently moving up in the polls and look set to become the 3rd biggest party, and the first far-right party to enter German parliament since 1945.

Is this a good thing? Probably not, but thanks to crazy liberal policies resulting in a surge in terrorist attacks, debts levels etc, it's no surprise to see that there has been a resurgence in far-right polities in recent years.

You guys really are your own worst enemies.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Been saying just that for ages now, but get shouted down by the gobby lefty liberals on here. it's NEVER their fault, nothing ever is...

neil-h

Says the bloke that does exactly the same just with a right wing stance. It's always the leftys fault isn't it

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Hmm the Guardian would also like you to think the East/West devide is still present:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...eral-elections

The devide is reminiscent here to those in or out of London where the waves of opinion becomes increasing devisive as the gaps between the richer/poorer areas widens in non-London inner cities.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...nd-west-really


Or...are East Germans just stupid? (Sarcasm btw ).

hodgy0_2

lol, you have a strange view of getting "hot under the collar"

I suspect you are confusing it with mocking laughter

meanwhile £350 million is back!!!!!!

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Well, if you believe that, you'll believe owt.

I detested Thatcher's government, still do. And the privatisation of the UK's assets, the sale of most of them abroad? Despicable.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

It'll be interesting to watch the remoan camp trying to disappear it yet again. If we believe them, there would be nothing left out of what we currently pay the EU.....

dpb

They should be paying us to leave ?!

Mr Fuji

Are you seriously attempting to defend that figure? It was an out an out lie at worst, a serious mis-representation at best.

hodgy0_2

you walk into a newsagent and pay £5.00 for a newspaper and get £4.00 change

to Brexidiots the newspaper has cost you £5.00

#brexitlogic #twoshortplanks

andy97

iTrader: (1)

The actual number never bothered me, £350mill or £165mill per week. It wasn't relevant to my decision to vote to leave. £165mill is still a hell alot of money that will come back under direct control of the UK government.

Martin2005

Once we've handed over £30-£50 BILLION!

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Which the government have categorically denied we will do?

Martin2005

I'm not sure they have.


Anyway, what is it that they could of categorically denied at this stage, as we are in the middle of negotiations? There's bound to be some sort of divorce bill, so how can they possibly categorically deny paying a yet to be disclosed sum of money?


More Brexit BS

BMWhere?

No they haven't! They have categorically said they will pay what is legally required!

Mr Fuji

No, they said they didn't agree with the top figures of up to 100 billion Euros, but they have absolutely not said they will not be paying a divorce bill.

andy97

iTrader: (1)

The government have not agreed to pay any figure presently, until, I suspect they know what the final deal looks like.
Poor deal, no payment.

Martin2005

I just wish there was a way of ensuring that Brexit voters paid this bill. They were so keen, and it being a price worth paying for taking back control and all...

should only be 2-3 grand each.

Wouldn't that be beautiful😀

dpb

Likewise all the hassle it might require to visit europe

i think alcazar will be happy to stump up for the rest of us

Petem95

Yes they'll make it extra difficult won't they, anything to stop all those UK tourists coming in and spending lots of money

France has already seen a big decline in tourism numbers due to repeated terrorist attacks (due, at least in part, to liberal immigration policies);

http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/...-a7592836.html

https://www.thelocal.fr/20160810/in-...serting-france

If there was a prize for the most bitter and angry person on this forum, you'd win hands down. The referendum vote is done and dusted, try and be an adult about it and respect democracy.

dpb

Considering what a *Dangerous* place it is , due to mainly homegrown terrorists

theres hardly been a dent in the numbers !


Chinese and japanese represent 2 percent of the total visitors

Petem95

Yes hardly a dent

You guys really need to step out of Guardian reader land, and face up to reality. I know the world is a big scary place, and it's not how you want it to be, but pretending it's something else isn't the answer.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

For a so-called liberal you are pretty un-forgiving aren't you?

YOU LOST, get over it FFS.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Might?

there you go again.

My parents toured Europe in the early 60's, including Spain, then under the Facist heel of Franco, and the then Yugoslavia, under the Communist heel of Moscow.

There were NO insurmountable problems then. There will be none now.

Get over yourself, why don't you?

Honestly, you remoaners: you accuse us of looking on the dark side, but you don't seem to see ANYTHING now but might-be doom and maybe gloom.

Grow up, FFS. You lost. That's it. Live with it.

dpb

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Doesnt sound too taxing to get in , not like Russia itself when my ole man was selling animal feed to them early seventies

dpb

You could get a package deal Benidorm in the sixties , that must been really taxing !

Martin2005

I fear that we all lost

lozgti1

Mad pro europeans