Hodgy thanks for the link. It will be ace getting rid of all those trucks coming and going through Folkstone and Dover. Containers on trains. Quieter safer roads to cycle on

 

No we don't! We trade with the rest of the world through the trade deals and reduced tariff deals that the EU has negotiated over the last 40 years. Again, you prove how little you understand!

 

the very fact they are still going on about WTO and Tariffs shows them to be clueless idiots

WTO Tariffs are generally low and the WTO do not involve services

the biggest disrupt-er of trade in the 21st century is NTB's or non tariff barriers

again this was all explained last year

but thick is as thick does

 

The UK is already a member of the WTO, it trades with rest of the world, unfortunately is tied in with the EU schedules. It still trades under wto rules. It will sort out its own schedules in due course.

 

Do you think german can afford us not to be?

You can say what ever you want during a vote, but when the real world and money kicks in you'll find people very quickly change their view.

 

yawn - more nonsense

the Germans know the value of the Single Market and the Customs Union

they will not jeopardise it's benefits to indulge the fantasies if Farage et al

its like Schrodinger's "Single Market"

it has no value, but at the same time it has value - and we want a part of it

laughably you have not moved on from the "cake and eat it" rhetoric

give up man - you are sounding like an idiot

 

you can;t be that naive surely?

 

Says the bloke that believes the Germans will give us a good deal because "they can't afford us not to be".

 

I'll believe whats being said by the actual people negotiating the deal, not the press trying to sell papers or politicians running their own agenda.

All this information being sprouted is irrelevant and guess work.

Both sides have said a no deal would be a bad thing for all concerned and both sides would take a major hit, with both sides sure a deal will be made.

 

Ahh, that old chesnut! You claim to not believe the bull**** the press print, yet spout off their crap about the Germans wanting to sell us cars!

Firsly, the German car industry only makes up a small portion of the German economy, its just the most visible sector to the public because most of their trading is business to business.

Secondly, there is enough profit in the German car industry that they can easily swallow any additional tariffs without raising the customer prices if they really want to. The chances are though, they will happily pass on the trariffs to the customers because they know the customers will still pay! People don't buy German cars because they're good value, they buy them for the perceived quality and pay a heavy premium to buy German - that's not going to change post Brexit and the Germans know it! The UK will still be buying German just as much as before, they're just going to have to pay more for it and the Germans know they will!

If anyone's going to be worried about car sales post Brexit, its the French and Italians who don't have the same quality reputation as Germany and are already selling their cars cheaply with much lower profit margins!

 

We can go on about this it that but the reality is we will know in 2 years what the crack is. Untill then it's all conjecture and guess work.

 

This is the problem, leave voters gambled the economic and social future of this country on the basis of conjecture and guesswork. Maybe this is why they're often referred to as stupid?

 

or is it stupid staying in a system that doesn't fit your needs?

It could work out to be a very good move and then who will be referred to as the stupid ones?

We seem to be living in society where people seem to think that anyone with different opinions to theirs should be insulted and shunned. Tis a sorry state of affairs how our democracy has died

 

Do you think they are stupid?

 

No, just misinformed. Relying on conjecture and guesswork smacks of desperation, and I don't believe that being in the EU was a desperate situation. Imperfect, maybe, but not exactly an emergency.

 

All of them......no.
A lot of them......absolutely

The stupid came out en masse for this vote, geed up by lies about immigrants/sovereignty/NHS. Without them the vote would have gone the other way.

So it was absolutely as a result of stupidity we are where we are now.
And the stupid have yet to comprehend how badly they have disproportionately ****ed themselves in the ****.

 

Stupid.

 

I still can't believe we're going ahead with it. Madness.

 

What Jack said.

 

It's unhelpful to use pejoratives.

 

How did the EU not fit our needs? We created it that way because it does fit our needs! For an individual person, it may not fit your needs, but its not meant to! Its meant to fit the needs of the people, the country and the economy as a whole as does a pretty good job of it and has helped make the UK a very rich country and raised the overall wealth of the entire population!

The problem is, the UK government as a whole doesn't meet the needs of the people. Nothing to do with the EU, but never the less, the blame has been passed on to the EU by the press and government for all the negative things in society, while reaping the rewards for all the positives the EU has provided claiming as their own!

Take the data privacy rules that were announced this week. The government and the press have been spinning it as a necessary legislation they they have created to protect public privacy in preparing Britain for post Brexit, yet the reality is they have just implemented the EU rules, pretty much word for word and is really not the idea of the British government nor is it anything to do with Brexit!

 

When countries choose to ignore the rules, like germany, france etc and we follow them in what way does it work?

Anyway, as said it will all become apparent at a later date

 

Which rules that Germany and France have ignored are you referring to?

 

The point is this..." "if we had no rules where would we be? France! And if we had too many rules where would we be? Germany!"

 

Alcazar called, he'd quite like his rant back.

Anywho, did we ever get to the bottom of who we'll be able to buy cars from post Brexit that we don't already buy them from?

 

USA could be one,. Yes some manufacturers sell over here but not all . Plus 20% tariffs on some models,. I should know I paid 20% premium

 

Are you mad????? There is a reason why people don't buy American cars! They are predominantly absolutely garbage!

 

They'll be several rich customers out there after them tesla and or V8 somethings

 

Which American car manufacturers don't we get over here then?

 

Don't think it's fair to say we get Chevrolets when the ones we get are rebadged Daewoos

In seriousness, we, or/and the EU need a better trade deal with the USA; There is so much automotive goodness in the way of aftermarket and bespoke components that simply don't exist anywhere else in the world, and to buy it and import it to the UK costs the consumer a hefty load of tax.

Ok I'm selfish; I hedged that the dollar would plummet after Trump got in so I could reap some rewards in the way of automotive goodies courtesy of Tremec, how wrong was I?