BMWhere?

Do you actually believe the public as a whole would support that?
The vast majority of people I know who voted leave would rather remain than have no deal!

dpb

Half dozen from the front bench and the rest from anywhere else

It's only erg and old gits who gunning still for no deal

Everyone else in the country wants a compromise


Boris likely to be jailed anyway under order mandamus

trails

iTrader: (41)

All parties chop and change to appeal to voters; it's all a game of strategy for them...Labour are no different from any other party; you just don't like them.

Corbyn has disappointed many, many people by being unable to form a proper opposition and supporting remain.

trails

iTrader: (41)

This, all day long

trails

iTrader: (41)

But why would you push the country through that pain...again Tidg; what do you think you will gain from leaving the EU and what has the EU stopped you doing?

trails

iTrader: (41)

Sidiq is gunning for him too...he clearly hates him.

Shame.

Tidgy

im not gonna go through it all again, its been done to death.

The reasoning is irrelevant after the fact when you have a result.

trails

iTrader: (41)

A result from three years ago...a result from a campaign that everyone admits was filled with lies...a result that is still not even close to being implemented...a result that did not say leave the EU without a deal.

The reasoning isn't irrelevant, it's entirely relevant because your 'reasons' have a direct effect on me because you want to leave the EU and that effects the whole of the UK...so again; why do you want to leave and what has the EU stopped you doing?

Tidgy

So are things as bad as the remain side claimed if we voted to leave?

No they arn't, so the lier lier pants on fire argument doesn't work because both sides are guilty of it.

you realise these posts are identical to ones about 12 months ago?

trails

iTrader: (41)

We haven't left yet Tidg...but we are certainly suffering from an economic growth perspective...

I didn't say just leave lied...both sides lied or as good as by not effectively reposting the other sides lies!

That's because you still haven't answered the blasted question

Tidgy

yes its reduced, but not by the 10% they said before the vote. These are all things said 12 months ago. im not gonna carry on arguing the same things over and over and over.

trails

iTrader: (41)

So you are OK with the referendum result directly leading to your standard of living decreasing...as long as it's below a 10% threshold?

You must be expecting some sort of pay off at the endy?

You have not answered those questions....but that's OK because it has no direct effect on me, oh...hold on; yes if blimming does

Tidgy

you really do twist things people say don't you. They said doom and gloom major recession and it hasn't happened.

Whether I or you agree with the result or not is irrelevant, we live in a democracy where popular vote counts. Had remain won, so be it, but it didn't so stop trying to change it.

dpb

There should have been a bigger margin imposed for the "winning"

wouldnt have had this disastrous 3 years

BMWhere?

We live in a democracy where you can vote again to change your mind! Until its done, it's not done and if it is ever done, it can be undone! That's democracy ;-)

This argument that it won't be as bad as what project fear painted therefore everything is OK is just deluded! Sure, no deal probably won't be as bad as project fear painted, but it probably also won't be as good as the governments Yellowhammer makes out. Its fair to say, it will be somewhere in between. Given that Yellowhammer paints a pretty bleak picture for no deal and thats on the optimistic side, even if no deal isn't the disaster that project fear claims, its still set to be a disaster.

The fact that the disaster hasn't happened yet is not proof that it isn't going to happen. We've already seen the a huge devaluation of the pound, which has actually helped exports, but in turn driven inflation as the imports have become more expensive. The increased inflation has in turn lead to a fall in wealth as wage growth is only now starting to match inflation. Inward investment in the UK has fallen significantly as companies are not willing to make significant investments until they know what the future relationship with the UK is. The UK has ridden the Brexit disaster relatively well so far thanks to the UK economy being in great shape prior to the Brexit vote. While things are reasonably good right now in the UK, they could have been a lot better and unless there is a deal, things are set to get a lot worse!

trails

iTrader: (41)

No, I read what's in front of me and try and discern what is being communicated. Doom & gloom is an anecdote; the UK has not kept pace with the rest of their OECD nations...you seemed happy to accept some form of pain so I'm interested to find out what you think the pay off is for you.

Over three years have passed since the referendum and the country\world is a very different place to before the referendum took place.

BMWhere?

What goes around comes around!

Parliament have just voted against a 3 day recess next week so the Conservatives can attend their conference

trails

iTrader: (41)

funny that!

Henrik

iTrader: (5)

As I'm sure everyone knows, I'm an ardent remainer, but imo it was childish of the opposition to vote against this.

They should have taken the moral high ground, but instead they come out looking like kids in the playground...

BMWhere?

I actually agree, but it's still pretty funny!

lozgti1

Things can go beyond a joke. This is one of them.

It really isn't funny anymore

dpb

Ten defeats in a row , come on, it gets funnier and funnier !!

trails

iTrader: (41)

It's never been funny...it's always been a ****ing mess. This is just hysteria from all directions because it was never supposed to happen.

hodgy0_2

trails

iTrader: (41)

That will never add any cost of import/export. Ahh wait a ****ing minute

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

That list makes it look difficult to send stuff , it's like that already for non EU countries , it's very simple , just written to make it look a lot more involved than it actually is

trails

iTrader: (41)

But more expensive.

dpb

Our free trade with USA more than make up the loss !!

dpb

And for that fantasy to materialise ( in an erg mind ) , we need No Deal.

Whats the consensus on Boris being Serious about Irish border proposal

hodgy0_2

lol, that's your take on it, I did not make that point - so please no strawman arguments

the list simply points out all the unnecessary hoops people who export to the EU have to go thru that they don't now - that's all, no one apart from you is saying it looks difficult, just that it is extra admin/costs that does not happen now

and the process is replicated by businesses importing stuff from the EU - again hoops that are not there now

all we get is "whatever" - pathetic really