So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
#4531
Scooby Regular
I am in Seville this weekend, visiting my wonderful eldest daughter on an EU funded. Erasmus year @ Seville university
She reminded me of the weekend post the vote in 2016, she was in Bali with her Japanese boyfriend,, they were in a taxi and the Balanese driver said to her "what the **** have you done"
There you go, taxi driver in Bali had a better grasp of international trade relationships than the Brexitidot "massive"
#4533
Former Ukip leader Nigel Farage re-joined the March to Leave in Linby, near Nottingham, on Saturday morning telling around 200 Brexit supporters that Mrs May had reduced the nation "to a state of humiliation".
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#4535
Scooby Senior
Petition to leave the EU with no deal, created 17 Oct 2018 now has 500 thousand signatures
Petition to revoke article 50, created 20 Feb 2019 now has 5.5 million signatures.
Leave means leave march attracted around 200 people
Peoples vote march attracted a million people
So yeah, tell me what the will of the people is again?
Petition to revoke article 50, created 20 Feb 2019 now has 5.5 million signatures.
Leave means leave march attracted around 200 people
Peoples vote march attracted a million people
So yeah, tell me what the will of the people is again?
#4536
I think there two factors which would lead to a Remain win in a second referendum
Two years worth of the biggest demographic of leave voters dying
Two years worth of people coming of voting age who have grown up with the EU and don't see any negatives to it
I know people who have changed their minds on both sides, so the mess may or may not contribute to a change in voting for those who did last time.
I also thing think that complacency on the part of Remain voters led to the lowish turn out last time. For those who harp on about it being against the will of the people, what are they afraid of?
Two years worth of the biggest demographic of leave voters dying
Two years worth of people coming of voting age who have grown up with the EU and don't see any negatives to it
I know people who have changed their minds on both sides, so the mess may or may not contribute to a change in voting for those who did last time.
I also thing think that complacency on the part of Remain voters led to the lowish turn out last time. For those who harp on about it being against the will of the people, what are they afraid of?
#4538
Scooby Senior
I think there two factors which would lead to a Remain win in a second referendum
Two years worth of the biggest demographic of leave voters dying
Two years worth of people coming of voting age who have grown up with the EU and don't see any negatives to it
I know people who have changed their minds on both sides, so the mess may or may not contribute to a change in voting for those who did last time.
I also thing think that complacency on the part of Remain voters led to the lowish turn out last time. For those who harp on about it being against the will of the people, what are they afraid of?
Two years worth of the biggest demographic of leave voters dying
Two years worth of people coming of voting age who have grown up with the EU and don't see any negatives to it
I know people who have changed their minds on both sides, so the mess may or may not contribute to a change in voting for those who did last time.
I also thing think that complacency on the part of Remain voters led to the lowish turn out last time. For those who harp on about it being against the will of the people, what are they afraid of?
I know a few remain voters who say they would now vote leave in a second referendum on democratic principle, although possible when push comes to shove they may still voter remain.
I know a few leave voters who say they would now vote remain because they didn't realise how difficult it would be in reality and the last two years have convinced them its a bad idea.
I also know a few leave voters who only voted leave as a protest vote thinking it wouldn't happen but at least they made their protest. They now massively regret their decision and would now vote remain.
On the balance, I think remain would probably now win, but the margin would be close and probably wouldn't do much to restore public faith in democracy or reunite the nation. Although I could take a more brexiteer stance and say ****-em, you lost! Rather than a second referendum, I'd probably prefer a compromise and settle on a soft Brexit such as the Norway(+) deal, although ideally I would prefer to remain! If they do have a second referendum, then it has to be against a specific deal and not the unicorn deal of the first referendum.
I really hope that at some point, Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn will both stop playing politics and actually start listening to reason and work together in the interest of the country. But with our archaic and corrupt parliamentary system, I don't hold too much hope for that!
Personally, I'd rather we went about fixing our own democracy rather than worrying about the EU. If you want to talk about the unelected, you need look no further than the House of Lords!
#4539
That's also why I find it funny when people think the EU is in some way an insidious organisation bent on oppressing us all or making a superstate. It's more like a coalition government, they have to compromise, unlike a majority in the Commons!
#4541
Scooby Regular
I wouldn't like to call the result of any possible second referendum - a big part of the electorate will think that Brexit has been stolen from them and will turn out in massive numbers.
It won't go down well if we were leaving then it was decided we won't - I predict riots on the streets if this happens - I really do.
It won't go down well if we were leaving then it was decided we won't - I predict riots on the streets if this happens - I really do.
#4544
i agree it would kick off if they changed the vote, but would they allow another referendum for the leavers.
the riots would just be the scum using it as an excuse to loot.
the riots would just be the scum using it as an excuse to loot.
#4546
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“The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. … How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!” –
very handily explains the predicament farage has put you in
#4547
On the Jeremy Vine show just now, they said a general election wouldn't really help, but both main parties could stand on Remain and one of them would get elected. You could put monkeys in suits in most constituencies and the die hards would still vote for them.
#4548
Scooby Regular
I really hope that at some point, Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn will both stop playing politics and actually start listening to reason and work together in the interest of the country. But with our archaic and corrupt parliamentary system, I don't hold too much hope for that!
#4549
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Can anyone explain how a terrible deal that has been overwhelmingly rejected by parliament on two occasions suddenly becomes a great deal if the PM resigns?
#4550
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