Turbohot

I don't know Biblical English that well, I only went by the daily-life interpretations of the word; as described in various dictionaries for English language.

Thank you, and I now understand what you meant by 'meek'.

JTaylor

My pleasure.

Turbohot

I was in a conference yesterday. The best two speakers were full of humility and genuineness. First younger guest speaker said how surprised he was at being called to present his work in a national conference. He thought that the host had made a mistake, and wanted some big shot from his organisation for the purpose. His presentation was good because his material was sufficient, and his delivery had an honest, humble flow to it. People connected with him, despite his material being not so in depth but still, very clear. He was lovely. I gave him 7/10.

The second veteran one was just himself, and that was something special about him. There was no 'act' from him on the public stage. He did talk about (if not bragged about) his achievements, slated his own responsibilities (unethical ones; came with his job description), how he rebelled against them and how sleepless he was at his own action because it could have cost him his job. His work with public was real. He did what he could, and accepted what he couldn't do. He admitted his failures and weaknesses, and showed his candid disagreement with the things he didn't like. He said that he never had any power, he never wanted to lead, just did what he was supposed to do and loved most (not all, though. He admitted) people he served. This man was the uncrowned leader in that conference; the person you'd remember the most. I can't wait to buy his only book that he has ever written, which is coming out when Hodder release it in March. I gave him 15/10.

The poorest presentation was from the pretentious one who put out his whole thesis. People were out to hear the impact, not the process of his PhD. I gave him 5/10. He has apparently received 3/10 in overall evaluation by the audience.

So yes, humility and genuineness go a long way.

JTaylor

Great! What was the name of the middle speaker?

Turbohot

Dr. Mike Shooter. A past Consultant Psychiatrist (Gwent CAHMS) and past president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists.

He was actually the concluding speaker. Just as well, as there was nothing you would have wanted to hear from anyone else; after him. I brought him in the middle in my post because I initiated my post with the two best.

JTaylor

http://www.bmj.com/content/326/7402/1324

He can empathise, that's half the battle! And he's suffered from clinical depression. I'm always cautious of people who sail through life without so much as a fleeting encounter with the Black Dog. He seems like a top bloke!

Turbohot

Yes, he openly talks about his depressive disorder. That's not the only characteristic and his own disclosure that makes him an extra ordinary person, though. He is a brilliant, down to earth and most importantly, a 'real' person overall, and that, as a collective, makes him a very special person. Even if he didn't have the titles, his depression and his long term experience of working in mental health, he could have stood up in the conference and swept the floor. Certain qualities are just there in people; without any added extras to them.

Many depressive people can show a delusion of superiority and a serious lack of empathy. Such delusion and apathy are their existential needs or their pathological symptoms. Not all depressives are as humble and empathic as Shooter.

I like what you say about being cautious of people who sail through life without encountering the black dog. I'll tell you about the one I met; not professionally, but on my travels.

I met a 30-something Western Buddha in Kanchanaburi, who didn't know what he wanted in his life, and that was making him kind of unhappy. He was waiting for his GF to arrive the next day, but letting the Thai society girls exploit him something chronic on his free, drunken night. He got talking to me and told me how uncertain he was; of his relationship and his job as an archivist in a mega museum. Very well educated man, who intellectualised everything. He had read every book on this earth! Anyway, he was in complete denial and emphasised upon having no encounter with psychologically unrestful situations ever in his life. To him, his middle-class, comfortable life and upper class childhood were just picture perfect. On our friendly chat, he came up with various options to make himself happy, but discarded each and every of them himself. So yes, I was cautious of him selling his soul to the devil, but I had to move on to another bar where my daughter dear was. I left him with two Thai ladies who had their arms around him. Lucky man! At least for a night, he would have forgotten of his psychological unrest.

dpb

Jesus, Nigel is such a little **** stirrer. Lol

Turbohot

Yeah. I read about that. Did he actually get to meet Trump in person yesterday/ day before yesterday? I ask because on the TV, I saw him meandering about on the American street, but never saw his picture with Trump.

joz8968

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Yep. Last night. At Trump Tower. For 4.5hrs.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.tel...?client=safari

Looks like the Tories, 'under duress' and with tail between legs lol, may now have to 'suck up' to Farage to act as a diplomatic, 'smoothing' intermediary for UK-US relations, going forward. At least for the short term, in order to reestablish the confidence of The Trump Massive lol.

Oh the irony of it all.

Political diplomacy is mental.

dpb

Of course you're completely right , it coulda been faked



Appropriate

gary77

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Am i understanding this right . Everybody that understands how the electoral college thing works new trump was going to win by a large amount and it was actually a waste of time for anybody to vote ?



Why are these things never mentioned in the run up. Why were we told clinton was ahead the whole time . When anybody that understands the system would know the outcome since whenever the college got voted

dpb

There were 3 /4 states that tipped it for him . Then Ohio also came down heavily for him ( really unexpected)

If it wasn't for bunch crazy evangelicals in Florida it would all been very different

hodgy0_2

all sounds very alt.right / milo yiannopoulos

will post a fuller response later

JTaylor

Yes, it is. Whether palatable or not, with Trump and Farage cosying-up and with the rise of the alt.right on the continent, the demographic attracted to paleoconservatism need to be engaged otherwise all the progress made in moving the west to the centre ground will be (and has been and is being) undone. You know the score, Hodgy; populist demagogues thrive in the conditions the world faces now.

neil-h

The blokes proving himself to be a hateful little cretin, I have to say him and Trump are meant for each other.

mattstant

I'll just leave this here


http://newsthump.com/2016/11/14/nige...tance-on-nose/

On-the-bog

Turbohot

I came across the following when I was searching to establish whether the two really met again or what:

http://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2016/11/...-donald-trump/

I now believe that the two did meet on Saturday.

On-the-bog

alcazar

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Jesus, there's some bitterness out there.

Are you lefties EVER going to accept that a) both of these defeats were your faults, and b) you were WRONG?

markjmd

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The only bitterness I see around here is coming from a diehard clique of sore winners like you.

There are plenty of posts in this thread already doing this.

dpb

looks like hes had the best orgasm of his life

gary77

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Where do we all stand on the issue of the usa presidential election being flawed and the outcome was not democracy . Considering more people vited for clinton ?

gary77

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Well my initial thought is. What an absalute load of bull**** . Wtf . Our government needs to go through anyone to begin a conversation with the president elect . What an absalute load of pointless ****e.

If this is the case i cant help thinking what a pathetic bunch of losers our goverment are.and to hell with them all .bunch of useless *****

joz8968

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Don't 'worry'. Govt made a statement today that it won't.

gary77

iTrader: (1)

Ah good .that bull**** is done . What bull**** is next

gary77

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Has hillary made any public comment about her supporters rioting .been wondering what she had to say to them.and what has the president of america got to say to these idiots

hodgy0_2

Ok, but the Cultural Marxist meme seems a cheap lazy philosophical and rhetorical hook tbh

and essentially trying to give a pseudo intellectuality to the "shouty left/political correctness" meme

I suppose there is a short and a long answer

the very short answer is that the first person to post the "shouty left" meme in SN was Warrenm2 - so forgive me if i give a wry smile to the hypocrisy - more of which later

and blaming LBGT for the worlds problems seems a bit of a stretch, I did not notice legions of limp wristed mincers machine gunning their way through Falluja Badgad and Najaf - and then announcing

"misson accomplished - darling" - on the deck of a brightly decorated crusie liner

environmentalist - yes their earnestness can grate - but they are essentially right (we ARE changing the climate in such a rapid time frame we are doing damage that will last centuries)

remember Carl Sagan when he spoke about the history of our planet/nature "the pale blue dot"

"Extinction is the norm, survival the exception"

science tells us that it is not biblical floods that wipe out entire species but rapid climate change (rapid in geological timescales)

"Shouty lefty" is just easy to say when you have run out of arguments

and political correctness is simply about power, (as I said in an earlier post on the EU thread)

people claim that other people are being political correct when they are trying to exert power, usually in the form of being arrogant, rude, dismissive about the other persons sexuality/culture/race etc - and get called out on it

it is a defense mechanism - that allows them to project what they see as intellectual / cultural superiority

in the Batty thread, I made a comment about brummies sounding thick - I knew what I was doing (I understand the rules of the game), I expected someone to call me a **** and they dually did (and I apologise )


now I could simply go back and say " oh stop being so politically correct" and "where is your sense of humour"

because I am a tall white, educated, middle class, male with a London "received pronunciation accent"

no one could really insult me, apart from calling me a white, educated middle class, male with a London "received pronunciation accent"

to which I would simply reply that they have a massive chip on their shoulder

I am cultural powerful (by "I" I mean people like me)


watch a Milos interview - he uses classic "bait and switch" techniques when the interviewers (from the main stream media) calls him out on is ignorant cr4p about Islam being a religion of rapist yada yada he simply says

"oh stop being so politically correct" and "where is your sense of humour"

but he wont say that to hs audience because they are too busy nodding their heads

such hypocrisy

I can see their ridiculous rhetorical techniques a mile off

gary77

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I wish i knew what the hell you are saying . I mean it sounds like you know what your talking about . Problem is i have no idea what your talking about .

All i can say is. You were being a **** and got called **** and thought that calling the **** caller pc ment it was ok to be a **** . It didnt you were just a bigger ****

Considering it was all a deliberate act of being a **** .

In fact being called a **** for that was a bit harsh it was just your opinion and im not sure why the person in question cared what you thought

Perhaps he should have used the racist card