bioforger

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Seeing as i know you will post some more crap up in response, this is the official reason for the failures. Lets put this one to bed now thanks.

“Based on our investigation, we learned that there was an issue with the battery cell, an overheating of the battery cell occurred when the anode-to-cathode came into contact which is a very rare manufacturing process error.”

"This is a problem with the battery cell and it has nothing to do with the device. Furthermore, the problem only affects the Galaxy Note 7, and it doesn’t affect other Samsung phones. This is only limited to the Galaxy Note7. Each model has a different design and manufacturing process."

JackClark

Maybe I confused you with TP, not difficult. Anyhow, you know as much as me and I doubt 3 factories messed up the batteries so that leaves the charger.

bioforger

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And there it is

toffee_pie

Says the google engineer.

Being an actual Engineer myself I would say its some design defect not ruling out a Battery issue. Since over 2M+ of these were sold I would phantom a guess if there was an outright issue with the Qualcomm fast charge tech from manufacture then we would be talking extremely high failure - assuming people charge up the phone which I am sure they would do.

Samsung have not actually found the root cause of this as far as I am aware, I very much doubt its has absolutely anything to do with fast charge technology.

Jack is whining on about this to save some grace for the fact Apple dont use this, Apple of course are biding their time and not ready to invest in a techology about 3 years old.

bioforger

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Yes they have TP read my post #31, that is their official statement on the issue.

kingofturds

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It's a shame as I was looking at a note 7 as my note 3 is looking a bit tired after 3 years. That said it still does everything I need. And it won't blow up in my pocket and turn my bollox into mince meat.

bioforger

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toffee_pie

Yeah, I read that statement however I dont think its final. I think Samsung are still trying to get to the bottom of these incidents.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/s...neers-confused

Basically, I could get a Note 7 and going by the failure rate there is over 90% chance the device would be fine.

I seriously doubt its anything to do with charging, in fact any of the main incidents seem to have occured when it was discharging if anything.

I saw a video of one that went up in smoke in a resturant in Korea, if that was doused in water Samsung should be all over that as I would imagine they need devices not reduced to smouldering wrecks to find out what went wrong. Semiconductor parts that have over heated or melted would probably be picked up easier this way.

toffee_pie

JackClark

Best you all ignore this bit

"A new report from the Financial Times says the latest thinking is that a defect with the Note 7’s fast-charging may to be blame, and cites a source who spoke with Samsung executives. The source is quoted as saying: “If you try to charge the battery too quickly, it can make it more volatile. If you push an engine too hard, it will explode. Something had to give. These devices are miracles of technology – how much we can get out of that tiny piece of lithium-ion.”"

dpb

This would doubtless never have happened with toffee fudges know how deployed

toffee_pie

Have to wait and see, most of the main incidents as far as I could see were from when they were getting discharged or just sitting around, for a company who has made fast charging devices successfully for years (including the S7 devices this year) it would take some serious oversight on their part to screw up that.

JackClark

That's a lot better than calling me an idiot for thinking the same, you're getting there TP.

toffee_pie

erm - you said 'Apple dont use fast charge due to incidents like this' which is nonsense. Millions of fast charge devices exist (safely) in the world and most of the new high end Androids have fast charge tech. Apple doesnt use fast charge, because the iPhones.....cant support it.

The Note 7 you said has old tech, doesnt say much for Apple who are the big losers here, if they made a half baked attempt at a more exciting product they could have done much more damage than they will do as I think the Google Pixel is a bit meh, like the iPhone 7 and also priced too much. The real winners will be HTC, LG, Sony, Huawei and Acer.

toffee_pie

I dont think we are thinking the same (most likely you are stuck on some cloud somewhere still), your rationale for this incident as far as I can guess is due to fast charging and dangerous batteries, and old tech I think you said.

Clearly Apple are way ahead of the game here with devices that take over 3 hours to charge up.

I think there is more to this than the above as per previous comments, most of the main devices that actually went up in smoke as far as I could see were just idle. For 35 defects or so out of about 2.5Million units it would be pretty rare for 35 devices to have faulty charge functionality, why not the rest, assuming they all use the same components and designs.

Anyway, its still undecided and Apple probably are even more scared about fast charge tech than ever now.

JackClark

You're just making up numbers now, do you really think Samsung would lose billions if there was no real threat?

Also, thinking Apple are not capable of developing a solution themselves or just throwing a few more $ at Qualcomm is just plain silly. Apple will make changes to charging when the need and the technology are balanced.

toffee_pie

More BS from you.
Dozens of different devices and from various manufacturers around the world use fast charging and by now it's a pretty mature technology.

Apple is no different to a LG or Acer Zenfone fone or anything else in terms of charging.

Either apple are happy to continue taking their fans as mugs and offer outdated technology or they don't want to increase product cost (BOM) or indeed pay loyalties to a third party.

35 failures or so is not much out of over 2+ million but far too much for a company like Samsung and a product like the note 7 which was anticipated so much, even now a million of them are still being still used.

toffee_pie

Erm, it's not made up numbers it's actual reported ones. Even you can probably figure out 35 out of 2.5 million is not much. That basically means you could pick up a note 7 from somewhere and the odds are that it will be fine.
But clearly there is an underlying issue somewhere and they done the right thing to put a halt to it. It's not like Samsung will go under or dissappear or anything over this.

JackClark

I keep forgetting what a blind fool you are. You actually do believe that there's only a 35:2,500,000 chance and that was enough for Samsung to do a recall.

“In an effort to minimize weight and volume, Samsung used a separator that was too thin and this gave rise to shorts which made the batteries get very hot and fail catastrophically,”

You don't think fast charging makes batteries hotter? Come on TP you're only fooling yourself.

dpb

I really cant fathom they would scrap the whole line , if they really did believe it was 35 isolated incidents !

JackClark

Samsung aren't idiots, they know there's a design fault.

And there are treble that number in the US in only a month.

toffee_pie

catastrophic incidents.

people here are all as dumb as one another it seems.

its clear Samsung screwed up with the Note 7 and the QC checks but until such a time as they say why it happened...

well we can all contine with insults here and look forward to the latest Q3 figures from Apple while we are at it, surely they will improve this time around especialy with the Samsung gate fiasco.

toffee_pie

If Samsung knew there was a design fault you reckon they would have released this in the first place, over 2Million of them.

you are the only idiot on here.

https://www.cnet.com/news/why-is-sam...g-overheating/

Apple are not immune to these incidents in any event and over the years several iPhone battery incidents have been reported but maybe not on the scale of the Note 7 due to its popularity and the fact Apple sales are generally lower.

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/...xplode-Battery

dpb

When you're in hole , stop digging

toffee_pie

All this stuff is too much for you boy, clearly 30 or so very serious incidents with a product means nothing to someone like you, stick to your day job (if you have a job).

Maybe Apple would continue to sell products in a case like this...

Apple discussion forum:

JackClark

You're getting your stats from some Fandroid site, here's what the US Government say.
https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2016/Sa...7-Smartphones/

Oh and it's 2.5m produced, less than 1m sold.

dpb

Youre clearly the idiot toffee fudge , suckered up to mainstream media


I think its fairly clear you are in fact a back street repair man , which clearly qualifies you 'an expert' .

you've even suggested you'd happily flog off the other 1k - 35 to any grateful joe , in principle

toffee_pie

no idea what you are on about but a bat has more intelligence than you, Samsung sell more mobile phones than anyone else in the world (so any screw up is even more scrutinised), the Note 7 was the flagship product of 2016 and had some serious design faults, 30 or 40 might not be a huge number but its too high a figure with such a critical failure found. Samsung took full responsibility and pulled that product from the market, probaly due to slack QC or a design fault.

Not sure what is difficult to understand here, unless you are intellectually challenged.

JackClark

30 or 40 is well off the mark, more like 300 or 400.

jameswrx

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Don't tell me the iPhone 7 can't be stripped now??

Not had to replace battery on my 6, but it's nice to know you can DIY it if need be. I replaced my 4s battery after a few years use when I gave it to my son a year or so ago.