That list makes for some interesting reading.

 

Looks like Putin is winning this proxy war and the West can't do anything about it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37507207
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-is-paying-off

 

Correct. The whole thing is farcical. Russia is just p,issing over every one - take shooting down that plane over Ukraine as just another example.


The UN should ask US and any member states with some bottle to protect the convoys with air support and take out any choppers or jets that pose a threat. No more procrastination please.


david

 

Well I guess somebody had to do something about it. I can't help but feel people have a slightly warm and fuzzy outlook on war sometimes.

 

This war has dragged on for so long and displaced millions of people with many hundreds of thousands dead and injured. I think the West's involvement now only serves to drag the conflict for years to come, so the only solution is for the West to pull back it's involvement and let Putin and Assad get on with defeating the rebels/ISIS and let Syria rebuild its country and for the refugees return and stem the flow of refugees and asylum seekers into Europe.

 

Thus giving ISIS a free hand to recruit, train and get ready to take Europe by storm? d

 

If you look back only few years of so, I think what you'll find is that it was the intervention by the West in the Middle East that created the power vacuum that allowed ISIS to gain prominence. When Gaddafi and Sadam Hussein were in power, they kept extremists factions under control. Removing al-Assad forcefully by the West will only see history repeat itself. If anything, it is the West who are supporting the rebels who are made up of both moderate and extremists fighting against the Syrian army.

 

Well I won't disagree with that but note I haven't been suggesting regime change just protection to the aid convoys under UN instructions. This would be justified as WAR CRIMES are taking place daily. Bombing hospitals is about as evil as it gets.


d

 

as unpalatable as it seems

this maybe the best "worst" approach

 

Too unpalatable for me I'm afraid.


But I won't hold my breath.


David

 

Agreed, at the end of the day it would appear the West is backing the wrong side. People may not agree with Assad/Putins methods but at the end of the day Assad is a better option than ISIS.

 

Correct, sir.

 

His dad wasn't much better. dl

 

Russia bombing hospitals and aid convoys is no better than what ISIS have committed so I would hardly say they are the 'better' option.

Right now I would take what ever option came up to get rid of Putin, I couldn't despise that lunatic any more if I tried. He is worse than Kim Jong Un with his utter disrespect for the rest of the World and does exactly as he pleases and gets away with it which is what makes him worse. At least North Korea is heavily sanctioned and aren't attacking other parts of the World at will (yet).

And here is another point on Russia and it's permanent member status - what agreement/backing exactly did it get from the UN to go and support Assad? Absolutely none. So again it couldn't give a flying **** about the UN and it's membership other than it gets to veto anything that stands in it's way. Putin is simply taking the p!ss with his attitude and what he is getting away with. I bet we never see him at the Hague standing trial for war crimes as no one has the bollox to stand up to him.

 

The question is why are they doing it? I'd hazard a guess it's not for ****s and giggle.

 

The US and UK were no different in regards to the invasion of Iraq and UN backing. Also Allied forces have a veritable history of bombing and shelling civilian buildings and killing of civilians. Why are Russia involved? Syria is a close ally of Russia and also on the geo-political stage the West have a massive influence in the Middle East and I'm guessing Putin wants to restore Russia as a super power on par with the US and to address the balance in the Middle East.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...876_story.html

 

The locals just love a bit of a fight , as far as I can tell

its not even like theyre even signing up for a meal like they would in Africa eg - where some even more horrific things take place

some subtly different strain of religion is enough

 

The difference is the US/UK went to get rid of a murderous dictator and Russia have gone to support one.

And please provide evidence of the US/UK deliberately bombing civilian hospitals and aid convoys.

So no Russia is not doing what the US/UK have already done, it is completely different.

And Russia supports Assad because they are selling huge quantities of arms to them and nothing is better for arms deals than a long drawn out war.

 

And that's worked out oh so well in Iraq/Libya...

 

That's another debate.

 

And Syria will most likely go the same way. Yes it would be nice to deal with Assad but now isn't the right time, the last thing the world needs right now is yet another dictator being removed so ISIS can come marching in.

 

I agree with that however Russia don't need to be involved and they certainly shouldn't be bombing hospitals and aid convoys and getting away with it. Help defeat ISIS that's what everyone should be aiming for but Russia isn't doing that.

 

Russia can do as they please.

 

And when they commit war crimes as they have done they should be brought to account for it. And if they go against the rest of the international community which they have done in supporting Assad then they also have to face the consequences. Which again brings the United Nations into disrepute as they are hardly anything but united when Russia acts with impunity and commits war crimes.

 

Solution?

 

Also add to the fact Russia have also broken the Geneva Convention by bombing hospitals in Aleppo so what next then, chemical and biological weapons to start being used by Russian forces? If they break it once and no one acts then they are free to break it as much as they like.

 

Stop whinging and present me with a solution.

 

If you are suggesting there isn't a solution then the United Nations and the Geneva Convention might as well be thrown in the bin as I type this out. There is no point in having rules if there is no way to enforce them.

The most effective way to hurt Russia going on previous evidence is by way of embargoes and sanctions and basically force the Russian population to start suffering under Putin's rule. He either has to back down against the international community or risk losing the support of his nation.

His normal response to this threat is to turn off the gas supply to Europe but it didn't work last time as everyone knows he needs that gas money to keep his finances afloat. That is one cut off his nose to spite his face he cannot afford.

Oh and he still needs to be brought to account over the illegal annexing of Crimea but that's another example of World leaders lacking any bollox in challenging him collectively over it.

 

Whinging? How about your answer your own ******* questions and stop being so up your own ****.

 

So your 'solution' is to punish the Russian people. Brilliant! You should change your name to Kofi Anon.