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Old Sep 18, 2016 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by dpb
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09...peaker-grille/




This explains it toffee pudding.

They certainly seemed to have had you fooled

I'm pretty satisfied with the sound on this 6s
Good article, I didn't know the 7 was twice as loud as the 6s, pretty much everything else I've been trying to tell the fool for 4 pages.
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Old Sep 18, 2016 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dpb
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09...peaker-grille/




This explains it toffee pudding.

They certainly seemed to have had you fooled

I'm pretty satisfied with the sound on this 6s
the whole point here is that Apple shouted out that the iPhone 7, amongst all its other outdated features was stereo sound

the cynic in me says that hollowed out plastic does not constitute a stereo sound system.

To appease the flock of fanboys this is more than adequate, as demonstrated here.
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Old Sep 18, 2016 | 11:25 AM
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Good article, I didn't know the 7 was twice as loud as the 6s, pretty much everything else I've been trying to tell the fool for 4 pages.
amazing sound alright through 'stereo' speakers.

the shareholders are having a field day, i wonder what they will get away with next

fobbing off stereo sound when in fact it doesnt have it - check
removal of the 3.5" jack - check
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Old Sep 18, 2016 | 11:29 AM
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Maybe this picture will help you. The words aren't working.


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Pay attention to the circles emanating from each end of the iPhone, that's a representation of sound, stereo sound. Sorry for using big words.

Edited to add "Good morning, here's your custard pie."
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Old Sep 18, 2016 | 11:35 AM
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Definitely not. I have been a shareholder in the past and was open about that and may be again in the future. See the other Apple is doomed thread to find more info about that and how you could have made 20% profit just by not listening to the doom mongers on here.
Surprised you are not holed up in some office looking over peasants in cupertino tbh, you would be awesome for Apple.
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Old Sep 18, 2016 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by toffee_pie
Surprised you are not holed up in some office looking over peasants in cupertino tbh, you would be awesome for Apple.
I've worked in two offices in Sunnyvale, very close.
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Originally Posted by JackClark
Pay attention to the circles emanating from each end of the iPhone, that's a representation of sound, stereo sound. Sorry for using big words.

Edited to add "Good morning, here's your custard pie."
haha

pay special attention to this Jack, again i used bold for the benefif of iSheep.

from the amazing google

what is stereo sound?
This is usually achieved by using two or more independent audio channels through a configuration of two or more loudspeakers (or stereo headphones) in such a way as to create the impression of sound heard from various directions, as in natural hearing.

Apple have made mugs of you, and only can they flog of a device in 2 shades of black also.

now excuse me, I have better things to do than waste time engaging with iSheep
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Old Sep 18, 2016 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by JackClark
Maybe this picture will help you. The words aren't working.


It’s like men having nipples – Apple’s latest iPhone has failed to fully evolve after eagle-eyed fans spotted one unnecessary feature.

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/17/new-ip...#ixzz4KbUkMxeG

Adjusting to the absence of a headphone socket is one thing, but now iPhone 7 owners who picked up the latest model yesterday found a row of speaker holes in its place – but there’s something not right.
A teardown repair company decided to take the device apart to check out the new hardware, but when looking behind the extra grille, no speaker was to be found.
In a YouTube video, iFixit revealed that the new second row of speaker holes lead ‘nowhere’, rendering them completely useless
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Old Sep 18, 2016 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by JackClark
Definitely not. I have been a shareholder in the past and was open about that and may be again in the future. See the other Apple is doomed thread to find more info about that and how you could have made 20% profit just by not listening to the doom mongers on here.
No affiliation at all, other than that share-holding? Sorry for the grilling, but I'm sure you can understand a certain amount of scepticism here
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Old Sep 18, 2016 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by toffee_pie
It’s like men having nipples – Apple’s latest iPhone has failed to fully evolve after eagle-eyed fans spotted one unnecessary feature.

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/17/new-ip...#ixzz4KbUkMxeG

Adjusting to the absence of a headphone socket is one thing, but now iPhone 7 owners who picked up the latest model yesterday found a row of speaker holes in its place – but there’s something not right.
A teardown repair company decided to take the device apart to check out the new hardware, but when looking behind the extra grille, no speaker was to be found.
In a YouTube video, iFixit revealed that the new second row of speaker holes lead ‘nowhere’, rendering them completely useless
How many times, the holes you refer to as speaker holes lead to a second microphone amongst other things. Look how low you've stooped, trying - and failing - to pick fault with an extra hole. You came in here full of performance stats, now you have nothing but a hole. Embarrassing.
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Old Sep 18, 2016 | 12:31 PM
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No affiliation at all, other than that share-holding? Sorry for the grilling, but I'm sure you can understand a certain amount of scepticism here
I make a living working with Apple products, does that count? I've also regained a lot of time - more important than money - by convincing my family and friends to use Apple products, not sure if that counts.
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I make a living working with Apple products, does that count? I've also regained a lot of time - more important than money - by convincing my family and friends to use Apple products, not sure if that counts.
The obvious follow-on to that would be whether that work in any way involves the sale or commercial promotion of their products.
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The obvious follow-on to that would be whether that work in any way involves the sale or commercial promotion of their products.
No, I'm a reseller for Google products but not Apple.
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No, I'm a reseller for Google products but not Apple.
Lol, one is obliged to laugh. I'm guessing the boss doesn't know about your spare-time activity on the Interweb constantly dissing their stuff, and bigging-up the competition. Your secret's safe with us
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Old Sep 18, 2016 | 10:34 PM
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Lol, one is obliged to laugh. I'm guessing the boss doesn't know about your spare-time activity on the Interweb constantly dissing their stuff, and bigging-up the competition. Your secret's safe with us
I work for myself, it's still funny.
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Originally Posted by JackClark
I make a living working with Apple products, does that count? I've also regained a lot of time - more important than money - by convincing my family and friends to use Apple products, not sure if that counts.
Jack, you are a monster Apple fanboy troll.

refusing to accept the smallest or weakest mistake in an Apple product.

Stereo means deux speakers, at least.

iPhone 7 doesnt have them

get over it.

anyway the protruding camera is not all that spesh either.


Apple can confuse people like you by having 2 shades of black so its straight forward to them to pass of a product with amazing stereo sound when in fact its an illusion.

damn, that must hurt.

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Originally Posted by JackClark
No, I'm a reseller for Google products but not Apple.
now you are as ironic as Neil who got in a huff when ever I said the A word.

so lets get this right

Neil uses a HTC but seems to exhibit strong fanboy symptoms

Jack is clearly an iSheep fanatic but sells google products.

erm...
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Again, what kind of sucker would accept the stereo moniker for a phone with two speakers mounted on the bottom

Oh, you would

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Originally Posted by dpb
Again, what kind of sucker would accept the stereo moniker for a phone with two speakers mounted on the bottom

Oh, you would
And can't accept the fact that the iPhone has a speaker at both ends, and an innovative one at that.
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Originally Posted by toffee_pie
Jack, you are a monster Apple fanboy troll.

refusing to accept the smallest or weakest mistake in an Apple product.

Stereo means deux speakers, at least.

iPhone 7 doesnt have them

get over it.

anyway the protruding camera is not all that spesh either.


Apple can confuse people like you by having 2 shades of black so its straight forward to them to pass of a product with amazing stereo sound when in fact its an illusion.

damn, that must hurt.
Why can't you accept that the iPhone 7 has stereo speakers, are you trying to avert our attention from your last gaff? You know 3 days usage on a single charge.

Although the intro was amusing I'll be taking anything Ali G says with a pinch of salt, know what I mean star.
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have admire the nerve to post up random street urchins , who apparently have the last word on all things technical
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Originally Posted by toffee_pie
Jack, you are a monster Apple fanboy troll.

refusing to accept the smallest or weakest mistake in an Apple product.

Stereo means deux speakers, at least.

iPhone 7 doesnt have them

get over it.

Dude

From that article linked

"If you think putting another grille without no actual speaker in it is kind of dumb, then you don’t know Apple. I perfectly understand why they’ve done this: symmetry

Daring Fireball’s John Gruber, who has reviewed both new iPhones, acknowledged as much, saying this about the new stereo speaker setup:

The new speakers are great. Up until now, there was only one speaker on any iPhone, on the bottom right. The iPhones 7 now have a second speaker—the earpiece for phone calls now doubles as a proper audio speaker.

There are holes machined on the bottom, where the whatchamacallit jack used to go, that most people will think are another bottom-side speaker, but they’re just there for visual symmetry.

Gruber goes on to note that the new speakers are much louder even though they’re “on different axes” and it becomes especially evident when using an iPhone 7 in speakerphone mode. In addition to delivering two times the volume of the iPhone 6s, Apple claims the iPhone 7’s stereo system also provides “increased dynamic range.”

And because the new phones use speakers at the top and bottom of the handset, you will best experience stereo sound in landscape orientation.

There’s just one point to be made before I sign off: because it uses the earpiece instead of a second edge-mounted speaker to form stereo sound, the iPhone 7 won’t deliver as consistent stereo channel separation as your headphones.

In other words, in order to pick out discrete stereo channels your head should not be at a distance greater than about four feet from the device itself, according to audio engineers who spoke with AppleInsider."

and

"As confirmed by iFixit’s teardown analysis of the iPhone 7 Plus, the new speaker grille at the bottom houses a second mic, while the two times louder earpiece at the top of the device is used alongside the bottom speaker to form stereo sound"

Perhaps you are being confused by the terminology used, or what constitutes a "speaker" or what "stereo" actually means"?

The earpiece is, in fact, a speaker.

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Originally Posted by toffee_pie
now you are as ironic as Neil who got in a huff when ever I said the A word.

so lets get this right

Neil uses a HTC but seems to exhibit strong fanboy symptoms

Jack is clearly an iSheep fanatic but sells google products.

erm...
Once again, only in your funny little world.
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Who gives a flying toss about whether it is stereo or not, the sound is still cr@p coming out of the phones speakers, in fact it's cr@p for all phones. They in no way match the quality you get with headphones, evidence? just plug in your regular pair and see what I mean....oh wait.......
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Who gives a flying toss about whether it is stereo or not, the sound is still cr@p coming out of the phones speakers, in fact it's cr@p for all phones. They in no way match the quality you get with headphones, evidence? just plug in your regular pair and see what I mean....oh wait.......
Kind of funny and I agree you can't make them sound great but you can make them sound better.
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I popped into a store on the weekend to see the fuss surrounding the new iPhone 7's and I wasn't impressed. I can see no real benefit in upgrading with what the latest iPhone has to offer. For all intents and purposes it's nothing more than just an iPhone 6/6s that now comes as a shiny black model and minus headphone socket. Any improvements in processing power and camera quality is marginal and in most everyday scenarios you won't notice enough of an improvement to warrant forking out several hundred pounds for. In fact its probably better to get the 6s now that it's cheaper, though you'll have to be quick if you want a 64gb as Apple have cleverly done away with this model so as to not compete with the iphone7 32gb. Hopefully iPhone 8 will be worth the wait...I'm guessing many will be doing the same too.

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I popped into a store on the weekend to see the fuss surrounding the new iPhone 7's and I wasn't impressed. I can see no real benefit in upgrading with what the latest iPhone has to offer. For all intents and purposes it's nothing more than just an iPhone 6/6s that now comes as a shiny black model and minus headphone socket. Any improvements in processing power and camera quality is marginal and in most everyday scenarios you won't notice enough of an improvement to warrant forking out several hundred pounds for. In fact its probably better to get the 6s now that it's cheaper, though you'll have to be quick if you want a 64gb as Apple have cleverly done away with this model so as to not compete with the iphone7 32gb. Hopefully iPhone 8 will be worth the wait...I'm guessing many will be doing the same too.
Same here. had a look at the the 7 at the weekend. Looks far better but then I am comparing it to my 6 . I am like a lot of people who have 6 and are either jumping now to the 7 or thinking of holding off for one more year for the BIG one, i.e the Anniversary.
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Pour a bit of petrol on this one LOL.

This is probably a good reason why people go the iThings route.

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