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Old 16 September 2016, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by toffee_pie
The sheep in most peoples eyes are the Iphone fans, the sames ones queuing up over night for them and the same ones whose eyes have been covered up with so much wool that they are none the wiser as to control and dominance Apple have over them.
Do you wear a tinfoil hat?
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More sheep?

http://metro.co.uk/2012/05/30/queues...delays-450942/
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They're not queueing up to return the Note 7, Government intervention required.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/15/tech....html?adkey=bn

Good news is they're releasing a software patch to fix it in some countries rather than a recall, good on them.

"It's also offering a software patch in that country that prevents affected phones from charging about 60%"
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Originally Posted by toffee_pie
The sheep in most peoples eyes are the Iphone fans, the sames ones queuing up over night for them and the same ones whose eyes have been covered up with so much wool that they are none the wiser as to control and dominance Apple have over them.
Which is funny when your own links showed that more people follow the heard and buy Android devices.
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So what your saying is if you have a Bluetooth car stereo you don't need a Bluetooth car stereo adaptor, wise words mate.
I notice you tried to be cute here and avoided my response to this.

As for CPU scores, considering Apple use displays on the iPhone 7 models with much less resolution and size than on the Androids mentioned in the scores its hardly surprising the Apple scores much higher.

Coupled with the fact the iOS itself is far more basic and less challenging than the Android environment, - think widgets launched in iPhone 6 and the ability to delete apps in iOS 10.

https://pics.onsizzle.com/dear-iphon...us-1717312.png

There is no debate that the Apple scores high at all, lets be clear on this but you need to understand the reasons. Plus the multi core scores are far closer.

A new wave of Snapdragon cores are due out in Q4 2016 and Q1 2017 so the situation could change quite quickly.

Apple will enter the 21st century when they launch products with cutting edge displays (like Samsung do) and offer faster charging on the outdated lightning adapter and build in wireless charging into the devices.

Unlike the USB standard, the lightning does not seem to change with time and cannot support faster data rates or higher current, thus impacting on charge time and restricts the battery sizes available on iPhones.

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Which is funny when your own links showed that more people follow the heard and buy Android devices.
iSheep definition, applicable to yourself and others here.

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/submission/670/isheep
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Originally Posted by toffee_pie
iSheep definition, applicable to yourself and others here.

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/submission/670/isheep
Old 16 September 2016, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by toffee_pie
I notice you tried to be cute here and avoided my response to this.

As for CPU scores, considering Apple use displays on the iPhone 7 models with much less resolution and size than on the Androids mentioned in the scores its hardly surprising the Apple scores much higher.

Coupled with the fact the iOS itself is far more basic and less challenging than the Android environment, - think widgets launched in iPhone 6 and the ability to delete apps in iOS 10.

https://pics.onsizzle.com/dear-iphon...us-1717312.png

There is no debate that the Apple scores high at all, lets be clear on this but you need to understand the reasons. Plus the multi core scores are far closer.

A new wave of Snapdragon cores are due out in Q4 2016 and Q1 2017 so the situation could change quite quickly.

Apple will enter the 21st century then they launch products with cutting edge displays (like Samsung do) and offer faster charging on the outdated lightning adapter and build in wireless charging into the devices.

Unlike the USB standard, the lightning does not seem to change with time and cannot support faster data rates or higher current, thus impacting on charge time and restricts the battery sizes available on iPhones.
Please list all the wonderful apps I'm missing out on and can't be without( don't Mention printing, I do that on my android)
Old 16 September 2016, 02:18 PM
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No games please

We're over 15 here..Most of us anyway
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Please list all the wonderful apps I'm missing out on and can't be without( don't Mention printing, I do that on my android)
Don't question him, he'll just call you a fanboi/iSheep.
Old 16 September 2016, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Geezer
There's two ways of looking at this

Apple are a bunch grabbing *******s and now you will have to fork out for expensive earphones, with poor sound quality if you go wireless, or you can't listen to music whilst charging (a more important one, actually, is you can't use your phone for something like a long conference call with headphones as you would have to constantly keep unplugging them to charge it)

They are the first to ditch something which ultimately has to go if we want to move to super slim folding phones.

I suspect the answer is partly both, but driven more by the former, as that has always been the apple way.
yeah you have to hand to Apple

sometimes you do need tech companies to be adventurous and "break the mould" and Apple have always been good at that

I seem to remember there was a massive hoohah over the charging connector too

it is easily to get complacent and stuck in the past - I remember when PC's started appearing without floppy drives !!!

that'll never catch on I thought

I bet in 20 years time we will think "wow remember that old 3.5" jack"
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Courage
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Originally Posted by toffee_pie
I notice you tried to be cute here and avoided my response to this.
I'll humour you - for a monument or two.

You are equally selective with your responses

As for CPU scores, considering Apple use displays on the iPhone 7 models with much less resolution and size than on the Androids mentioned in the scores its hardly surprising the Apple scores much higher.
Lets be sensible here. the Apple devices have fantastic resolution. The android devices mentioned may be better, but its all relative. Personally I'd rather have speed with excellent resolution than a slower phone with even more excellent resolution. Notwothstanding that, its all just bragging rights for the pub for total techie geeks. Real world consumers really don't care.


Coupled with the fact the iOS itself is far more basic and less challenging than the Android environment, - think widgets launched in iPhone 6 and the ability to delete apps in iOS 10.
Some people like relative simplicity and ease of use. They don't want a challenging interface. its both a positive and a negative, again depending on what you want from it.


There is no debate that the Apple scores high at all, lets be clear on this but you need to understand the reasons. Plus the multi core scores are far closer.
Again, the vast majority of users don't care which one is that little tiny bit faster, let alone why that's the case. Its immaterial.

A new wave of Snapdragon cores are due out in Q4 2016 and Q1 2017 so the situation could change quite quickly.

Apple will enter the 21st century then they launch products with cutting edge displays (like Samsung do) and offer faster charging on the outdated lightning adapter and build in wireless charging into the devices.
And life will, miraculously, go on.

Unlike the USB standard, the lightning does not seem to change with time and cannot support faster data rates or higher current, thus impacting on charge time and restricts the battery sizes available on iPhones.
Again, a plus and a minus. Consistency is a good thing. And who uses a cable for data transfer from a phone these days?

I'll give you battery, however. But then with just one, consistent, connection, inits no hardship to charge from a multitude of sources as and when required. How many different types of "standard" USB connection are there? At least 6?
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Back on topic, Apple are now forcing Butt Plug manufacturers out of business and are making you use their proprietary subwoofer instead. Milking the iSheep.
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Originally Posted by toffee_pie
Unlike the USB standard, the lightning does not seem to change with time and cannot support faster data rates
I've just read that data transfer rates have been increased on the iPhone 7, have a custard pie.
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Don't question him, he'll just call you a fanboi/iSheep.
when you get constructive arguments with iSheep this is the usual response.
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Originally Posted by JackClark
Back on topic, Apple are now forcing Butt Plug manufacturers out of business and are making you use their proprietary subwoofer instead. Milking the iSheep.
looks very XXX rated there Jack.
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Originally Posted by JackClark
I've just read that data transfer rates have been increased on the iPhone 7, have a custard pie.
whoopeey, next all they need is faster charging current.
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Originally Posted by toffee_pie
whoopeey, next all they need is faster charging current.
We have faster charging when needed, iPad charger. I use now and then but know it's not great for the batteries, ask any owner of Samsung stock.
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Originally Posted by JackClark
We have faster charging when needed, iPad charger. I use now and then but know it's not great for the batteries, ask any owner of Samsung stock.
I see you continually having a swipe at Samsung, the Note 5 also got a huge battery plus wireless charging plus fast charge and it certainly makes a difference, of course if batteries are assembled incorrectly in the first place, well....

And Apple will probably use it in the next product, along with a decent display.

btw, you never got back to me about the bluetooth car audio discussion.

Think we all have better things to be doing on Friday night, this Samsung Vs Apple tit for tat will go on until the next millennia it looks like.

If the interweb was like this in the 80s it would have been Commodore 64 Vs Sinclair Spectrum (Sinclair all the way mind you)
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Originally Posted by toffee_pie
I see you continually having a swipe at Samsung, the Note 5 also got a huge battery plus wireless charging plus fast charge and it certainly makes a difference, of course if batteries are assembled incorrectly in the first place, well....

And Apple will probably use it in the next product, along with a decent display.

btw, you never got back to me about the bluetooth car audio discussion.

Think we all have better things to be doing on Friday night, this Samsung Vs Apple tit for tat will go on until the next millennia it looks like.

If the interweb was like this in the 80s it would have been Commodore 64 Vs Sinclair Spectrum (Sinclair all the way mind you)
It's not tit for tat, you're just being a tit, still are. I have no idea what you mean by Bluetooth car audio discussion? I use it, it's great.
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Originally Posted by JackClark
It's not tit for tat, you're just being a tit, still are. I have no idea what you mean by Bluetooth car audio discussion? I use it, it's great.
yeah, but with Apple iPhones you cant directly connect to the car bluetooth without an interface.

correct me if i am wrong.

anyways............
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You're wrong. Again. Give it up man find another campaign.
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dont think its as clear cut as that Jack

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6546416?start=0

have seen loads of these problems on car forums, and besides with the iOS10 upgrade difficulties it seems like Apple is human after all

You are making out Apple to be the invincibles, its what you do. The reality is that they are no better or worse than any manufacturer.

I posted up a lengthy post a while back with a whole series of links, when you got a bit nasty.

anyway, you love Apple. we get it
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Originally Posted by JackClark
We have faster charging when needed, iPad charger. I use now and then but know it's not great for the batteries, ask any owner of Samsung stock.
if you understood how fast charging actually worked you would realise you are talking a load of baloney.

Apple use Qualcomm LTE receivers already so they may well use quick charge 3.0 (if they can get it work with lightning) in the iPhone 8. - - try bookmarking this post.

leaving Samsung Note 7 out of the equation since they clearly have a battery supplier / QA issue, loads of other manufacturers use Quick Charge 2.0 and soon to be 3.0. The benefits indeed are huge and there are no adverse effects on the battery at all.

'However, traditional battery charging technology does not come close to the full power requirements of today's large batteries. Quick Charge is designed to allow device manufacturers to achieve the full rated capability of the batteries they choose while still meeting the performance and safety standards set by the battery manufacturer.'

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Nice of you to elucidate why you are better off with Apple


Fast charge obviously results in everything going up in smoke

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Maybe Samsung owners should stuff their units in the freezer for a week before attempting to pull off a fast charge
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Originally Posted by toffee_pie
dont think its as clear cut as that Jack

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6546416?start=0

have seen loads of these problems on car forums, and besides with the iOS10 upgrade difficulties it seems like Apple is human after all

You are making out Apple to be the invincibles, its what you do. The reality is that they are no better or worse than any manufacturer.

I posted up a lengthy post a while back with a whole series of links, when you got a bit nasty.

anyway, you love Apple. we get it
You wonder why I don't follow your links when you post links like that, some bloke who's iPhone won't connect to an aftermarket bluetooth device of unknown quality and you're there thinking no Apple phones work with Bluetooth, you do realise that the reason for your thread here is Apple's focus on Bluetooth.

Like I said, take a break from here, you're embarrassing yourself.
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Originally Posted by toffee_pie
if you understood how fast charging actually worked you would realise you are talking a load of baloney.

Apple use Qualcomm LTE receivers already so they may well use quick charge 3.0 (if they can get it work with lightning) in the iPhone 8. - - try bookmarking this post.

leaving Samsung Note 7 out of the equation since they clearly have a battery supplier / QA issue, loads of other manufacturers use Quick Charge 2.0 and soon to be 3.0. The benefits indeed are huge and there are no adverse effects on the battery at all.

'However, traditional battery charging technology does not come close to the full power requirements of today's large batteries. Quick Charge is designed to allow device manufacturers to achieve the full rated capability of the batteries they choose while still meeting the performance and safety standards set by the battery manufacturer.'
You're wrong again, some iPhones use Qualcomm for CDMA - US only I would think - Intel provide the LTE modem. http://www.anandtech.com/show/10687/...odems-and-more.

We know your phone needs a bigger battery because it has to work twice as hard to achieve half the performance - using your benchmarks - and that bigger battery would take too long to charge so they've had to implement fast charging which we know damages batteries, Note 7 anyone, that's nothing to brag about. You know what's better than quick charging, not needing quick charging.
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Originally Posted by JackClark
You wonder why I don't follow your links when you post links like that, some bloke who's iPhone won't connect to an aftermarket bluetooth device of unknown quality and you're there thinking no Apple phones work with Bluetooth, you do realise that the reason for your thread here is Apple's focus on Bluetooth.

Like I said, take a break from here, you're embarrassing yourself.
hahaha, the only ones getting embarrassed are iSheep, like yourself

How easy is it to fool them, all it takes is shoving some hollow plastic in place where the 3.5" audio jack should go and leaving another speaker grill empty. Its the stereo experience for iSheep fans.




I could dig up more bluetooh woes for fanboys but will save you the dignity.

I notice you quickly change the topic when i make life difficult for you, probably should discuss the local weather in your area now.

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