We only need one cold winter with a massive area of high pressure over Europe and the focus on building new plants, and maybe not shutting the others until they have been replaced, will probably occur. IMO.

 

well it is certainly wheels with wheels, according to reports the Chinese are pretty p1ssed of about it

which then would lead to pretty tense trade negotiations

 

I personally think its insanity that for such an important resource that this isn't done entirely 'in house' - the UK used to lead the world in Nuclear Research & Development......

 

Sounds like they are

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36943792

 

I agree, our own government should be funding this, not China! This is crazy and stupid.

 

It looks like our new PM thinks the same.

 

Send in Boris - that'll put an end to it (and him with a bit of luck)


Just build a couple of smaller cheaper plants with HS2 money.


But ebay/generator might be a plan. Buggered if I want to sit in the cold and dark


david

 

I'm on the lookout for a Lister Start-O-Matic to retore and use ready for the energy apocolypse.

 

Anyone that has spent any time in Nigeria will smile at the power outage concerns. The power supply company was NEPA known colloquially as "Never Any Power Anywhere" Deep freezes would melt and refreeze and generators were common place. One major downside was the need to use the stairs rather than the lifts and 5 flights with briefcase and 90% humidity was no fun


David

 

F_U_C_K the chinese !

NO WAY SHOULD THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT PERMIT SUCH AN IMPORTANT PROJECT IN THE HANDS OF THE CHINESE

 

Nor any other foreign power.
By all means borrow the money and hire the skills to build it from wherever you get the best deal, but FFS don't let them OWN it

 

but the whole point of the Brexit debate was that the UK becomes a "free trading" nation and specifically not part of any trading bloc - are you suggesting we can afford to p1ss off one of the biggest trading nations?

we have already p1ssed of the EU, now the Chinese

the mantra of the "free traders" - I.e most of the Brexiters is that the UK IS "open for business" to the rest of the world and we sell our national assets

 

I don't think that was the narrative proposed by Brexit.
Open for business obviously , but not open to sell our national security to a nation who's long term strategy is not fully known -But given its provocation in the south china sea and sabre rattling with japan and the Philippines is obviously not prepared to take a back seat in the future of world politics.
A country that is a power house of hacking .
I DON'T TRUST THE CHINESE.

Sovereignty of our power , water and military is paramount .

 

I think you might be 30 years too late

you might find the book Private Island by James Meek enlightening

https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...es-meek-review

and a process of selling the UK assets accelerated right up until 2015

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6786926.html

 

Sure they'll get pi55ed off, but it's business and they know it, and until the contract is signed there is no contract. So it's only their egos and aspirations that have been damaged. They'll get over it when we get through this temporary turmoil and (hopefully) emerge as a stronger and independant global partner.
As far as BREXIT goes, I voted to remain, but that doesn't matter. What's done is done and we need to step up and make this work. I have no problem with the UK conducting fair and ethical trading with any nation on the planet. This isn't 'trade' in the normal sense though, is it.
This is the transference of ownership of part of our national industrial and energy infrastructure to a foreign power with, at the very best, questionable trading ethics and no conscience about how they get what they want. And BTW it's not just the Chinese I have an objection to selling out to, any foreign nation should have no holding power over our ability to support our national industry or population.

Look at what happened with TATA! That worked really well didn't it. Sell off the asset to foreign management for a fast buck, and when the **** hits the fan they drop us like a hot coal. This latest attempt to hive off the UK's wealth is just more of the same insanity.

Are we really saying it's a good idea to go on depleting our industrial and economic resources to the benefit of foreign governments? Utter nonsense is what it is.

 

This has just popped up by coincidence

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...pute-Australia

 

That's about their mark, a bit like Russia.
Without the brain!
Like we really need that kind of business mentality with more footholds in this country.

 

yes, I sort of agree with most of that

but the underlying philosophical economic argument from the (Tory) Brexiters is diametrically opposed to the sentiments in your post

 

Fortunately TM was a 'remainer' and will hopefully provide some restraint against the asset strippers. I'm sure BoJo will have a sticky paw in the pie though.

 

Economic issues can be set aside here. The real questions is simple. Do we really want to be in the power of a country that aligns itself not only with Putin's Russia but with the madmen of North Korea? I think not.

 

 

Oh no, the Chinese are dismayed at our dalliance in making a decision about Hinkley.
From the BBC, "The Chinese Ambassador Liu Xiaoming said the delay to approving the plant had brought the two countries to a "crucial historical juncture".He hinted that "mutual trust" could be in jeopardy if the UK Government decided not to approve the deal."


I have no issues with Chinese individuals, but does anybody really (I mean really) trust the Chinese as a nation? They have proved themselves to be excellent at diving, but unfortunately they are pretty good at ducking as well

 

They certainly dissing May !

 

China?! HA! We don't need their investment! We've got our friends in Eur.... oh.

 

Cameron/Osborne negotiated an incredibly poor deal for the UK in which it would allow EDF/Chinese state controlled investors complete control the facility and to charge a guarenteed £92.50 per megawatt hour, the current price is £38 per megawatt hour!! Whilst this is deal is geared massively to the foriegn investors benefit, from a national security point of view, China could potentially hold the UK ransom and potentially do whatever it likes with the nuclear facility, a country who in all likelihood would be potential enemy of the UK in an unstable world and send the facility in to meltdown. I hope our new PM will withdraw from this very bad deal for our country's sake.

By all means trade with China, but not with our energy and utilities, what next outsource the running of HMNB Clyde to a Chinese state controlled company!?

 

Like France you mean?
Why would we give them control of a nuclear facility in our country?


Absolutely