markjmd

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Noone was ever under any illusion that Trump was only talking about Mexican immigrants to the US. The fact that you seem to think they were proves that:
1. You have absolutely no clue just how many Mexicans enter the US illegally (otherwise, you'd understand that even if Trump is only talking about the immigrants, he's still labelling millions upon millions of ordinary Mexicans as criminals and rapists).
2. You have absolutely no clue as to why the majority of them do so (otherwise you'd understand that the very reason most of them are trying to get into the US to begin with is to escape the rampant corruption, crime, rape and drug abuse which is rife in their own country).

Interesting, in the same way staring into space at a very large asteroid heading roughly towards Earth might be interesting, and wondering whether it will actually hit.

gary77

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Correct .nobody that heard what he actually said .
But the media did report it as him talking about mexicans in general or do you not agree with that . That is all im talking about .

I do not believe they are btw(mostly rapists and drug smugglers etc)

If you could read the post i made after the one you quoted maybe you will understand me better !

gary77

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Trumps statement about the comment

“What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.”

Has he since denied saying it like hodgy says ?

Or has he denied the claims by the media that he said mexicans are criminals,drug dealers and rapists.

dpb

He's reinforcing a stereotype to his own ends

It's near to racism as you'll get , the Mexicans have always been used/ abused .

In the very early sixties the seasonal farm labourers were treated like ****e / separated off from decent white folk according my mother there on work experience during degree course ( California )

hodgy0_2

Where have I said that?

gary77

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I was refering to this

and tries to argue that the media misrepresented him - what he fails to see is that we can all read what Trump said - it is quoted

Sorry i thought you said he denied saying it .

Do you really not think he was misrepresented by some media sources ?

gary77

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If what he said is true . That the mexican government are sending the worst kind of people .rapists etc . Would it still be racist of him to point it out . And if its not true and he knows it (which is most likely)Is it worse that he was very nearly racist(if we consider mexican to be a race ,which it isnt) in some peoples opinions or is worse that he was talking ****e /telling lies .

Should the focus not be on if he was talking ****e or not . Or is it not worth talking about because nobody actually believed gim anyway ?

And i should point out that the comment was directed at the mexican government not actually mexicans at all . His point was that the government are sending there worst to america etc etc etc

hodgy0_2

No, because I can not only read what he said, I heard him say it in a speech

Why do you think he said specifically that Mexicans were rapist, given that everyone from Algerians, to Germans through Swiss, Russians, Albanians the English, Australians, kiwis, Brazilians, the Danes and Irish are all rapists ( I could obviously list every single country on the planet )

Indeed rapists are both fat, thin, bald, hairy, short, tall and sometimes even ginger

What do you think he meant when he said "they're rapists, and some"

gary77

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I think he ment that the mexican government are sending the worst kind of people into america not there best people .the worst . They are sending rapists and people with drugs

I think thats what everybody thinks he ment .(everybody that heard him say it )

Not how you read into it that all mexicans are rapists etc etc

And he didnt say mexicans are rapists or at least ive bot heard him say it.

And at the time he was talking about the border with mexico and the imagrants from there so why would he talk about rapists from other countries ?

So he talked specifically about the mexican imagrants . Because he was talking about what he sees as one of americas problems that need looking at .

gary77

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Ive highlighted where you misrepresent what he said

It should read ....why do you think he said specifically that Mexican imagrants being sent by the mexican government, some are rapist .

But that would be a totally different question .

The answer to that question is , either he believes it is true or more likely ans this is hard to explain he understands that talking like that will gain him respect from a large portion of america , partly because they want someone who doesnt speak like a politician and they want the fighting talk . i believe there are a few other reasons one is the border control and imagration is something a lot of people want stricter control of and a lot of people are fed up of the pc bull**** going around.he could hardly do all that if he doesnt have people believe that he thinks the imigrants are mostly bad people and if he doesnt have everyone else think that they are mostly bad people .

Ive read a thing on the washington post which points to the imagrants not being as bad as americans.

Which i believe . What annoys me is the talk about what he said revolves around racism not whether or not he was talking ****e


Do i think all that will make a good president . I dont know but i like how different it is . I like how he talks more on my level ( interperet that how you like lol) and i like the non pc ness of it all . I find it interesting how well he has done and i will be very interested to see how he is as president if it actually happens .

It probably wont though and things will carry on as normal whatever normal is nowadays .

hodgy0_2

Well America get all sorts of immigration from all over the world - so why single out Mexicans

And what evidence to you have that the Mexican government "send" anyone

gary77

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He goes into rants . If i remember correctly that rant started with gim talking about how other countries do better than america how they are pulling america down . Did he not say something about china first then moved onto mexico and then went on about the border and then about the kind of people crossing it illegally . Its just where his rant went .

I havent looked into whether what he said was true or not i just assumed it was bull****

And ive said it a couple of times now . The debate about what he said should focus on if it was bull**** or not . Not that he was racist to say it or not.

And its hard to find what news outlets misrepresented what he said . By saying he was talking about all mexicans .but i believe they did . There are some examples in the you tube video posted earlier as well.

But why misrepresent him instead of pointing out he was talking **** . That in itself kind of makes out that what he said was true and the only way to weaken him is to misrepresent him . I find that strange

hodgy0_2

Sure, play the "its all a joke" card

Reminds me of that redundant narrative trope of "its all a dream" - of Bobby Ewing fame

having your cake and eating it

gary77

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Was that directed at me . Where did i play the its all a joke card .

hodgy0_2

You seemed to suggest it was all bull****

I am conflating bullsh1t and "its all a joke"

markjmd

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OK, since you seem so insistent on the fact that so long as it was clear Trump was only talking about Mexican immigrants to America and not all Mexicans, it wouldn't be insulting for him to call the majority of them drug dealers, rapists and other types of criminal, would you mind answering the following:
- How many immigrants do you believe are travelling to America from Mexico?
- How large do you think the population of Mexico is in total?
- At what point do you think it would cease to be realistic that measured as a proportion of the latter, the quantity of the former might consist primarily of criminals?
- Knowing that crime levels in many parts of Mexico are in reality far higher than those in most parts of America, do you yourself believe it's more likely that the majority of immigrants travelling from the former to the latter would be doing so for the purposes of committing yet more crime, or doing so for the purposes of escaping the higher crime levels in their country of origin?

Martin2005

If it was racist or bull**** doesn't really matter. Either are good enough reason to not want that racist or bull****ting clown as leader of the free world

gary77

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I dont believe his claim is true . No . Ive said it a few times now

gary77

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However unlikely there is the third option of it being true .
That the mexican government encourage the worst of there society to move to america

gary77

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Do you mean where i say trump was probably talking bull **** .

I ment telling lies !

gary77

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I think trump wants to control who gets into america.in the case of mexico i think he wants to be able to choose if its criminals or good people .

I would take a wild guess he feels the same about imagrants from all countries.

His style is to put it in a non pc way and to say in ways a normal politician would not

The media concentrate to much on his non pc ness and not enough on what his point actually is or his claims .

I dont think anyone really wants to debate normally with him

gary77

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Or more accuratly exagerating the truth

markjmd

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EFA. And there's a very good reason for that, if you think about it.

gary77

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I did mean that they dont want to . He exagerates the truth but it seams to me that people prefer to get into debates about the kind of person he is rather than the things he is exagerating .

Does anyone know why he said the mexican government are sending anyone good or bad ?

There was a thing way back in 2005 where the mexican government were accused of handing out leaflets to help people get into america illegaly .
Other than that ive not read about anything else.

Im guessing there is something in what he said but has he gone into details of it . Has anyone asked what he ment or why he said it .

The whole hype surrounding his statement revolved around him being racist what about his claim they (mexican government) are sending there worst kind of people . Has anyone asked him about that .

I can see why a country would like to do that . If i was prime minister of an independant scotland it would be great if i could send all the criminals and others that dont do anything to make scotland a better place, to england.

Would the pm of england then say Gary is sending rapists from scotland im going to build a wall. Would the english citizens want to know if i actually was or would they want a debate over whether there pm is racist


So i can understand why mexico might encourage it . But do they and how .

Id like that to have been the debate instead of if hes racist or not .

Is it at all possable if he becomes president that he might actually do well in making america better even with his crazy style

Another thought is , i think everybody knows he exagerates the truth for effect . But they dont care because at the base of it is an issue they want something done about . He talks like a person thats determined to make changes and doesnt care about those that only talk about his mad style.in fact its probably better for him if they talk about him being nuts or racist etc instead of the things he is talking about

Normally a politician will be very careful how they say something . They have to be very pc . People dont want that and trump is going to extremes to show he will say whatever he wants . And because at the core of what he says there is a real issue that people want sorting they are happy to have him even being a bit mental about it.

And Its basically a massive twos up to the upper class pc bull**** politicians.

I have no doubt he wants a better america and he wants to be remembered for being the man that changed politics .

But i dont think he will be president or if he is he will be killed before anything actually changes .

Turbohot

Harsh.....

https://www.theguardian.com/global/v...the-face-video

JTaylor

Tweeted by my pastor this morning:

"The world on sex:

Be free, be yourself, do whatever makes you happy! It's your life!...

p.s.Donald Trump's desire for women is evil."

Turbohot

Jimbi, first few lines of your post tell us about your pastor's general understanding of the world; in terms of sex. To be honest with you, not everyone in the world thinks like that about sex. Some people are bound with their morals and principles etc., which, I think, is a good thing. Freedom at the cost of someone else's heartache is a bad one imo. It's like that freebie DT, wanting to do something sexual to someone for his own happiness; to a married woman who doesn't really want to respond to his happiness. He causes her and her husband (if he comes to know about it) a misery. Therefore, I agree with you 100% that Trump's desire for ladies is evil. He's just a dunderhead- not fit to be even nominated as a potential president of a prominent country. Generally speaking (like your pastor), the American world seems to have gone bonkers for even nominating him and supporting him.

PS: I believe your pastor was being sarcastic on Trump and his dunderhead supporters. Your pastor has a good sense of humous.

Paben

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"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" Your pastor is plainly a Thelemite and probably an occultist too. Better watch out if he gets you running widdershins around your church!

JTaylor

http://twistedsifter.com/videos/bad-...ential-debate/

joz8968

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Wow, that is indeed amazing. Pure genius.