Turbohot

You make some good points there.

Geezer

It won't happen. Even with a fairly buoyant oil industry, they rejected it, so there's no chance she will get it through now. As for EU membership, I can see plenty of Scots wanting that, but that isn't going to happen either. Spain have pretty much said no, and as any new member state application has to be ratified by all 27 member states, well, it just won't happen.

Where would that leave an independent Scotland?

dpb

Truly committed to the principle

You never know , they may just fall for it

hodgy0_2

and the reason that Spain will reject Scotland's application has actually little to do with the merits of Scotland's application, but more to do with internal politics around an independent Basque region being able to join the EU

Just another thing the Brexiters don't get in their simplistic fantasy world

and that is the role of global politics in all these negotiations,

we saw a glimpse of it over Hinkley point and the Chinese

What about negotiations with the South America trading bloc - the Falklands will inevitably be on the table

Span is already using Gibraltar as a negotiating point

dpb

I reckon Falklands are as good as gone already , worthless anyway

JTaylor

I understand there's a barrel or two of oil knocking around.

dpb

Exactly

dpb

Good luck with your healthcare Alcazar , Spanish don't seem to be towing the line now were out .
I thought the French/else wouldn't Really care about the 200k 'propping' up their rural economy ...
Will loads be flogging off their holiday homes now ? Especially now the pounds dived

JackClark

Those who 'can't vote' include British Expats, 16-17-year-olds, EU migrants living in the UK (the latter can vote on everything else apart from General Elections but not the EU Referendum)

Turbohot

'Didn't vote' is probably a bigger factor than 'Can't vote', in contributing towards the 'Leavers' winning the referendum. I say 'probably', because we don't know how many out of them would have swung to Remain or to Leave.

Geezer

People who want change are usually more vocal, I would say. I imagine the majority of people who wanted out, voted. That's not to say that the majority of people who didn't vote particularly wanted to stay in, they may well have been ambivalent towards the whole thing, but it may well mean that we are leaving the EU on a minority of people who want out.

Can't vote is more interesting, I think. The young generally want in, as do ex pats living abroad.

But, the govt has a clear mandate........... Not sure for what, though

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

I know quite a few ex pats living in Spain and from conversation nearly all of them would have voted to leave the EU!

Most are pensioners though.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

I'm for all campers and dolphins (intents and purposes) an ex-pat, I'd have voted in but was out of the country at the time, my reasoning, it would make my life slightly easier, nothing more, nothing less. I have zero political affiliations, mostly because I think none of them operate in anyones but their own best interest.

I'm still amazed that there are people in this world that think politicians do.

BMWhere?

I know quite a few ex-pats in Spain and Germany who would have voted to remain if they hadn't been denied the right to vote!

hodgy0_2

I was out of the country too

I did a postal vote, easy

And in fact my daughter was out in SE Asia too, she did a proxy vote, again easy

Two ways to do it, both pretty straightforward

neil-h

Woh woh woh I won't be having that. Fair enough about the campers but the thing about dolphins is a bit unfair. I know it's an easy mistake but they're entirely different sub-species of cetacea.

For future reference:

JackClark

Government loses Article 50 court fight

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37857785

JackClark

On-the-bog

What a great way to muddy the waters and cause even more unrest. Pound, shares all gonna take a hit.

Turbohot

Boris says that Brexit will be a Titanic success!

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...Q&ocid=UE07DHP

Perhaps he means that Brexit would wreck the country in the same way as an iceberg wrecked the Titanic, and the ship ended up drowning.

On-the-bog

I take it back, its climbing rapidly. Even though they have said it wont change the outcome as most MP's will back leave.

JackClark

Most MP's want to keep their jobs, most Brexiters are not regular voters.

dpb

Dealers

On-the-bog

If you were one would you take that risk?

JackClark

Yes.

hodgy0_2

yes, this is interesting

and in a way validated by Ditchy's post

a leaver in Ditchy's situation, i.e. being abroad would have voted (postal or proxy)

Brexit seemed to galvanise people who did not usually vote

I think we had multiple examples on the this very thread of people saying that they did not usually vote - but where going to vote leave

and it maybe how Trump gets elected in the US

On-the-bog

TBH the whole US election thing is a farce, you have one candidate who should be in prison

EddScott

How she's evaded capture I don't know


Don't think it will make much difference. Parliament will vote to enact A50.

David Lock

Wonderful news. of course it will be appealed so I guess it's 50/50.


I am not convinced the House would support an exit and I also think it may have dawned on many Daily Mail xenophobes who shrilly shouted OUT that it might not be all that it was cracked up to be. And the price of Marmite for goodness sake So many youngsters want to stay and they are the future so we should heed what they want. It may have even been noticed that those in the OUT club, who can read, that some dinky trade deal with Canada and the EC took 7 years to rush through but only after they leant on a couple of Belgium dicks


I don't hold up much hope for the EU in the longer term as they seem to have got the basic parameters wrong - Greece being a good example - but I think we should hang on in there and walk away with the tasty bits when it all goes **** up.


Not exactly May Day


David

On-the-bog

Thinking about it, its a good thing the outcome was what it was.

While the majority want it to happen in this case, what it has effectively said the PM can't just make a decision on her or his own. That is a god thing.

However, MP's need to realize the majority (1 vote more is a majority, who how many etc is irrelevant, despite what people will claim) voted to leave and they should respect that choice.