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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 06:02 PM
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I guessed it was something anyone outside a bible class convert would never bothered with and I was right.

Almost bound to be haha
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 06:26 PM
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It gets better, lads. We haven't touched on predation yet.
Oh yes good point. The church full of sinful goings on with choir boys!
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 06:27 PM
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I guessed it was something anyone outside a bible class convert would never bothered with and I was right.

Almost bound to be haha
If he truly believes that the scenario (he called it silly, I call it entirely possible) is OK, that takes guts to admit, far more than me calling an imaginary being evil

Im guessing I won't get a straight answer though, does he have the guts?
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 06:44 PM
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So you'd be happy for your creation to not know you? To not enter in to a loving relationship with you? How would your creation know love? Would they be self replicating? Lots of work to make this analogy stick, Paben.

This response is bordering on the weird. Why on earth would I want or expect my creations to know me, to love me or enter into loving relationships with me? What does that even mean? Would I expect a car I had built from the ground up to have this sort of relationship with me? Of course I would not, that would be an indicator of a serious underlying form of madness. Yet God, our alleged Creator, expects this love and devotion from us or it's off to Hell with us. As we are supposed to have been created in His image presumably he is suffering from, at the very least, a massive narcissism.
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 06:45 PM
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Bulldog, anyone who thinks the author of the Sermon on the Mount is evil requires my prayer. I'll also ask my church to pray for you and ask that the Lord has mercy on you.

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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JGlanzaV
Oh yes good point. The church full of sinful goings on with choir boys!
Abuse a boy on Tuesday, repent and confess on Saturday, recieve the glory of the Lord on Sunday

Have a day off on Monday

Abuse a boy on Tuesday, repent and confess on Saturday, recieve the glory of the Lord on Sunday

Rinse and repeat - until caught

Almost as if it is designed for it

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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Paben
This response is bordering on the weird. Why on earth would I want or expect my creations to know me, to love me or enter into loving relationships with me? What does that even mean? Would I expect a car I had built from the ground up to have this sort of relationship with me? Of course I would not, that would be an indicator of a serious underlying form of madness. Yet God, our alleged Creator, expects this love and devotion from us or it's off to Hell with us. As we are supposed to have been created in His image presumably he is suffering from, at the very least, a massive narcissism.
So you'd be an absent father then?
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 07:01 PM
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So you'd be an absent father then?

How is that relevant?
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 07:08 PM
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Bulldog, anyone who thinks the author of the Sermon on the Mount is evil requires my prayer. I'll also ask my church to pray for you and ask that the Lord has mercy on you.
I "require" your prayer? Again wow, just wow, please don't waste any part of your life praying for me, have u not got anything better you could be doing? enjoy ur time whilst u are here, it's all you have got, u must be able to think of a better use of your time,

Go visit your relatives?
Kiss your wife?
Play with your children?

All the above are much better uses of your time than wasting it praying for me, how about if I pray that you don't pray for me? Would that work? Now there's one to mentally wrangle over
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by britishbulldog
I "require" your prayer? Again wow, just wow, please don't waste any part of your life praying for me, have u not got anything better you could be doing? enjoy ur time whilst u are here, it's all you have got, u must be able to think of a better use of your time,

Go visit your relatives?
Kiss your wife?
Play with your children?

All the above are much better uses of your time than wasting it praying for me, how about if I pray that you don't pray for me? Would that work? Now there's one to mentally wrangle over
He doesn't have a wife because he would rather sin or if he does marry force his bull**** beliefs on her
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 07:24 PM
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He doesn't have a wife because he would rather sin or if he does marry force his bull**** beliefs on her
So living in sin, assuming no sex before marriage then, so presumably virgin or

Sinning and choosing to ignore gods word because it benefits himself?

Heading for hell



NO, wait



Already believes, can repent




Phew close shave there, damn u must be relieved
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by britishbulldog
So living in sin, assuming no sex before marriage then, so presumably virgin or

Sinning and choosing to ignore gods word because it benefits himself?

Heading for hell



NO, wait



Already believes, can repent




Phew close shave there, damn u must be relieved
Yep. It is the 11th commandment.

Thou shalt get ones ***** wet if hypocrisy is not a sin.
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Paben
How is that relevant?
Ordinarily being a creator is synonymous with fatherhood. That's how it's relevant.
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JGlanzaV
Yep. It is the 11th commandment.

Thou shalt get ones ***** wet if hypocrisy is not a sin.
he would die for him though, but keeping it in his pants is a step too far
Guess everyone has their limits
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Ordinarily being a creator is synonymous with fatherhood. That's how it's relevant.
That's a very well worded response, but does nothing to answer the question asked of you, as usual, but I give you your dues, it does sound very good, have you thought of becoming an author, you employ good use of the English language.

Sadly you have failed to answer a single question put to you in the past few pages, I had the "guts" to answer your question, u failed to give me the same courtesy? Now that is not very Christian is it?
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by britishbulldog
he would die for him though, but keeping it in his pants is a step too far
Guess everyone has their limits
Yep. He also never answered the question about what he would do if his girlfriend found faith but not Christianity. ...
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by britishbulldog
That's a very well worded response, but does nothing to answer the question asked of you, as usual, but I give you your dues, it does sound very good, have you thought of becoming an author, you employ good use of the English language.

Sadly you have failed to answer a single question put to you in the past few pages, I had the "guts" to answer your question, u failed to give me the same courtesy? Now that is not very Christian is it?
Some of the questions you have asked I have no immediate answer for. Apologies.
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 08:01 PM
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Well it's finally happened. This threads finally descended into the realms of daftness. I guess it had to happen eventually.
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JGlanzaV
Yep. He also never answered the question about what he would do if his girlfriend found faith but not Christianity. ...
Again, and I think I said this at the time, I simply pray that I don't find myself in that position.
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Some of the questions you have asked I have no immediate answer for. Apologies.
No need to apologise, I can see how you would struggle to answer some of the questions

In my life none of these situations are even a possibility I just use logic and seem to get by ok

As Judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense, it isn't true
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Ordinarily being a creator is synonymous with fatherhood. That's how it's relevant.

Being a creator is not synonymous with fatherhood. I'm sure the creators of Microsoft, Samsung, Facebook, Apple, even ScoobyNet, don't regard themselves as fathers, nor do they demand that their creations revere and adore them. I don't require my cars to abase themselves before me, nor do I give them a bashing if they misbehave. But appparently God doesn't afford miserable humans the same consideration. This is not really the behaviour one might expect from a supposedly superior being, more a petulant child.
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by britishbulldog
No need to apologise, I can see how you would struggle to answer some of the questions

In my life none of these situations are even a possibility I just use logic and seem to get by ok

As Judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense, it isn't true
I'm surprised you didn't cite the omnipotence paradox, that's what really clever anti-Christians normally do.
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Paben
Being a creator is not synonymous with fatherhood. I'm sure the creators of Microsoft, Samsung, Facebook, Apple, even ScoobyNet, don't regard themselves as fathers, nor do they demand that their creations revere and adore them. I don't require my cars to abase themselves before me, nor do I give them a bashing if they misbehave. But appparently God doesn't afford miserable humans the same consideration. This is not really the behaviour one might expect from a supposedly superior being, more a petulant child.
None of the creations you speak of have a soul.
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Old Feb 25, 2016 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I'm surprised you didn't cite the omnipotence paradox, that's what really clever anti-Christians normally do.
Apologies for not being a really clever Anti-Christian and quoting the omnipotence paradox as I have no idea what it is

I think whatever it is though, my judge Judy quote sums it up much better

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Originally Posted by JTaylor
None of the creations you speak of have a soul.

They are just as likely (or unlikely) to have a soul as a human being. Impossible to prove either way of course.
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Originally Posted by britishbulldog
Apologies for not being a really clever Christian and quoting the omnipotence paradox as I have no idea what it is

I think whatever it is though, my judge Judy quote sums it up much better
I said really clever "anti-Christians". Google is your friend.

Quick edit. Noted.

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Originally Posted by Paben
They are just as likely (or unlikely) to have a soul as a human being. Impossible to prove either way of course.
So you're of the opinion that silicon, software and machinery is as likely to have a soul as a human. Surely it would be easier for you to state that humans are soulless. That way we have an objection to the nature of love, a statement that God is evil and one that humans are soulless all from team atheist. Jolly bunch aren't you?

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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I'm surprised you didn't cite the omnipotence paradox, that's what really clever anti-Christians normally do.
mmmm [fires up google]
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ah, ok the old "unstoppable force meets immovable object"


I believe Chuck Norris has the answer to that
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Originally Posted by Paben
They are just as likely (or unlikely) to have a soul as a human being. Impossible to prove either way of course.
How would an inanimate object have a soul?
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