Scripture vs. the facts.
23 February 2016, 08:38 PM
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If they all use the same methodology, they'll draw the same conclusion, unless it's bad exegesis in which case they'll draw bad conclusions. Much the same as science has 'good' and 'bad' scientists, theology has good and bad theologians.
23 February 2016, 09:55 PM
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Okay , thanks , and if you could use words a less educated person like myself can understand I'd appreciate it
Also I'm concerned that if I choose thhe wrong religion I will **** God off , how can I know which religion is right
Also I'm concerned that if I choose thhe wrong religion I will **** God off , how can I know which religion is right
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23 February 2016, 09:58 PM
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23 February 2016, 10:09 PM
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Keep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for. Keep on seeking, and you will find. Keep on knocking, and the door will be opened to
Okay this could take a long time , I'm not even sure why I need to find him , would it be good enough to just be a good person ,
I have this idea that God's understanding and as long as I don't do anything really bad he'll be cool and st me into heaven , but then there is a problem , my dad was a bit of a **** at times and he might not be there , but then my older brother that I never met has to be , see God took him after making him suffer when he was only 3 ,
I should try getting to heaven
Or maybe it's all bull**** and I should just try living a good life being a decent person
Okay this could take a long time , I'm not even sure why I need to find him , would it be good enough to just be a good person ,
I have this idea that God's understanding and as long as I don't do anything really bad he'll be cool and st me into heaven , but then there is a problem , my dad was a bit of a **** at times and he might not be there , but then my older brother that I never met has to be , see God took him after making him suffer when he was only 3 ,
I should try getting to heaven
Or maybe it's all bull**** and I should just try living a good life being a decent person
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23 February 2016, 10:16 PM
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Keep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for. Keep on seeking, and you will find. Keep on knocking, and the door will be opened to
Okay this could take a long time , I'm not even sure why I need to find him , would it be good enough to just be a good person ,
I have this idea that God's understanding and as long as I don't do anything really bad he'll be cool and st me into heaven , but then there is a problem , my dad was a bit of a **** at times and he might not be there , but then my older brother that I never met has to be , see God took him after making him suffer when he was only 3 ,
I should try getting to heaven
Or maybe it's all bull**** and I should just try living a good life being a decent person
Okay this could take a long time , I'm not even sure why I need to find him , would it be good enough to just be a good person ,
I have this idea that God's understanding and as long as I don't do anything really bad he'll be cool and st me into heaven , but then there is a problem , my dad was a bit of a **** at times and he might not be there , but then my older brother that I never met has to be , see God took him after making him suffer when he was only 3 ,
I should try getting to heaven
Or maybe it's all bull**** and I should just try living a good life being a decent person
23 February 2016, 10:26 PM
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23 February 2016, 10:33 PM
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Okay , so I've asked , I think , how exactly do I ask and how do I know if he's in my life now , I'm guessing it's a problem if I have a large amount of doubt that he even exists , do I have to somehow replace my doubt with blind faith before he'll be in my life ?
23 February 2016, 10:35 PM
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Do you have a Bible to hand?
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24 February 2016, 08:26 AM
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"If they all use the same starting point" - i.e. God exist, Jesus is the son of god etc etc
the analogy with science is false as science has no preconceived starting point
#529 sums it up nicely
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24 February 2016, 09:14 AM
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The above makes moot your closing point.
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The problem as I see it is this:
I personally do not believe there is a God, however I am not arrogant enough to categorically state that there 100% cannot be a God as there are many things we do not know, so my standpoint is, I don't believe in God but if it were proved there was a God I would be happy to acknowledge that fact
Therefore I am open to the fact there may be a God however unlikely this seems to me
Jtaylor can you answer this one
Question:
Are you open to the possibility that there is no God? My assumption is that you are not, please correct me if my assumption is incorrect
I personally do not believe there is a God, however I am not arrogant enough to categorically state that there 100% cannot be a God as there are many things we do not know, so my standpoint is, I don't believe in God but if it were proved there was a God I would be happy to acknowledge that fact
Therefore I am open to the fact there may be a God however unlikely this seems to me
Jtaylor can you answer this one
Question:
Are you open to the possibility that there is no God? My assumption is that you are not, please correct me if my assumption is incorrect
24 February 2016, 09:44 AM
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The problem as I see it is this:
I personally do not believe there is a God, however I am not arrogant enough to categorically state that there 100% cannot be a God as there are many things we do not know, so my standpoint is, I don't believe in God but if it were proved there was a God I would be happy to acknowledge that fact
Therefore I am open to the fact there may be a God however unlikely this seems to me
Jtaylor can you answer this one
Question:
Are you open to the possibility that there is no God? My assumption is that you are not, please correct me if my assumption is incorrect
I personally do not believe there is a God, however I am not arrogant enough to categorically state that there 100% cannot be a God as there are many things we do not know, so my standpoint is, I don't believe in God but if it were proved there was a God I would be happy to acknowledge that fact
Therefore I am open to the fact there may be a God however unlikely this seems to me
Jtaylor can you answer this one
Question:
Are you open to the possibility that there is no God? My assumption is that you are not, please correct me if my assumption is incorrect
https://www.scoobynet.com/1030715-fo...l#post11750810
and my position hasn't changed. I quote Hebrews 11:1 on that thread and I'll add to it on this one by quoting 1 Peter 1:8 and John 20:29. I'd be grateful for some feedback on the verses.
24 February 2016, 09:47 AM
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Morning, BB and thank you for the question. Your assumption is incorrect. Devildog asked me the same question last year:
https://www.scoobynet.com/1030715-fo...l#post11750810
and my position hasn't changed. I quote Hebrews 11:1 on that thread and I'll add to it on this one by quoting 1 Peter 1:8 and John 20:29. I'd be grateful for some feedback on the verses.
https://www.scoobynet.com/1030715-fo...l#post11750810
and my position hasn't changed. I quote Hebrews 11:1 on that thread and I'll add to it on this one by quoting 1 Peter 1:8 and John 20:29. I'd be grateful for some feedback on the verses.
Seems a strange standpoint to take imo
24 February 2016, 09:59 AM
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Seems a strange standpoint to take imo
24 February 2016, 10:21 AM
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I thought we'd dealt with this at #253. Clearly not. First, you've set up a strawman by claiming my position and others' is "cherry picking". You then state, over confidently knocking down the strawman, that "there's nothing in the text to point to them being either way". Well there is. Given that you'd not heard of the literary framework view until just a few days ago, I'm amazed at your hubris, Geezer! Some of the books in the Bible are to be read literally and some aren't. To repeat, Genesis 1-3 was never intended to be read literally. However, the account of Jesus' resurrection is meant to be read as a historical account. If you don't accept these readings that's fine, I can expand on this post and give you as much literature as you can manage. If you want to do a Hodgy and go for the low hanging fruit then I recommend you go and have a discussion with a young earth creationist.
The meal was very nice, thank you; medium-rare ribeye with Roquefort sauce. The Chilean merlot was minging (as all Chilean wines seem to be).
The meal was very nice, thank you; medium-rare ribeye with Roquefort sauce. The Chilean merlot was minging (as all Chilean wines seem to be).
That is not what I said in my reply, simply I had not heard of that term, but I was aware of what it was trying to.
But, the text itself does not say, or hint. All interpretations, all the theologians, historians, they are projecting. There is nothing in the Bible that would indicate why something should be taken literally, or why it should not.
You can post the literature, but in the end, it's just someone giving their view on why it should be read this way or that.
I haven't read the bible for some years, so if it does say fair enough, but please point me to the bit of the original text in the bible that says "this is true" "this is a metaphor/allegory/made up".
24 February 2016, 10:23 AM
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What do you find sexiest about it ? That's the order of things.God created woman for man.Woman is subordinate to man,children are subordinate to their parents,Jesus is also subordinate to his own Father in heaven.You may not like it but that's the way things were put in place,its because we're trying to change it all and break it up,things are such mess in the world today,and the family break up..