Scripture vs. the facts.
20 February 2016, 08:57 PM
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So you can't really decide, then. That's your position, then. Ok.
Is this position uncomfortable for you, having started your discipleship? Or, are you just happy with feeling relieved every time you admit your hypocrisy? Or are you just happy with feeling uncomfortable? Or, do you not feel uncomfortable at all with your inability to choose between your long standing lover and Jesus and your hypocrisy? Personally, as your long term internet friend, I wish you never got into a situation like that. Not because I put you in it by asking you to choose hypothetically. That's because you put yourself in it, realistically. I say realistically, because you're living together in an unmarried state with your good lady, which is against your faith that you seem to fully respect and embrace. But that's the choice you make.
This repeated admittance of hypocrisy to the world and suffering with discomfort over it on personal level (that's if there's any discomfort being felt by you yourself)- is it one of the expected great doings of a Christian? I mean, self-inflicting the pain? Is it intentional? I thought you were completely out of pain and in peace with yourself since you met Jesus?
Regarding my curiosity about your pain, it's a known fact that dilemmas / conflicts of that level and sort (e.g. having to choose between your earthy lover and heavenly Father and how one feels when one realises his hypocrisy) can cause ample pain. Perhaps not, as you have your Jesus by your side, saying to you 'It's alright, James. Don't worry about it'. But I don't think he can, can he? If He does, then He and his other friends are talking some nonsense in his Bible, aren't they?
Is this position uncomfortable for you, having started your discipleship? Or, are you just happy with feeling relieved every time you admit your hypocrisy? Or are you just happy with feeling uncomfortable? Or, do you not feel uncomfortable at all with your inability to choose between your long standing lover and Jesus and your hypocrisy? Personally, as your long term internet friend, I wish you never got into a situation like that. Not because I put you in it by asking you to choose hypothetically. That's because you put yourself in it, realistically. I say realistically, because you're living together in an unmarried state with your good lady, which is against your faith that you seem to fully respect and embrace. But that's the choice you make.
This repeated admittance of hypocrisy to the world and suffering with discomfort over it on personal level (that's if there's any discomfort being felt by you yourself)- is it one of the expected great doings of a Christian? I mean, self-inflicting the pain? Is it intentional? I thought you were completely out of pain and in peace with yourself since you met Jesus?
Regarding my curiosity about your pain, it's a known fact that dilemmas / conflicts of that level and sort (e.g. having to choose between your earthy lover and heavenly Father and how one feels when one realises his hypocrisy) can cause ample pain. Perhaps not, as you have your Jesus by your side, saying to you 'It's alright, James. Don't worry about it'. But I don't think he can, can he? If He does, then He and his other friends are talking some nonsense in his Bible, aren't they?
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21 February 2016, 01:18 AM
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21 February 2016, 02:28 AM
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The Bible clearly states that a man and a women are to be married and that sex outside of marriage is a sin. Marriage is talked about throughout the books, Jesus talks about it and the epistles are peppered with it. 'Holy matrimony' is a shadowing of the relationship between Jesus (the bridegroom) and the church (the bride). God very much cares about my marital status! Let me know if you need me to provide verses.
21 February 2016, 10:52 AM
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21 February 2016, 01:05 PM
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I am not sure I quite understand the problem here - unless I have missed something
You ask someone to marry you, they say either yes, no or not sure
To say yes you have to accept him/her together with all their strengths and weaknesses - that's what "love" is - it is total and unconditional
If they/you can't or won't then maybe you shouldn't
You ask someone to marry you, they say either yes, no or not sure
To say yes you have to accept him/her together with all their strengths and weaknesses - that's what "love" is - it is total and unconditional
If they/you can't or won't then maybe you shouldn't
21 February 2016, 01:30 PM
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I am not sure I quite understand the problem here - unless I have missed something
You ask someone to marry you, they say either yes, no or not sure
To say yes you have to accept him/her together with all their strengths and weaknesses - that's what "love" is - it is total and unconditional
If they/you can't or won't then maybe you shouldn't
You ask someone to marry you, they say either yes, no or not sure
To say yes you have to accept him/her together with all their strengths and weaknesses - that's what "love" is - it is total and unconditional
If they/you can't or won't then maybe you shouldn't
21 February 2016, 02:12 PM
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If she is going to find faith she will find it on her own, you cant force her, and the more you hold off in the hope she will the less likely she is too....
You may have to accept that even if she finds faith it isnt yours. It is a very selfish and almost controlling thing to do to hold off asking her to marry unless it is done your way in your ceremony.
This is my issue with religion, its all about control, trying to control and make others do the same things as you.
You may have to accept that even if she finds faith it isnt yours. It is a very selfish and almost controlling thing to do to hold off asking her to marry unless it is done your way in your ceremony.
This is my issue with religion, its all about control, trying to control and make others do the same things as you.
21 February 2016, 02:27 PM
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If she is going to find faith she will find it on her own, you cant force her, and the more you hold off in the hope she will the less likely she is too....
You may have to accept that even if she finds faith it isnt yours. It is a very selfish and almost controlling thing to do to hold off asking her to marry unless it is done your way in your ceremony.
This is my issue with religion, its all about control, trying to control and make others do the same things as you.
You may have to accept that even if she finds faith it isnt yours. It is a very selfish and almost controlling thing to do to hold off asking her to marry unless it is done your way in your ceremony.
This is my issue with religion, its all about control, trying to control and make others do the same things as you.
21 February 2016, 02:36 PM
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This sacrificial, pain enduring (even when the pain is self-inflicted) act a guided act of your Christianity? Because I think you can do better than that, cut out the pain and get on with marrying your partner.
Also, does being slated for your crooked faith here makes you feel like a Jesus on the cross? I'm asking so because you keep calling yourself a hypocrite, keep posting threads on Christianity, keep glorifying and justifying the dated thought process e.g. no sex before marriage and the Christian marriage being so holy and stuff like that, although you've already had done the 'immoral' stuff like many humans do, enjoyed your time and got the T-shirt. I mean, what exactly is there in it for you, in taking all this criticism of your faith and still keep presenting your fundamentalist views to the audience where you'll receive nothing but slating?
I say that your faith is crooked because it has less or selective room for humanity.
As I said to James before:
Yes, upon seeing above, I simply hear back under the written words that you would only marry your sincere, long term loving partner if she converts to your faith. As I say, it sounds very uncomfortable to my ears.
One of the failings of Christianity. Christianity that is made for humans to follow! Another failing is where a true Christian has to sell Christianity to others.
One of the failings of Christianity. Christianity that is made for humans to follow! Another failing is where a true Christian has to sell Christianity to others.
I can see why so many generational Christians but anti-Christianity humans call this Christianity evil.
21 February 2016, 02:40 PM
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its a shame you cant just use your faith as a guideline to follow in your life and follow its principles the best you can and if you fall by the wayside with a few things then you carry on and repent these things later. that way you could still be with the woman you love and still adhere to most of your christian principles and values. but of course your god wont let you. i think this may be the reason monks build monasteries half way up a mountain as its the only way to have half a chance to adhere to the principles of faith by cutting yourself off from the world and its temptations.
21 February 2016, 02:43 PM
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its a shame you cant just use your faith as a guideline to follow in your life and follow its principles the best you can and if you fall by the wayside with a few things then you carry on and repent these things later. that way you could still be with the woman you love and still adhere to most of your christian principles and values. but of course your god wont let you. i think this may be the reason monks build monasteries half way up a mountain as its the only way to have half a chance to adhere to the principles of faith by cutting yourself off from the world and its temptations.
21 February 2016, 02:49 PM
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Imagine a Muslim talking this conservative like James is talking here. He / she will be branded as a terrorist.
Now please, don't start a comparitive study here of both faiths. It's been done to death here already. And no Muslim has come in and tried glorifying their irrational beliefs here on this thread, so please leave it at that. I'm just saying that for a Muslim, it will be a character assassination by others or a suicide by self.
Now please, don't start a comparitive study here of both faiths. It's been done to death here already. And no Muslim has come in and tried glorifying their irrational beliefs here on this thread, so please leave it at that. I'm just saying that for a Muslim, it will be a character assassination by others or a suicide by self.
21 February 2016, 02:52 PM
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You haven't answered the question.
This sacrificial, pain enduring (even when the pain is self-inflicted) act a guided act of your Christianity? Because I think you can do better than that, cut out the pain and get on with marrying your partner.
Also, does being slated for your crooked faith here makes you feel like a Jesus on the cross? I'm asking so because you keep calling yourself a hypocrite, keep posting threads on Christianity, keep glorifying and justifying the dated thought process e.g. no sex before marriage and the Christian marriage being so holy and stuff like that, although you've already had done the 'immoral' stuff like many humans do, enjoyed your time and got the T-shirt. I mean, what exactly is there in it for you, in taking all this criticism of your faith and still keep presenting your fundamentalist views to the audience where you'll receive nothing but slating?
I say that your faith is crooked because it has less or selective room for humanity.
Yes.
As I said to James before:
Another failing of Christianity is when they prioritise their own faith people.
I can see why so many generational Christians but anti-Christianity humans call this Christianity evil.
This sacrificial, pain enduring (even when the pain is self-inflicted) act a guided act of your Christianity? Because I think you can do better than that, cut out the pain and get on with marrying your partner.
Also, does being slated for your crooked faith here makes you feel like a Jesus on the cross? I'm asking so because you keep calling yourself a hypocrite, keep posting threads on Christianity, keep glorifying and justifying the dated thought process e.g. no sex before marriage and the Christian marriage being so holy and stuff like that, although you've already had done the 'immoral' stuff like many humans do, enjoyed your time and got the T-shirt. I mean, what exactly is there in it for you, in taking all this criticism of your faith and still keep presenting your fundamentalist views to the audience where you'll receive nothing but slating?
I say that your faith is crooked because it has less or selective room for humanity.
Yes.
As I said to James before:
Another failing of Christianity is when they prioritise their own faith people.
I can see why so many generational Christians but anti-Christianity humans call this Christianity evil.
Matthew 16:24-26English Standard Version (ESV)
Take Up Your Cross and Follow Jesus
24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life[a] will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?
Take Up Your Cross and Follow Jesus
24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life[a] will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?
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its a shame you cant just use your faith as a guideline to follow in your life and follow its principles the best you can and if you fall by the wayside with a few things then you carry on and repent these things later. that way you could still be with the woman you love and still adhere to most of your christian principles and values. but of course your god wont let you. i think this may be the reason monks build monasteries half way up a mountain as its the only way to have half a chance to adhere to the principles of faith by cutting yourself off from the world and its temptations.
21 February 2016, 03:03 PM
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21 February 2016, 03:29 PM
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And as for sex and woman,God did say,it's not good for man to be alone,but adultery etc would be seen a sin.Man love your wife and woman love your husband,and we're breaking up all things as people,things that were put in place.God said men will become lovers of themselves,and it's exactly right what's happening today,selfie pictures etc,men have become lovers of themselves.
21 February 2016, 04:57 PM
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Oh, I do.
I have seen some changes in you, over these years. Since going deeper into your Christianity, you've stopped calling people feejits, factory workers etc. for their lack of intellect and substandard posting. You keep forgiving every Tom, D6ck and Harry and keep praying for them. You don't threaten people like H with beating them up outside internet etc. You don't flash your cash that much anymore and you don't talk about the females in a derogatory way. All that is good, but instead of gaining a balance, you've catapulted yourself to the extremes!
DYK, I don't buy Satan for the excuse of your non-disclosure. Unlike James, you don't say that it was a 'beyond words' dumbfounding experience, so that tells that you can verbalise it. Or is it the Satan that mutes you and stops you from telling it? Why are you letting the barstool Satan win? That's in the context of telling the world about your out-of-the-ordinary life changing experience, I mean.
About sex and stuff, if you have abused the provision of sex, then I can imagine that guilt leading you to now harmonise with Jesus's teachings. If you never abused but played it nicely as many people with the common sense do, and thus remained within your pants, I suppose you don't need anyone in this 'revolutionary' way to alter your life or life style.
But as it happened nonetheless, you might as well tell us about that pivotal experience.
I have seen some changes in you, over these years. Since going deeper into your Christianity, you've stopped calling people feejits, factory workers etc. for their lack of intellect and substandard posting. You keep forgiving every Tom, D6ck and Harry and keep praying for them. You don't threaten people like H with beating them up outside internet etc. You don't flash your cash that much anymore and you don't talk about the females in a derogatory way. All that is good, but instead of gaining a balance, you've catapulted yourself to the extremes!
I think its because those think they won't be believed,and Christianity has been dumbed down,even to the banning of crosses in some working environments.The thought police and political correct are well and truly active,I believe this is all part of satans plan to turn people.As for myself I almost died three times but that's another story..God hasn't failed us,we have failed God,it's the break up of things that God put in place,and I think one the most social break ups today is the break up of family,hordes of un parented children.Society is becoming un sustainable,and it's all to do with the break up,even to the church that don't really represent Jesus,its lost the way become corrupt,so God will shake everything as I said before.
And as for sex and woman,God did say,it's not good for man to be alone,but adultery etc would be seen a sin.Man love your wife and woman love your husband,and we're breaking up all things as people,things that were put in place.God said men will become lovers of themselves,and it's exactly right what's happening today,selfie pictures etc,men have become lovers of themselves.
And as for sex and woman,God did say,it's not good for man to be alone,but adultery etc would be seen a sin.Man love your wife and woman love your husband,and we're breaking up all things as people,things that were put in place.God said men will become lovers of themselves,and it's exactly right what's happening today,selfie pictures etc,men have become lovers of themselves.
About sex and stuff, if you have abused the provision of sex, then I can imagine that guilt leading you to now harmonise with Jesus's teachings. If you never abused but played it nicely as many people with the common sense do, and thus remained within your pants, I suppose you don't need anyone in this 'revolutionary' way to alter your life or life style.
But as it happened nonetheless, you might as well tell us about that pivotal experience.
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Oh, I do.
I have seen some changes in you, over these years. Since going deeper into your Christianity, you've stopped calling people feejits, factory workers etc. for their lack of intellect and substandard posting. You keep forgiving every Tom, D6ck and Harry and keep praying for them. You don't threaten people like H with beating them up outside internet etc. You don't flash your cash that much anymore and you don't talk about the females in a derogatory way. All that is good, but instead of gaining a balance, you've catapulted yourself to the extremes!.
I have seen some changes in you, over these years. Since going deeper into your Christianity, you've stopped calling people feejits, factory workers etc. for their lack of intellect and substandard posting. You keep forgiving every Tom, D6ck and Harry and keep praying for them. You don't threaten people like H with beating them up outside internet etc. You don't flash your cash that much anymore and you don't talk about the females in a derogatory way. All that is good, but instead of gaining a balance, you've catapulted yourself to the extremes!.
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its a shame you cant just use your faith as a guideline to follow in your life and follow its principles the best you can and if you fall by the wayside with a few things then you carry on and repent these things later. that way you could still be with the woman you love and still adhere to most of your christian principles and values. but of course your god wont let you. i think this may be the reason monks build monasteries half way up a mountain as its the only way to have half a chance to adhere to the principles of faith by cutting yourself off from the world and its temptations.
21 February 2016, 07:51 PM
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To gain the common sense, you required God. Honestly, if discovering God has helped you to see the common sense, I do thank God for that. But if God's discovery is telling you to reject the humanity with some fundamental rules of your Christianity e.g. your long standing partner is better off converting for the purpose of a life long marriage, brotherhood / sisterhood only for the Christ followers and 'Christ is the ONLY way, and therefore I OUGHT to give away the bibles to the vulnerable and keep recruiting', then I'm afraid I just think it's your own work; blindly (as well as politically; for the latter one) followed that is written in your holy bible. I can't blame God for pushing you to the extremes.
And yes, you're very serious about your 'faith', I get it.
And yes, you're very serious about your 'faith', I get it.
21 February 2016, 09:45 PM
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Oh, I do.
I have seen some changes in you, over these years. Since going deeper into your Christianity, you've stopped calling people feejits, factory workers etc. for their lack of intellect and substandard posting. You keep forgiving every Tom, D6ck and Harry and keep praying for them. You don't threaten people like H with beating them up outside internet etc. You don't flash your cash that much anymore and you don't talk about the females in a derogatory way. All that is good, but instead of gaining a balance, you've catapulted yourself to the extremes!
DYK, I don't buy Satan for the excuse of your non-disclosure. Unlike James, you don't say that it was a 'beyond words' dumbfounding experience, so that tells that you can verbalise it. Or is it the Satan that mutes you and stops you from telling it? Why are you letting the barstool Satan win? That's in the context of telling the world about your out-of-the-ordinary life changing experience, I mean.
About sex and stuff, if you have abused the provision of sex, then I can imagine that guilt leading you to now harmonise with Jesus's teachings. If you never abused but played it nicely as many people with the common sense do, and thus remained within your pants, I suppose you don't need anyone in this 'revolutionary' way to alter your life or life style.
But as it happened nonetheless, you might as well tell us about that pivotal experience.
I have seen some changes in you, over these years. Since going deeper into your Christianity, you've stopped calling people feejits, factory workers etc. for their lack of intellect and substandard posting. You keep forgiving every Tom, D6ck and Harry and keep praying for them. You don't threaten people like H with beating them up outside internet etc. You don't flash your cash that much anymore and you don't talk about the females in a derogatory way. All that is good, but instead of gaining a balance, you've catapulted yourself to the extremes!
DYK, I don't buy Satan for the excuse of your non-disclosure. Unlike James, you don't say that it was a 'beyond words' dumbfounding experience, so that tells that you can verbalise it. Or is it the Satan that mutes you and stops you from telling it? Why are you letting the barstool Satan win? That's in the context of telling the world about your out-of-the-ordinary life changing experience, I mean.
About sex and stuff, if you have abused the provision of sex, then I can imagine that guilt leading you to now harmonise with Jesus's teachings. If you never abused but played it nicely as many people with the common sense do, and thus remained within your pants, I suppose you don't need anyone in this 'revolutionary' way to alter your life or life style.
But as it happened nonetheless, you might as well tell us about that pivotal experience.
21 February 2016, 10:18 PM
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Jesus bore my shame on the cross.i just don't feel its appropriate on the internet here.The depths and lengths of to go into it,the short version would be long.But you got to find your own way and either your at that point in life where you seek out and find and accept or reject..choice is left up to each one of us...As for the sex thing God didn't want man to be alone,why he gave woman as a companion for man.Think man has somewhat twisted things to his own thinking and interpretation,those live without sex and woman etc.God set a line,and it's how far you walk from that line.But if come back and have faith ask forgiveness then ok..it's if you walk away into the way of evil and don't come back or ask forgiveness its more what matters.
What a load of sexist tosh
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LOL I had a post waiting to be posted up, but then I got side-tracked to feeding my little cat Gods. 
That's a good way of dealing with shame and guilt, I understand.
Ok, no problem.
Definitely, I agree.
Yes, that's a very good way of dealing with one's own guilt and shame, otherwise you just wouldn't know what to do with yourself! I understand that God and religion have valid reasons to be believed in and followed by some. Their (God's and religion's) being saves humanity, gives strength to face up to the losses and gives the humans a moral code etc. The problem arises when a religion starts to attack the humanity instead of saving it; on the name of God. That's very anti-God, I think. I think some of the twisted anti-humanity religious beliefs / rules are the products of some warped and wounded minds that didn't fully recover despite their developed or pre-existing trust in the Almighty. Such warped anti-humanity beliefs and rules ended up being the essential parts of the religion. Also, religion became a tool to the politics and the religion became political. Now you may say - "What is not political in this world?". I know, but there's a saying that even the wicked wizard would leave at least one house alone, and won't cast his spell on it. Now the God's sacred home, you would think, would be saved by His followers; from the wicked wizard called 'politics'- even if he was forcing his way in. But no.
Oh, it's also possible that the gentleman 'God the Father' did a polite 'Ladies first' and then He sent a man down to keep her company. Doesn't matter what the Bible says. I'm not a feminist or anything, but I'm open to this possibility. We don't really know the reality, do we?
It's also possible that He isn't actually a He. He could be a She, for what we know. He / She could be gender fluid or else. We don't really know the reality, do we?
That's a good way of dealing with shame and guilt, I understand.
i just don't feel its appropriate on the internet here.The depths and lengths of to go into it,the short version would be long.
But you got to find your own way and either your at that point in life where you seek out and find and accept or reject..choice is left up to each one of us...
As for the sex thing God didn't want man to be alone,why he gave woman as a companion for man.Think man has somewhat twisted things to his own thinking and interpretation,those live without sex and woman etc.God set a line,and it's how far you walk from that line.But if come back and have faith ask forgiveness then ok..it's if you walk away into the way of evil and don't come back or ask forgiveness its more what matters.
Oh, it's also possible that the gentleman 'God the Father' did a polite 'Ladies first' and then He sent a man down to keep her company. Doesn't matter what the Bible says. I'm not a feminist or anything, but I'm open to this possibility. We don't really know the reality, do we?
It's also possible that He isn't actually a He. He could be a She, for what we know. He / She could be gender fluid or else. We don't really know the reality, do we?