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Old Nov 16, 2015 | 10:37 PM
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82k is high miles?
It's certainly up there, 18k away from 100,000 miles. 100,000 is high mileage no?
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Old Nov 16, 2015 | 11:22 PM
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It's relative to the cars age. I'd say over 10k a year is on the high side. 82k is average for a ten year old car. I wouldn't say it's high.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 09:02 AM
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Lol 82k high miles mine has done 121k and that's about right for an 11yr old car, could even be considered on the low side at the standard 12k a year it should have over 130k.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 10:26 AM
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It's relative to the cars age. I'd say over 10k a year is on the high side. 82k is average for a ten year old car. I wouldn't say it's high.
How does that work? a 30 year old car with 200k miles is still high milage no? age has nothing to do with it, mileage is mileage.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
Lol 82k high miles mine has done 121k and that's about right for an 11yr old car, could even be considered on the low side at the standard 12k a year it should have over 130k.
Still high mileage, mine has done 114,000 on an 03, that's high mileage too, its on its second engine now. at 121k yours must of had a rebuild? the narrow bearings on an EJ dont run on forever regardless of how many times you change the oil.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 10:31 AM
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How does that work? a 30 year old car with 200k miles is still high milage no? age has nothing to do with it, mileage is mileage.
I see where you're coming from, and maybe 100k+ is on the higher side at any age, but sub 100k isn't a problem for an older car. Service history is more important now that a well looked after car can keep going almost indefinitely.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 10:32 AM
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the seats bolsters will be showing their age, the steering wheel and gearknob will have worn leather, the plastics on the dash will be creaking, windscreen will be showing frosting from stone chips, it will of had paint for stone chips (or will be looking tired), every mechanical component and even the bulbs will of been subject to thousands of bumps and knocks making them older and more fragile. corrosion will of firmly set in on many parts, miles makes cars older
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Willowsdad
I see where you're coming from, and maybe 100k+ is on the higher side at any age, but sub 100k isn't a problem for an older car. Service history is more important now that a well looked after car can keep going almost indefinitely.
Service history is a given, also consider how its been driven from cold, I don't use any more than 1/4 throttle or any boost at all until im 7 miles into my daily 14 mile commute as this is when the oil is fully upto temp. not many people would stick to that!
Just remember this isn't a 1.9 tdi golf that will easy do 200,000 miles on the original bearings, rods, pistons, block, cam, rings etc. this is an EJ that has very narrow bearings and under a lot more mechanical stress per litre.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 10:44 AM
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Nope mine's not had a rebuild (yet) still on original clutch too, plenty on here got more miles on than mine too, theres even a 2.5L with 150k and a while back there was a 2.5L on here for sale with something like 240k on the clock.

I like to think it's down to using quality oil and changing it every 6k or 6 months, I've had the car since 92K and the previous owner was an enthusiast too and changed the oil regularly too so I guess that does help.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
Nope mine's not had a rebuild (yet) still on original clutch too, plenty on here got more miles on than mine too, theres even a 2.5L with 150k and a while back there was a 2.5L on here for sale with something like 240k on the clock.

I like to think it's down to using quality oil and changing it every 6k or 6 months, I've had the car since 92K and the previous owner was an enthusiast too and changed the oil regularly too so I guess that does help.
Show me your big end bearings lol
As I said, a lot has to do with driving style too, warmup etc
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by boosted;11761640[B
]Show me your big end bearings [/B] lol
As I said, a lot has to do with driving style too, warmup etc
No thanks I don't want to be seeing them for at least another couple of years.

I do however already have all the parts for a fully forged rebuild when the time comes, just need to get off my backside and put it together, but I'm in no rush, if it an't broke don't fix it.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 05:06 PM
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the seller has kindly agreed to have the car booked in to have a compression test to confirm engine health. Is there anything else anyone would recommend checking?
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by boosted
It's certainly up there, 18k away from 100,000 miles. 100,000 is high mileage no?
'high mileage' figure is going up every decade, engine design and engineering are improving all the time.
in the 60's - 70's you would be lucky to see 50k.
in the 80's - 90's it was up to 70k.
2000's it was 100-120k

now I class 'high mileage' for a petrol engine 140-150k. But a lot will go on longer than that.

Diesel 'high mileage' is 200-250k +

I remember when diesel engines struggled to reach 70k
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BoozyDave
'high mileage' figure is going up every decade, engine design and engineering are improving all the time.
in the 60's - 70's you would be lucky to see 50k.
in the 80's - 90's it was up to 70k.
2000's it was 100-120k

now I class 'high mileage' for a petrol engine 140-150k. But a lot will go on longer than that.

Diesel 'high mileage' is 200-250k +

I remember when diesel engines struggled to reach 70k
Engine design and engineering peaked sometime ago, not much has changed in the past 15 or so years that way. What is really starting to let engines down is all the emmisions crap bolted to them. No new Diesel engine will do 200k miles, yes the pistons, rods and block will, but all the crap bolted to it will fail long before that.
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Old Nov 17, 2015 | 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by boosted
Engine design and engineering peaked sometime ago, not much has changed in the past 15 or so years that way. What is really starting to let engines down is all the emmisions crap bolted to them. No new Diesel engine will do 200k miles, yes the pistons, rods and block will, but all the crap bolted to it will fail long before that.
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Old Nov 18, 2015 | 06:36 AM
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Don't mince your words pal, just spit it out.
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Old Nov 18, 2015 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Brun
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Lol it's true. It's the common rail pumps injectors and electronics that fail, egr coolers, DPF's, ad blu systems, turbos, that fail on modern diesels. None of that stuff does 200,000 miles. The engines don't go wrong any more (unless someone breaks them by running them low on coolant or oil)
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The car is ten years old and has run big power for the last 2.5 years and isn't forged, but has been regularly serviced using good quality parts and fluids, the levels of which all checked out ok according to the report.
I don't appreciate your intimation that I've neglected the car - you don't know me or how the car has been looked after so kindly keep your incorrect assumptions to yourself.

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I think its fair to say that as the owner has had compressions checked and made it public, that is not something a neglectful owner would do.

Credit to you for doing that MrNoisy

Your engine has suffered the same as what many Subaru engines have done...some at much lower mileages...they can't ALL have been neglected? It would be silly to assume that, the weak points are all well documented and many have driven their engines to destruction without knowing anything was wrong...Afterall, its because of this that so many Subaru engine builders exist.

I can lock the thread if you want, as its pretty much concluded - just let me know
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I think its fair to say that as the owner has had compressions checked and made it public, that is not something a neglectful owner would do.

Credit to you for doing that MrNoisy

Your engine has suffered the same as what many Subaru engines have done...some at much lower mileages...they can't ALL have been neglected? It would be silly to assume that, the weak points are all well documented and many have driven their engines to destruction without knowing anything was wrong...Afterall, its because of this that so many Subaru engine builders exist.

I can lock the thread if you want, as its pretty much concluded - just let me know
Thanks Ali - yes please do so
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