The US and guns
28 April 2016, 08:20 PM
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There are actually many millions of legally held guns and firearms in the UK, kept by registered owners. In the US the registered firearm genie long ago left the bottle and nothing can be done to put it back. Perhaps requiring a licence to purchase ammunition could be a start though, it would at least flag up the regular users and gun owners.
And to obtain such a license, you have to hand over you medical records, be vetted by the Police and have them visit the location you have your guns and ammo stored to make sure it is indeed safe.
Does any of that happen in the US?
28 April 2016, 08:21 PM
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Oh dear a Sandy Hook hoaxer
The are pretty much the lowest of the low,
They peddle the myth that no one died at Sandy Hook, no children no teachers, all a big hoax - a false flag
And the grieving parents are simply "crises actors" and their children did not die!!!!!!!
Simply posting long debunked cr4p (much like the hillsborough thread)
The are pretty much the lowest of the low,
They peddle the myth that no one died at Sandy Hook, no children no teachers, all a big hoax - a false flag
And the grieving parents are simply "crises actors" and their children did not die!!!!!!!
Simply posting long debunked cr4p (much like the hillsborough thread)
28 April 2016, 08:23 PM
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Makes no difference to me what you believe.
The lowest of the low indeed, why would a government use such a tactic to obtain political gain, surely they wouldn't use a school and a lot of dead kids and teachers to achieve their goal, would they?
Wake the **** up!
28 April 2016, 08:26 PM
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28 April 2016, 08:32 PM
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Of course, shotgun license and FAC license holders.
And to obtain such a license, you have to hand over you medical records, be vetted by the Police and have them visit the location you have your guns and ammo stored to make sure it is indeed safe.
Does any of that happen in the US?
And to obtain such a license, you have to hand over you medical records, be vetted by the Police and have them visit the location you have your guns and ammo stored to make sure it is indeed safe.
Does any of that happen in the US?
No, and it's too late in the US as there are billions of guns already in circulation. The only restriction, and then only in some places, is that when purchasing a pistol over the counter there is a three day 'cooling off' period before you can actually take it. Licencing for ammunition purchase would be a good start towards registration and all those intending to buy ammo would have to register.
28 April 2016, 08:33 PM
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There are actually many millions of legally held guns and firearms in the UK, kept by registered owners. In the US the registered firearm genie long ago left the bottle and nothing can be done to put it back. Perhaps requiring a licence to purchase ammunition could be a start though, it would at least flag up the regular users and gun owners.
28 April 2016, 08:42 PM
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If the number of guns itself over there can't be reduced (and I accept that with the quantity of them already in circulation, it's a bit of a lost cause), what would seem to make sense is a law or laws enforcing severe penalties for anyone allowing their legally obtained firearm to fall into the hands of anyone it shouldn't do. Apparently, the fear alone of being accidentally shot in the head by their own kids isn't enough for some people to make sure that doesn't happen.
Being shot by your own kids is not a regular occurence even in the US. And since all purchasable firearms in the US are legally held (even by children in the majority of states) it would be hard to define which 'hands' would be disallowed and so such a law would fall flat.
28 April 2016, 08:48 PM
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Being shot by your own kids is not a regular occurence even in the US. And since all purchasable firearms in the US are legally held (even by children in the majority of states) it would be hard to define which 'hands' would be disallowed and so such a law would fall flat.
28 April 2016, 08:50 PM
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If the number of guns itself over there can't be reduced (and I accept that with the quantity of them already in circulation, it's a bit of a lost cause), what would seem to make sense is a law or laws enforcing severe penalties for anyone allowing their legally obtained firearm to fall into the hands of anyone it shouldn't do. Apparently, the fear alone of being accidentally shot in the head by their own kids isn't enough for some people to make sure that doesn't happen.
Ammo restrictions are a possible way forward, but it will take years to have any real effect.
28 April 2016, 08:58 PM
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Then half of the population of the US would end up in jail. They are very lax about the way they keep their guns, locking them away is almost alien to them. So many will not lock them away and unauthorised use of the gun will undoubtedly happen.
Ammo restrictions are a possible way forward, but it will take years to have any real effect.
Ammo restrictions are a possible way forward, but it will take years to have any real effect.
No it wouldn't take years it would take almost immediate effect if the purchase of ammunition required a licence. It wouldn't catch all of course, but it would catch a great many and the registration of all of their weaponry could easily be enforced.
28 April 2016, 09:12 PM
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FBI background checks are only compulsory if you buy from a store and they are only to check you are not a felon or mentally impaired. There is no record kept as this would amount to registration, which is not legally permitted. Of the very many millions of store purchase applications very few are actually turned down. Of course large numbers of guns are traded at gun clubs, between private individuals etc, where there are no background checks of any sort required.
28 April 2016, 09:39 PM
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So its not just a conspiracy to disarm American citizens then?
Look deeper into this, MUCH MUCH deeper, but only if you feel that you want to know the truth.
The world will be a better place without guns, and while I am glad that we dont have them in any great numbers in this country, I feel that the Americans have the right to have guns if they so wish.
Remember, guns dont kill people, people kill people.
I agree that much tighter control is required to lessen the genuine gun issues in America, but a lot of what you see are hoaxes merely created to make guns look like the enemy for political reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_...iracy_theories
And in response to the video from beginning of this thread. See THIS
Look deeper into this, MUCH MUCH deeper, but only if you feel that you want to know the truth.
The world will be a better place without guns, and while I am glad that we dont have them in any great numbers in this country, I feel that the Americans have the right to have guns if they so wish.
Remember, guns dont kill people, people kill people.
I agree that much tighter control is required to lessen the genuine gun issues in America, but a lot of what you see are hoaxes merely created to make guns look like the enemy for political reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_...iracy_theories
And in response to the video from beginning of this thread. See THIS
Why is that whenever something terrible happens, these tossers come out of the woodwork to contort things into some kind of government conspiracy?
If this was all about gun control , then it's singularly failed. Why would you post up this kind vile, nonsense? What's wrong with you?
And please don't throw the 'open your eyes' line at me
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28 April 2016, 09:49 PM
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The problem is JT the other option is to simply exist in your own bubble
in a way you become like them, living in an echo chamber of self validation
These people need confronting and calling out whenever you meet them
28 April 2016, 09:54 PM
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lol Martin
Like the Flat Earthers, 911 Twoofers, climate deniers, Hoaxers, false flaggers, chemtrailers - it is always the same
Open your eyes, do your own research, here is a YouTube clip
Simply shorthand for "I believe any old **** I see on the Internet"
All the world experts are wrong because some w4nker on the Internet has put 2 and 2 together and come up with 3289
Like the Flat Earthers, 911 Twoofers, climate deniers, Hoaxers, false flaggers, chemtrailers - it is always the same
Open your eyes, do your own research, here is a YouTube clip
Simply shorthand for "I believe any old **** I see on the Internet"
All the world experts are wrong because some w4nker on the Internet has put 2 and 2 together and come up with 3289
28 April 2016, 09:56 PM
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Yes, they are truly sick - berating the parents of massacred Children as being "fakers" and being part of a conspiracy - unbelievable in its depravity
The problem is JT the other option is to simply exist in your own bubble
in a way you become like them, living in an echo chamber of self validation
These people need confronting and calling out whenever you meet them
The problem is JT the other option is to simply exist in your own bubble
in a way you become like them, living in an echo chamber of self validation
These people need confronting and calling out whenever you meet them
The alternative direction, which most of us take, is to shake our heads and think 'utter tw@ts' and ignore them.
28 April 2016, 10:18 PM
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But we see it on the Hillsborough thread
10,000 without tickets - all drunk, breaking down barriers, creating a crush
And this after a 2 year inquest which proved it was all crap
Yet repeated a day after, like it was fact
Utter fvcking idiots - they need confronting
28 April 2016, 10:29 PM
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@ those with the closed minds.
Confronting, lol, what are you talking about!
You are avoiding confrontation by directing your comments at your friend above, hoping that I will read it and respond, well, I have read it and I will simply respond in saying that you can continue with your closed minded approach to life. If thats what works for you, then great, continue doing what your doing, your obviously happy in your own bubble. Why is your bubble so much better than mine!
You have also called into question my beliefs after absolutely zero discussion with me personally, you took zero time to find out anything about me, what I do, or who I actually am, you read something on the internet and came to a snap judgment about me, which I think relates to my next point.
I do not know you, I also do not think it is fair to make claims about you or judge you based on other people’s opinions. I would imagine you are probably OK, even if it is in small doses, or to just sit next to in silence without feeling uncomfortable.
Now on balance I think your comments are probably ignorant, ill researched, emotive, factually incorrect and probably self inflicted. I think it is likely to be an angry reaction to feeling “outside” of the wider group that we usually get here. This meant that fear got the better of you, and for that I am truly and genuinely sorry.
But continue with the abuse, the name calling, it just shows the extent of your intelligence and the fact that you choose to believe what ever the latest headlines in the tabloids appear to be.
Ill say it again, wake the **** up! I am done with the likes of you and wont be responding to any further comments you make on this subject as quite simply, your not worth the wear and tear on my keyboard!
Confronting, lol, what are you talking about!
You are avoiding confrontation by directing your comments at your friend above, hoping that I will read it and respond, well, I have read it and I will simply respond in saying that you can continue with your closed minded approach to life. If thats what works for you, then great, continue doing what your doing, your obviously happy in your own bubble. Why is your bubble so much better than mine!
You have also called into question my beliefs after absolutely zero discussion with me personally, you took zero time to find out anything about me, what I do, or who I actually am, you read something on the internet and came to a snap judgment about me, which I think relates to my next point.
I do not know you, I also do not think it is fair to make claims about you or judge you based on other people’s opinions. I would imagine you are probably OK, even if it is in small doses, or to just sit next to in silence without feeling uncomfortable.
Now on balance I think your comments are probably ignorant, ill researched, emotive, factually incorrect and probably self inflicted. I think it is likely to be an angry reaction to feeling “outside” of the wider group that we usually get here. This meant that fear got the better of you, and for that I am truly and genuinely sorry.
But continue with the abuse, the name calling, it just shows the extent of your intelligence and the fact that you choose to believe what ever the latest headlines in the tabloids appear to be.
Ill say it again, wake the **** up! I am done with the likes of you and wont be responding to any further comments you make on this subject as quite simply, your not worth the wear and tear on my keyboard!
28 April 2016, 10:32 PM
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@ those with the closed minds.
Confronting, lol, what are you talking about!
You are avoiding confrontation by directing your comments at your friend above, hoping that I will read it and respond, well, I have read it and I will simply respond in saying that you can continue with your closed minded approach to life. If thats what works for you, then great, continue doing what your doing, your obviously happy in your own bubble. Why is your bubble so much better than mine!
You have also called into question my beliefs after absolutely zero discussion with me personally, you took zero time to find out anything about me, what I do, or who I actually am, you read something on the internet and came to a snap judgment about me, which I think relates to my next point.
I do not know you, I also do not think it is fair to make claims about you or judge you based on other people’s opinions. I would imagine you are probably OK, even if it is in small doses, or to just sit next to in silence without feeling uncomfortable.
Now on balance I think your comments are probably ignorant, ill researched, emotive, factually incorrect and probably self inflicted. I think it is likely to be an angry reaction to feeling “outside” of the wider group that we usually get here. This meant that fear got the better of you, and for that I am truly and genuinely sorry.
But continue with the abuse, the name calling, it just shows the extent of your intelligence and the fact that you choose to believe what ever the latest headlines in the tabloids appear to be.
Ill say it again, wake the **** up! I am done with the likes of you and wont be responding to any further comments you make on this subject as quite simply, your not worth the wear and tear on my keyboard!
Confronting, lol, what are you talking about!
You are avoiding confrontation by directing your comments at your friend above, hoping that I will read it and respond, well, I have read it and I will simply respond in saying that you can continue with your closed minded approach to life. If thats what works for you, then great, continue doing what your doing, your obviously happy in your own bubble. Why is your bubble so much better than mine!
You have also called into question my beliefs after absolutely zero discussion with me personally, you took zero time to find out anything about me, what I do, or who I actually am, you read something on the internet and came to a snap judgment about me, which I think relates to my next point.
I do not know you, I also do not think it is fair to make claims about you or judge you based on other people’s opinions. I would imagine you are probably OK, even if it is in small doses, or to just sit next to in silence without feeling uncomfortable.
Now on balance I think your comments are probably ignorant, ill researched, emotive, factually incorrect and probably self inflicted. I think it is likely to be an angry reaction to feeling “outside” of the wider group that we usually get here. This meant that fear got the better of you, and for that I am truly and genuinely sorry.
But continue with the abuse, the name calling, it just shows the extent of your intelligence and the fact that you choose to believe what ever the latest headlines in the tabloids appear to be.
Ill say it again, wake the **** up! I am done with the likes of you and wont be responding to any further comments you make on this subject as quite simply, your not worth the wear and tear on my keyboard!
Well that's a result
28 April 2016, 11:05 PM
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Well there seems to be a lot of it about!!!!
And we honestly think we can survive alone in the world - with this much mind fvckery fvctard thinking
I have my doubts
And we honestly think we can survive alone in the world - with this much mind fvckery fvctard thinking
I have my doubts
29 April 2016, 02:12 PM
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whats interesting about that video is how obviously sensitive some in the US are about how they are perceived by the rest of the world
when you break the video down it is essentially in two parts
part 1 - he basically says the US isn't so bad because it is has a lower murder rate than Honduras, the rest of central America, Africa etc etc
great, but quite why he thinks it is so amazing to have a lower murder rate than Afghanistan is beyond me
he obviously makes the classic reference to left wing commies blah blah blah
the simple fact is even his figures show when you compare the US to pretty much all countries in Europe it is nearly 4 times as high
the second part is equally as laughable
so in the second part he basically cherry-picks the place with the lowest murder rate in US - undoubtedly a leafy all white prosperous suburb
he dismisses places like Detroit which has an unbelievably high murder rate - because he says the are black and left wing
and then compares this pocket of low murder rate to countries in Europe
and literally *********** himself vigorously over the fact that this little town full of rich gun totting mercans has a lower murder rate than countries in Europe
do you spot what he did? yes it’s so obvious a child could work it out
he takes one tiny part of the US and compares it with the whole of Germany or France or the UK
what he should do is take a part of Germany or France or the UK that has a similar socio economic profile and then compare them
cherry-pickers always get found out
when you break the video down it is essentially in two parts
part 1 - he basically says the US isn't so bad because it is has a lower murder rate than Honduras, the rest of central America, Africa etc etc
great, but quite why he thinks it is so amazing to have a lower murder rate than Afghanistan is beyond me
he obviously makes the classic reference to left wing commies blah blah blah
the simple fact is even his figures show when you compare the US to pretty much all countries in Europe it is nearly 4 times as high
the second part is equally as laughable
so in the second part he basically cherry-picks the place with the lowest murder rate in US - undoubtedly a leafy all white prosperous suburb
he dismisses places like Detroit which has an unbelievably high murder rate - because he says the are black and left wing
and then compares this pocket of low murder rate to countries in Europe
and literally *********** himself vigorously over the fact that this little town full of rich gun totting mercans has a lower murder rate than countries in Europe
do you spot what he did? yes it’s so obvious a child could work it out
he takes one tiny part of the US and compares it with the whole of Germany or France or the UK
what he should do is take a part of Germany or France or the UK that has a similar socio economic profile and then compare them
cherry-pickers always get found out
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29 April 2016, 06:38 PM
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29 April 2016, 10:59 PM
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You have to remember that YouTube is simply a gateway to make money for many people, they will post up all sorts of rubbish to get views to make some money.
So no, I dont use YouTube as a source for any conspiracy information.
I have various other sources, none of which I will be linking to on this forum! And I have various offline sources too. My previous job as a freelance security analyst, of which I pursued for 15 years, put me in contact with very interesting people over that period.
Do you believe everything the mainstream media and government tell you?