RS Grant

Totally agree, would be great if they'd listen to enthusiasts rather than accountants... dropping the Impreza name and kissing goodbye to the heritage behind that was a big mistake IMO.

However I think a lot of the Impreza faithful have been seduced by higher quality products by now. I know that I have. It'd take a seriously impressive package for me to consider buying a new Subaru again and if I'm honest, I don't think they're capable of building such a package.


Cheers,
Grant

JPS1

Completely agree with RS Grant.

I've pinched the wife's car keys again today and took the Golf R. I does not fail to keep impressing me..........and what's more it's £75 a week.

I can not think of a better car for the money out there just now. I'm even considering moving on the E63. It is hard to justify something that costs 3 times as much, but is not 3 times better.

Another R makes a lot of sense right now.....if the deals are still available?

Littleted

its a good car, just very very nickable at the moment, Im unsure if its a VW thing but i know Loads of GTIs Rs and Skoda VRS that have been nicked lately....must be something with the engine that the Pikeys can drop it in there 10 year old sheds...

Id have 1 for 300 a month though, PCP for manual is 380 with 500 down.

Maybe get an S3 JP and be a little diff...

Sub97

Is that 300 a month for a personal contract, i.e. including VAT, please?

I have never leased a car, only ever bought them with cash or a private loan etc. I'm very tempted by this though.

Any ideas what sort of mileage you get for 300 a month, please? Also, any recommendations on good companies to look at for these deals? Do you have to put an initial payment down too, or is it literally just 300 a month for the lease period?

Thanks very much for any help/info!

Tidgy

2.0 twin scroll wrx? why bother with an STI then? or is that the plan?

Only time will tell but i wonder if STI's days are numbered like the Evo

Littleted

http://www.nationalvehiclesolutions....al-Lease/37419

RS Grant

I think the 'crazy' low deals have finished, but in truth, I've not checked. I did hear that they were offering some very attractive deals on the Golf R Estate in the fairly recent past, but again, I'm not sure they're still on.

This thread (and Audi/VW section as a whole) might be useful: Pistonheads Link is the thread to ask/check for any updates, however it looks to have been quite dormant recently.


Take a look at the link on Pistonheads above for ideas of where to look, it's 260+ pages long, but I'd think the final 20-30 will give you a good idea where to look and what is/was still possible.

My car is Lease Spec (read: completely standard) and the figures are:

Deposit of £2400 inc VAT
23 payments of £200 inc VAT.
10,000 miles per year
6p per mile penalty for exceeding 20,000 limit of agreement

As I said, if the deal wasn't quite so cheap, I probably wouldn't have bought one; which I'd have been regretting massively right now.

The reason I have one is because I was looking for a replacement car for my sister and when I realised the R was such good value and being in the final stages of finishing a nightmare ownership experience with my 335i and an 'independent specialist'... the spec of the R, the monthlys and the 'safety' of buying from a franchised dealership which we'd dealt with before was too attractive to turn down.


I actually think that if they made a 'proper' BRZ and priced it sensibly, then they'd sell them in high numbers... it's not quite 'true' to the brand that most people relate to being an RWD coupe rather than a 4WD rally rep, but it looks sharp, handles well and with some decent power it'd be fast and very fun.


Cheers,
Grant

Littleted

just been looking at the lease deals, i can have a very nice 50k SQ5 for 420 a month..... Tempting...

JPS1

I use Freedom Contracts for leasing and have leased with them for years. The Golf R is a 2 year deal with a 6x23 payment contract with 10,000 per annum. This also includes road tax for the duration. The service from Freedom is superb.

I am paying exactly £306 per month but added 19" wheels, metallic and DSG box. This figure is VAT inclusive as I always lease privately outside the company.

I believe the deals have risen from when I ordered mine. Since then though I have ordered the new 2015 BMW 335d Msport with freedom. I added Harmon Kardon, 19" wheels and sun protection glass and have got that at £352 including VAT which again is a great deal. As long as you are open to look at all marques and models you can find some tempting buys.

I think the days have gone for me worrying about mega depreciation. This way I know exactly where I am going to be in two years time and then lease something else.

Littleted

U know this upfront amount, does that mean u don't pay then for the first 6 months, or is it basically a lump sum you give them and never see..

Hows
it work ?

JPS1

Basically it is 6 payments up front (deposit) and 23 monthly payments.


I always think of it as 29 x £306


Total 2 year cost is £8874.00

RS Grant

It's an up-front payment, like a deposit on a 'normal' agreement.

I paid £500 to order the car and then £1900 on/just after delivery, the next month the first of my 23 x £200 payments was taken.

It's not for everyone, some people can't get their heads around the fact that at the end of the agreement I won't have anything to show for it. But, certainly with the Golf, I don't think that I could have bought one new for £30k and been confident that after 20k miles and 2 years of use, I'd be guaranteed to clear 22800 (the £7200 that my rental cost) for the car if I was to try and get rid of it... and now, with the sheer amount of Golf Rs which will be coming off-lease around that time after the massive popularity of the lease deals, I'm even less sure that their values will remain as strong as VW first predicted.


Cheers,
Grant

Littleted

yeah know what u mean, some nice cars to be had cheap if you want to save money, i know my A45 is cheaper but not by much and once i add the extras i hazard it will be more...

Quite fancy a sq5 though....
anyway dreaming over :P

Tidgy

Do you pay for maintenance on it?

I realise most things will be covered under warrenty, but oil changes, tyres, brakes etc arn't

Sub97

Great, thanks very much for all the help.

Sub97

If I could get something like that I'd snap their hands off!

RS Grant

Absolutely, the higher spec you go, the quicker that the monthly payments start to rise and the less it makes sense, IMO.

If I remember right, the 19" wheel option (only one I swithered about) was an extra £30 or £40 per month, which I decided against... and regret every time I see an R on the 19" wheels!! Buying a good set to retro-fit is going to sting me £1500+ which I'm not really comfortable with either, so it would seem the standard 18" wheels will remain for the rest of my lease.


Yep, pay for servicing as well as the obvious wear and tear stuff you mention... but since you have the option of what type of servicing to choose, I chose LongLife servicing, which means that I should only be doing a single service over the two years I have the car; which is a fair bit less than I'd service a car of 'my own' over that period but at least I ran it in sympathetically and follow my usual warm up/cool down procedure that I'm sure a lot of lease cars don't get treated to.


Yep, the deal was too good to walk away from... and I am so glad that I took the plunge now.


Cheers,
Grant

Saxo Boy

The options thing annoys me. The headline lease/pcp deals are nearly always based on a poverty spec car. In the case of the Golf R, it looks gash on the 18s (amazing on the 19s) and is actually quite poorly equipped.

On a personal level, I prefer well specced cars as I find many of the options invaluable in day to day driving. Heated seats are great in winter, adaptive cruise is ace on the motorway, uprated sound systems are a must if you like your tunes, etc. I prefer the approach with the Seat Leon Cupra and Skoda VRS, where much of the essentials are included. The S3 is even worse; on the face of it, it seems good value compared to the Golf in the same way that the Golf seems good value compared to the Cupra. However, if you spec them all to the Cupra standard there is a clear price difference from Cupra-Golf-Audi.

I really wish the manufactures would do over arching "options packs" (I think mini do this with their Chillie packs, etc) that includes a lot of kit. Hopefully, lease/pcp deals would then start to show the "standard" car and the "works pack" (or whatever you call it) for easier comparison.

As it stands, I routinely get sucked in/excited about some of the deals you see, however, the value evaporates quickly when you add stuff. All that said, I'm probably the exception to the rule. It seems like 90% of the population are happy to drive around in Golf R/BMW's/Audi's etc with less spec than a basic focus just so they can say they drive a Golf R/BMW or Audi. :shrug:

JPS1

To me if I am going to drive a car for a couple of years, I will add the right options to make the time more enjoyable, lease or no lease!


I don't mind paying for this on a lease as in the same way I would buy outright. I always knew a more heavily spec car would cost me more up front and be more desirable at the time of sale, but really worth no more to the dealer with his Glass's guide hand book. Its the same with leasing.


I saw a Audi S5 a few months ago with 20" wheels and metallic. A B&O stereo was standard which sounded amazing and it was £480.00 a month all in. I then found out it had no Sat Nav.........on a nearly £50,000 car........really!


It was another £1500 extra.

RS Grant

I'm not a VW fanboy or R-model nobber for the record and I'm very conscious of the fact that this reply might put me dangerously close to the Golf R version of the 'M135i can do no wrong' zone... but I'm going to reply anyway!!

I know it depends what you're used to having fitted to your car, but I actually find the R pretty well specced as standard?

Touchscreen audio, great bluetooth interface for calls/music, auto adaptive xenons, auto dipping mirror, dual zone climate, adaptive cruise, privacy glass, great info centre/computer, different driving modes, folding mirrors etc... the only things which I think it doesn't have that my 335i had is Sat Nav and Heated Seats, neither of which are features I miss given I work/socialise locally and have the cloth/alcantara interior.

I totally agree with you that leasing is restrictive though and if I was buying a car, then like yourself I would be looking for a car with more options and in the case of an R; they'd likely be 19" wheels, Dynamic Dampers and Dynaudio Upgrade... but at a guess, that would have pushed my monthly payments somewhere into the mid £300s, which being c175% of what I'm paying just now, wouldn't have been as much of a 'deal' for me.


I buy into that with some manufacturers, but as I said above, the spec on the R seems pretty decent to me. I've experienced a good example of what you say with Porsche actually, after recently looking at a Cayman S to replace one of the cars in the family the amount of non-standard equipment was almost unbelievable.


Cheers,
Grant

fpan

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^This.
I still can't understand for example why people add leather seats instead of xenon lights! Probably for the reason you say to show off.

Saxo Boy

Actually, in fairness, looking at the configurator again, you make a decent point - it certainly isn't poverty.

I didn't realise the ACC was standard on the Golf R. My only must haves would be:

Paint - £610
19s - £895
DCC - £830
Nav - £750 (Pro would be nice but it's £1,765)
Winter Pack - £355

That lot comes to nearly £3,500 and you're at £4k if the Dynaudio tempts you. I'd also have the DSG version so the base cost is higher too. With my chosen options I'm probably adding around 15% to the cost of the car. like you say though, you effectively gain nothing back on the options so on a 36 month lease/PCP you effectively add £100 pcm to stick £3500 worth of options on. In the case of the Leon the DCC and Nav are standard, which helps a lot.

urban

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Mate, get an alarm fitted to your home