dpb

The shoe doesn't have to be on the other foot when you enter without an invite using force!

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Lefty crap.

They wouldn't be starving if they hadn't arrived in France, illegally, with no means of support.
Should the shopkeepers give their food away? Or do nowt when their livelihood is stolen?

And what of wandering around on motorways, forcibly stopping lorries, breaking into said lorries, offering violence to drivers who attempt to stop them doing so, breaking down fences at the port and Eurotunnel, trespass, disruption of Eurotunnel and port services, boarding trains without tickets, etc etc etc........

GET THEM GONE!!!! Or shoot 'em.

DYK

To be honest a lot goes un reported.like a truck driver who found an immigrant hiding under the wind canopy of his truck.The driver pulled him off and the illegal pulled out a knife,so the driver hit him with an iron bar.guess what ? The driver is now serving 12 months in French jail,it takes that long under French law they can hold you for 12 months in jail my very close truck mates at our place of work was there when it happened.I know guys who have done European work for 30 years and are giving the job up,I gave it up after two years..but thinking about it again

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

surely with the amount of money being spent on security it would be cheeper to give all 3500 of them 5 grand and ship them back to wherever they came from, therefore making them rich n safe in their own country

Dirk Diggler 75

The French are just turning a blind eye because they don't want them,it's time for the British government to stand up and be counted ......

Sad Weevil

iTrader: (1)

It seems you wouldn't recognise Left Wing even if it crept into your house at night and nationalised your pants drawer.....a little compassion for your fellow man isn't solely the preserve of the Left, and not all of the Left share that compassion. The Khmer Rouge weren't too hot on peace, love, and understanding iirc.



Yee Haw.

JTaylor

The utter heartlessness on display leads me to a dark place. These people are desperate and most are displaced owing to western interference. That I once supported 'intervention' makes the dark place darker.

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

i thought most of them where trying to escape religous in fighting, not western interference, what are the uk doing to hurt dafur at this moment in time, i am honestly interested to know

JTaylor

What's "dafur"?

c_maguire

This 'intervention' you are talking about, is that your support for invading Iraq on the back of dodgy information courtesy of Tony Blair (AKA Middle East Envoy). Plenty fell for that, and I'd happily punch his lights out if I had the chance and could get away with it.
We should have left well alone, but Iraq came after 9/11 so there were problems brewing anyway. The amount of time and money spent by the Western 1st World countries 'dealing' with Islam is plain crazy. As time passes my enthusiasm to accomodate them in any way is disappearing fast, where's a plague of locusts when you want it? Concede too much now and it'll never end.

JTaylor

I just believed that the prospect of a fair and pluralistic Afghanistan/Iraq/Libya etc. was preferable to those states being led by the Taliban, Saddam and Gaddafi et. al. I genuinely supported regime change on the grounds that 'we' could facilitate a better life for the people in those countries. Actually, we couldn't. All we've done is worsen the situation and that I couldn't see that coming fills me with shame. The west cannot change North Africa, the Middle East and South Asia, it is the regions themselves that need to evolve accordingly. That's assuming that a foundation of Islam allows for 'progression'.

c_maguire

Technology is having a negative impact in this regard. The ease of travel, internet, and the reach of global media now means that essentially backward countries/continents are far more aware of what is happening in more developed societies. They are then either attracted by or offended by these more progressive societies. And access to technology (whether planes, guns, computers or another) allows them to act on their feelings.
We lose, whatever they do.

JTaylor

The young 'progressives' of the Arab Spring were out-numbered and out-financed and out-thought by the Islamists when the power vacuums were created. They couldn't defeat millennia of cultural entrenchment and momentum so why did we think we could off the back of a military intervention. We've been naïve in the extreme. As you say, there's no win.

c_maguire

We need people like Saddam, Muammar and Bashar to slow down progress in their countries, thereby allowing for a speed of advancement that can be managed and controlled.
What has happened now is like Michael Carroll winning the lottery. He couldn't handle the freedom it provided and it all went to sh4t. And now the State is paying for him.

JTaylor

Yes. They're centuries behind.

c_maguire

It doesn't matter how intelligent or progressive you are if the other guy is the one with the gun.
The mistake 'We' made (having c4cked up by interfering in the first place) was not following through at the start with absolute commitment and force.

c_maguire

With access to modern technology.
Oh dear.

JTaylor

We couldn't make it stick because we were dealing with forces more powerful than we'd anticipated. History will laugh at our hubris.

JTaylor

21st century tech. coupled with 6th century ideology.

c_maguire

They became more powerful than anticipated.

hodgy0_2

what forces, simple belief and blind faith?

JTaylor

Partly.

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

part of sudan, where a lot of them are coming from

JTaylor

Ah, Darfur. Well, I guess we can't take responsibility for that situation.

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

ok i spelt it wrong lol, still don't give them the right to come here though

David Lock

Incredible ignorance of the facts and stunning inhumanity. Perhaps you would like to bring back concentration camps? That'll learn 'em.


dl

warrenm2

Perhaps you'd like to adopt 4 Africans to live with you?

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Point to any fact I quoted which isn't fact?

David Lock

For starters it is not lefty crap.


You say they wouldn't be starving at home. Yes they would. You seem to have no comprehension of what many of their lives were really like. Do you think they travelled to France for the food - no that came because their neighbours were being beheaded and their daughters kidnapped and raped. What would you do if your family were in this situation?


And to suggest that they should be shot just makes your post inhumane and ridiculous.


dl

Sad Weevil

iTrader: (1)

Absolutely this. But for accident of birth, it could be any one of us. I would hope that all of us would do whatever it takes to ensure our family's safety and futures when our world is turned upside down. The facts that are being ignored here are who these people really are. They've been dehumanised and demonised in 'certain sections' of the media, and some people unfortunately believe the untruths and half truths.
German people have a different outlook on this, 93% saying it is right to give asylum to those fleeing conflict. Warehouses throughout the country are stacked with donated clothing and stuff. Gemany expects up to 800,000 aslylum applications in 2015. The only people upset about this are the small minority of Neo *****.

Sounds to me like Alcazar is proposing a Final Solution.