Martin2005

No risking their lives

hodgy0_2

no, but the problem is - as demonstrated by this thread the term migrant and refugee seemed to be used interchangeably when discussing this issue - and any complete answer is difficult

it suites people with agenda's to simply label everyone as migrants - it sort of relieves us of any morality in these discussion

I believe at the very least, we should act with compassion regarding refugees and meet our legal and moral obligations

do we share some responsibility in creating this mess in the middle east - well I would say yes, our foreign policy (arms sales etc) i.e. meddling has been a disaster for many years in this region

and this crisis shows that things are coming home to roost

JTaylor

Fair enough.

c_maguire

And there is the nub.
It's no different than many other topics argued over on here.
Benefits.
Muslims.
Immigrants.
Even homosexuals in a roundabout way.

The p@ss-takers spoil it for the rest, who may well be honest, genuine, decent or whatever else. Political correctness often results in a softly-softly approach to the issue and a large proportion of the population becomes fed up with the lot of them. The milk is soured, too much trouble, boll@cks to the lot of them.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Which has been my point in the similar thread about the ex-eastern Bloc countries:

The media has wilfully fudged the actual demographic of the refugees/migrants, so no-one in the UK has any idea what, or who, they really are.

Further to this, they have created waves of sympathy for a group, the most part of which, deserve no such sympathy, and a small part of which just might end up as a danger to national security.
And this at a time when the general population are being told every month or so that new legislation is needed to curb the security dangers....new legislation which almost always erodes OUR freedoms.

dpb

Which freedoms in particular ?

Kind of the world we've built I suspect

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

How about the freedom to enter an aircraft without having had to remove your shoes?
How about the freedom to take fluids on board an aircraft?
How about the freedom to have phonecalls, texts etc be private?

The bl**dy terrorists are winning...they create terror which makes US change our ways of doing things, inconveniences US.

hodgy0_2

You will always get the p1ss takers, scrounges, freeloaders, lunatics, ne'er-do-wells in every race, colour, creed and socio economic group

The con, the line we have been fed, is that you HAVE to design EVERY system around them

The lowest common denominator

The latest round of benefit/tax credits cuts are a classic example

In fact Quite a few conservatives politicians absolutely know these cuts will cause real hardship for a lot (the majority) of really hard working families - not scroungers not people spunking tax payers money up the wall ***** nilly - like some politicians

But ordinary people, hard working people, people with jobs, two jobs sometimes

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Best post I have seen for a while, why am I not surprised it came from you.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Two in one night, you're on a roll.

Some serious fcuktards on here lately, wake up and smell the coffee.

Oldest trick in the book, divide and conquer, they do it over and over again, yet still the masses just don't get it.

hodgy0_2

Yep, and thanks Ditch

As Zip106 memorably put it on the 911 thread

"Anyone, can make anything, sound plausible and convincing.
It only takes the gullible to believe it."

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Well I wouldn't expect anything else from him, he grew up in almost the same area as me and went to the same school.

P.S: That's actually true by the way.

dpb

I can't say any of that has slowed me down , I don't fly a lot mind .

And iv nothing to hide from anyone listening

I do have voicemail code . Just In case the fail is listening ...

hodgy0_2

Lol,

Also, I would slightly modify Zips earlier statement

It only takes sthe gullible AND YouTube/Facebook to believe it

Petem95

Interesting read on the immigration situation in Sweden. Over there it's pretty much outlawed to even question mass immigration, and obviously as a result they receive a vast amount of third world immigrants. No doubt hodgy0_2 friends would love the UK to become like this.

Going to be an interesting few decades ahead for Europe. Maybe it'll become a big socialist utopia with everyone living in perfect harmony like one big happy family and all the liberals shouting "told you so!" or maybe we're in for huge trouble ahead as debt-ravaged and increasingly divided countries with ludicrously unsustainable welfare states face social unrest on a massive scale.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...ticle26338254/

Sounds like bliss!

dpb

In Sweden, where equality is revered, inequality is now entrenched. Forty-two per cent of the long-term unemployed are immigrants, Mr. Sanandaji said. Fifty-eight per cent of welfare payments go to immigrants. Forty-five per cent of children with low test scores are immigrants. Immigrants on average earn less than 40 per cent of Swedes. The majority of people charged with murder, rape and robbery are either first- or second-generation immigrants.

This is damming indictment for your indigenous Swedes efforts !

~ the figures should be no where near 50%


Sweden has a large programme working /development in Africa ,which is one reason for the numbers Africans in Sweden , clearly you can't abide with this

hodgy0_2

Lol,

The article reads a bit like the old climate change cartoon

Petem95

So I guess you see Europe ending up as some sort of socialist utopia dpb? You think vast numbers of unskilled migrants can be easily assimilated into communities and provide a positive contribution to economies?

dpb

Worked for the British empire 100 years ago

Petem95

It's hardly comparable to the current situation?! The British Empire benefited Britain because it brought additional resources from the colonised countries which could be used or sold for profit, a source of cheap labour (I guess this is the comparison you are making?) and additional taxation.

The current wave of mass unskilled immigration doesn't bring us any additional physical resources, we get extra unskilled workers, but these are hardly needed, and quite the opposite of the Empire the additional people are an additional drain on our finances.

dpb

So we landed there used up their resources put the population to task


And now you won't let some of them back, even as navvies.

c_maguire

It would be nice if you could string a few cogent arguments together, whatever point you are trying to make.

dpb

Ah , edl , Luton contingent hello

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

is it possible to argue without insulting? Seemingly not for many on here.

JTaylor

hodgy0_2

Yeah, as I thought bloke pissing off the side of the cockpit

W4nkers, burn in hell

DYK

You don't fly much,then you lucky.nah actually it ain't that bad,just some of the d1ckheads you get at airports while waiting..😑

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

Right, or you could go with the more obvious interpretation that attempting to integrate hundreds of thousands of people from hugely different backgrounds and cultures into a country thousands of miles away from where they originally came from is an exercise, if not doomed to failure, guaranteed to run far far less smoothly than many who were in support of it would have everyone believe. Doubly so when the country of reception is considered to be somewhat unique in its way of life, its landscape and its climate, even within the confines of its own continental union block.

dpb

Unique ? how


Is their major export still ABBA ??

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

If you're seriously trying to suggest that Scandinavia doesn't have at the very least a highly distinctive geography and climate relative to most of the rest of Europe, the only person you're making a fool of is yourself.