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Old Sep 9, 2015 | 05:23 PM
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dont know if this was actually said but it's very funny,i read it just now
NATIONAL LEVELS OF ALERT - THREATS TO EUROPE
From JOHN CLEESE

The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events in Syria and have therefore raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out.

Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to "A Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.

The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the *******s." They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.

The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France 's white flag factory, effectively paralysing the country's military capability.

Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."

The Germans have increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbour" and "Lose."

Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels .

The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

Australia , meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries" to "She'll be right, Mate." Two more escalation levels remain: "Crikey! I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!" and "The barbie is cancelled." So far no situation has ever warranted use of the last final escalation level.

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And as a final thought - Greece is collapsing, the Iranians are getting aggressive, and Rome is in disarray. Welcome back to 430 BC.
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Old Sep 9, 2015 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
he wouldnt be employed otherwise !
Oh? I really didn't think he was your kind of hack. Or are you just saying that out of professional respect for his oeuvre, rather than sharing his actual views?
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Old Sep 9, 2015 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Moral dilemma:

If 1 in 10,000 refugees was an IS operative, would you refuse entry to all 10,000 refugees?

all sorts of bad people get in under pretence asylum , if they have power influence and money

nothing new there
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Old Sep 9, 2015 | 09:25 PM
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thoughts on this ? put this in your search bar

http://www.infowars.com/muslim-refug...s-throw-feces/
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Old Sep 9, 2015 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
If you can get past the fact it's in The Fail, this article is worth a read:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...g-country.html

I don't necessarily agree, but think it's an honest piece.
As usual, Peter Hitchens cuts out all the chaff and says what we all feel but don't want to hear. He explains quite succinctly what I can't stand and that is all the non-thinking knee jerk hysteria surrounding this crisis whipped up by an image printed in the media. It gives people an other opportunity to massage their conscience to show everyone how they're more caring than others by plastering "likes" and hashtags all over the social media.
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Old Sep 9, 2015 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
As usual, Peter Hitchens cuts out all the chaff and says what we all feel but don't want to hear. He explains quite succinctly what I can't stand and that is all the non-thinking knee jerk hysteria surrounding this crisis whipped up by an image printed in the media. It gives people an other opportunity to massage their conscience to show everyone how they're more caring than others by plastering "likes" and hashtags all over the social media.

Well said that man !
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Old Sep 9, 2015 | 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by markjmd
Oh? I really didn't think he was your kind of hack. Or are you just saying that out of professional respect for his oeuvre, rather than sharing his actual views?
hacks just write whatever you want to read !
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Old Sep 10, 2015 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
If you can get past the fact it's in The Fail, this article is worth a read:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...g-country.html

I don't necessarily agree, but think it's an honest piece.
in effect a manifesto for doing nothing, except luxuriate in our good fortune to live on an island

that's an quite easy gig - represent the status quo

or can you point me to any part of his article that has anything constructive to say, any solutions

apart from the obvious one of "stop having empathy with people less fortunate and caring too much" - which is often par for the course for someone with "deeply held religious convictions"

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Old Sep 10, 2015 | 09:31 AM
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So long as we "care" about the same as the rich Arab states do, I'll be OK.
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Old Sep 10, 2015 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
in effect a manifesto for doing nothing, except luxuriate in our good fortune to live on an island

that's an quite easy gig - represent the status quo

or can you point me to any part of his article that has anything constructive to say, any solutions

apart from the obvious one of "stop having empathy with people less fortunate and caring too much" - which is often par for the course for someone with "deeply held religious convictions"
Take it up with one of the members who endorsed the article.
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Old Sep 10, 2015 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
in effect a manifesto for doing nothing, except luxuriate in our good fortune to live on an island

that's an quite easy gig - represent the status quo

or can you point me to any part of his article that has anything constructive to say, any solutions

apart from the obvious one of "stop having empathy with people less fortunate and caring too much" - which is often par for the course for someone with "deeply held religious convictions"
The first rule of fixing ANY problem is not to make matters worse by attempting to apply misguided and foolish solutions, and squandering any resources that might of been used for wiser solutions in the process. Hitchens does at least point out that much of what's being proposed at the moment falls squarely into that category, and explains why.
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Old Sep 10, 2015 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by markjmd
The first rule of fixing ANY problem is not to make matters worse by attempting to apply misguided and foolish solutions, and squandering any resources that might of been used for wiser solutions in the process. Hitchens does at least point out that much of what's being proposed at the moment falls squarely into that category, and explains why.
sure i get that

i just read the article and could not see any attempt at proposing a "wiser solution"

on another matter it would be interesting to know what were the other "really successful civilisations"

"Most of the really successful civilisations survived because they were protected from invasion by mountains, sea, deserts or a combination of these things. Ask the Russians or the Poles what it’s like to live without the shield of the sea."
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Old Sep 10, 2015 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
sure i get that

i just read the article and could not see any attempt at proposing a "wiser solution"
Point already answered in my previous post. Just because he doesn't make any concrete proposals for a better solution doesn't make it any less true that the starting point should be not to make matters worse.
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on another matter it would be interesting to know what were the other "really successful civilisations"

"Most of the really successful civilisations survived because they were protected from invasion by mountains, sea, deserts or a combination of these things. Ask the Russians or the Poles what it’s like to live without the shield of the sea."
This is the most basic common sense, but if you really want specific examples, the Egyptians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, etc.
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Old Sep 10, 2015 | 06:52 PM
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Ok, so ancient civilisations - nothing like being current
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Old Sep 10, 2015 | 07:51 PM
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Looks like another East v West war
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Old Sep 10, 2015 | 08:08 PM
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Old Sep 10, 2015 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Ok, so ancient civilisations - nothing like being current
If you want more recent, what better example than the British Empire itself.
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Old Sep 10, 2015 | 11:07 PM
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It's pretty obvious the majority of the country does not want more asylum seekers,why does the government continue to ignore the people that voted them in????
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Old Sep 10, 2015 | 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler 75
It's pretty obvious the majority of the country does not want more asylum seekers,why does the government continue to ignore the people that voted them in????
Because the government should lead, not follow!
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Old Sep 10, 2015 | 11:27 PM
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Suckers for a dead baby... the end. **** all the dead babies in the rest of the world, this one made it on the front of The Sun
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Old Sep 11, 2015 | 07:56 AM
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Yes can happen anywhere
Teh difference here is teh west set in motion (imo) the expectation that each and every middle east state could be perfectly free and democratically run. Syria was always going to be a complete disaster if attempted , look at the Russian backing of assad.
and all the other states are in semi chaos.

We have to cope with the consequences of the failed "Arab spring "experiment together with a bunch of total extremist religious fruitcakes who have taken advantage of the chaos
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Not sure if anyone has said it yet but, I would have to be pretty desperate to flog whatever I could to raise a few grand so that I could put my Mrs and son into a 20 foot inflatable with 100 people in it and head out across the channel, then travel by hook or crook another 2/3000 miles in the hope of a "better" life.

Only to arrive at a place full of hate filled people that want to send me back to a war zone simply because they perceive me to be after a piece of what they have. Of course I want a bit of what they have who doesn't want peace, security and an earner to be able to feed their family without fear of being shot or bombed in the middle of the night.

The biggest irony in the whole situation being, the place I want to go to raped, cheated and pillaged the rest of the world to arrive at it's "Greatness" and now it's oh so great citizens that have reaped the rewards are ever so reluctant to even hand out a crumb to those in need, and that's before we get to the bit about our current governments part in creating their situation.

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Old Sep 11, 2015 | 11:01 AM
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Pathological Altruism .... yeah the West is the devil bla bla bla .... Syria is completely absolved of responsibility... blood is on our hands... how do you liberals sleep at night without oppressing your mattresses zzzzzz
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Old Sep 11, 2015 | 11:30 AM
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I don't think the Syrians should have started anything

But what are you saying, fly them all back to Aleppo etc.?
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Old Sep 11, 2015 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Because the government should lead, not follow!
Wrong again...you make a habit of this, don't you mate?

Government are elected to do the will of the people.
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I'm not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination.

I think we should have never become involved and let them get on with it, let them duke it out until the last man is standing, would have been my personal preference, but that ship sailed with Saddam.

My solution would be to stop them coming in the first place and set up a safe haven for them within their own borders, much like the no fly zone etc that was set up for the kurdish people and ship aid and medical supplies etc to them, as opposed to just allowing mass migration into the EU, but that ship has also sailed.

So here we are with probably in the region of 1 million people "heading our way" and everyones arms are flaying about either saying yes we should or no we shouldn't, while organised criminals take advantage of desperate people, with god knows what happening to them along the way.

In the mean time the governments of the world continue to do nothing about addressing the root of the problem, so in come more people, those already here argue amongst themselves.

Nothing much changes, rich get richer, poor get poorer and the status quo continues.
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Wrong again...you make a habit of this, don't you mate?

Government are elected to do the will of the people.
That would explain a hell of a lot. Certainly should give a few people something to think about next time they whinge about politicians.
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Originally Posted by dpb
I don't think the Syrians should have started anything

But what are you saying, fly them all back to Aleppo etc.?
Can't type too busy googling how many babies I need to push overboard to get asylum in Monaco

'Not in our name' runs both ways, don't want anything to do with war and don't want their war torn ***** over here It's nothing to do with 99% of the UK so stop trying to emotionally blackmail people to your agenda with dead babies.

#liberalsarespinlesscnutsspoutingoffbehindthesafet yofferedbybritisharmedforces
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Wrong again...you make a habit of this, don't you mate?

Government are elected to do the will of the people.
this is like scoring a 180 in darts SPOT ON THE MARK, shame they don't consult the public on something as game changing as this, it affects us all yet we have no say in the matter
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Wasnt me that mentioned dead babies
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