here you go in english may i ask you who you think is going to be paying all the taxes needed to support all these economic migrants and our own economic dependant's ? and also do you have any fingerprint's left after all the hand wringing ? now how about a answer in english, not in mp or in leftie speak

 

Looks like you are getting 20k worth.

http://news.sky.com/story/1548298/ca...20000-refugees

 

So citizenship, do you realise how long that is, typically ,after claiming asylum?

 

do you reject the benefits of all immigration

the West Indians of the 60's, the Ugandan Asians of the 70's, the Poles of the 80's

 

The UK taxpayers, including the vast majority of migrants.

Fingerprints?? That's just an idiotic point. Showing concern for others is clearly an alien concept to you.

 

The media and large part of the UK population were also against Britain granting asylum to thousand of Jews in the 30s & 40s.

Leaders should lead not follow public opinion, on this Cameron has been left looking like an idiot.

 

yes, history repeats itself - i suspect the same old arguments were use then

i though all the figure show that "migrants" are net contributors anyway

 

min wages earner pays about £140 a month in tax and ni , cb for 3kids is about £180 every 4 weeks if a migrant family has 2 or more children there is no way they could ever pay enough tax to be a net contributer, now take in to account nhs schooling, and social housing it makes it even more impossible, add to that paying for them to learn our language it's not even close to being funny, you sheeple need to learn some math's let alone english, 45 YEARS OF WORK ON MIN WAGE pays £75600 in tax and ni it would probably be cheeper to rebuild their countries and then keep our noses out of other peoples lives, but that ain't going to happen is it, why because of good old OIL

 

have a read of some research on the matter

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...20bn-ucl-study

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-arti...EU-immigration

full research here

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...immigration-uk

what UKIP said about the research

MEP Steven Woolfe, Ukip's migration spokesman, said: "The principal issue for Ukip has never been about whether immigrants are all 'benefit scroungers'. We recognise that immigration can be economically advantageous for the UK. That's why we are the only major political party proposing a points-based immigration system that will accentuate the benefits to Britain while reducing any negative impact.

"What this study doesn't do is to show what wealth our own people could have generated if they weren't subjected to wage-reducing, employment-displacing mass immigration from the EU. Nor does it truly take into account the opportunity costs to the UK of substituting large sections of Britain's workforce with migrant labour."

nothing is a simple as your rants suggest

 

1. But most are either skilled jobs or in theSE and London where anyone doing them can't afford to live without...yes, you guessed it...BENEFITS!!! So what's the point? Nett takers again.
There are very, very few jobs in the parts of the country where folk can a) afford to live and b) immigrants move to. Yorks and Humber had rising unemployment for most of this year, while Osborne crowed about it falling...it's the Bliar non-existant North-South divide.

2. Really????? You believe this? They got an inflation-busting 1% if anything, most's Winter payments were removed and many lost benefits that kept them warm and fed. Just exactly HOW did they do well???????

 

Most migrants earn only just enough to pay taxes, plus they often go home, allowing another in, before paying any, or so they can claim it back. The taxes most pay do not pay for their social housing, NHS and children's education.
When are you going to accept that the vast majority of them are nett takers? plus they are doing the starter jobs our youths used to do, so people now point the finger at our youth as feckless and lazy...NOT true!!!

Over one half of the reported crime in our local paper is now Eastern Europeans. And that's the ones who turn up in court!

 

it's as simple as selective immigration , 1 immigrant doctor is never going to pay enough tax to support the other 100 min wage (potential only ) that came with them is he/she, no one in this country with a family with 1 or more child on a min wage pays for themselves that the fact of the matter, it don't take a mathamatical fiscal studies genius to work that out surely,London 1942 where did our young people go? They went fought the ***** and rebuilt the Country that's what they did.
What they didn't do was leave the UK for a better life elsewhere and desert the old and vulnerable.
People have short memories, or choose to ignore.

 

I've been following this debate on here with interest - so thought I should finally add something:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34172729

An interesting article comparing the UK position with Germany's position from an economic angle (not moral).

The two relevant points (leaving aside moral ones) are that:
the UK's population is rising fast, whereas Germany's is falling fast;
the dependency ratio (the proportion of expensive older people in the population relative to able-bodied, tax-generating workers) is rising much quicker in Germany than in the UK

My view - I think Cameron has (belatedly) made the right call (by agreeing to accept more refugees from the camps in (or around Syria)). I do not think we should encourage economic migration, if they are safe in Hungary/Turkey/Wherever, they should not be risking their lives or their children's lives for purely economic reasons.

 

im not quite sure why everybody seems convinced these asylum seekers will be on minimum wage anyway , if as and when they might be allowed to actually stay and thence work

 

Well no doubt, assuming information is coming from the BBC or the Guardian...

Let's look at some factual information compiled by MigratioWatch;

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/key-topics/economics

We need migration of course, as Martin2005 rightly highlighted earlier in the thread, our demographics are terrible with an ageing population, but what we need is SKILLED immigration not unskilled, and also to encourage higher birth rates amongst productive sections of society. Unskilled migration is just adding further burden. You could maybe argue the offspring of these unskilled migrants will grow up to become net contributors however, but in the short/medium term they are a drain on the UK.

 

Well thats easy enough , just get rid of benefits


Your asylum seekers will still rock up !

and that what were talking about here

 

You should really address that to Martin, who waded in with the shocking admission a couple of pages back that the majority of migrants trying to get here were of the economic variety, and not refugees from conflict zones.

 

Lol, even the migrationwatch references the study I linked to

But as ever they totally misrepresent the findings

From the ACTUAL research paper

"Our findings indicate that, when considering the resident immigrant population in each year from 1995 to 2011, immigrants from the European Economic Area (EEA) have made a positive fiscal contribution, even during periods when the UK was running budget deficits"


and you talk about accurate reporting,

 

Migrants from the EU yes, you'd expect them to make a positive contribution as they're economic migrants who work hard and contribute, and I would say they could almost be considered skilled migrants. They also tend not to have too many dependants in tow.

Compare this to migration from outside the EU from places like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Somalia - majority unskilled, often with families in tow. Like I said the UK needs migrants, but it needs the right sort that can/will contribute.

 

teh right sort

i think weve got your number mate

 

But migrants from those areas can't just turn and get in - the numbers that can and do must be staggeringly small

I'm not saying for one minute we have uncontrolled migration, or that migration can cause some problems

I just hate the hysteria around it

 

In parliament today:
"Mr Cameron told MPs that the suffering of the Syrian people and others trying to make it to Europe in recent weeks was "heartbreaking" and that the UK was stepping up its effort to help those displaced by the conflict."

Meh. Another bleeding heart lefty.

 

ffs the majority protagonists can't decide whether they're oppsed immigration migration asylum and from inside outside or an other planet ,from one day to the next .

and frequently change their minds !

I can guarantee those darkies from outside the EU will be working harder though, theyve no choice - they are expected to!

 

And what about figures from outside the EEA?

 

If you're a uk citizen you pay UK tax !

Unless you're rich enough to avoid it...

 

Look, we spend £12BILLION a year on aid at the moment and it hasn't made a jot of difference. And now it's ring-fenced.

If you are so clever, tell us what needs done?

Africa, for one has had HUNDREDS of billions poured in and is still on the edge...where does it go, do you think?

 

Even if you've certain amount leave to remain / indefinite, you pay tax

You can't just collect it at the border as you, presumably ( according to some to some on here) smuggle yourself out and then back in to uk.

Non eea. Probably pay more tax

 

But if you earn under the threshold before leaving? You get it all back? And while you're here, you can claim benefits for any children still at home.

Nett takers, face up to it man.

The only things they have done for the UK is to make the rich richer, and make our youth mostly unemployed.
Liebour have conned a generation.

 

Lord Rothermere, proprietor of the Daily Mail, doesn't pay tax in this country, he's domiciled in France. He's a very rich man. Just saying....

 

The African continent is a ticking bomb as regards population growth of the uneducated and unskilled. Ultimately there will come a time where strict border controls for wealthy developed countries will not be up for debate.

This is not a subject we should be embracing.