scoobyboy1

iTrader: (16)

The bloke who owns the Chinese restaurant I use always goes on about "Woking the dog" Never actually see him walking anywhere really, but he says that "Woking dog good"

scoobyabs

iTrader: (4)

How about English expats living in Spain, they do a really good job of Integrating into the Spanish way of life.

Most English Expats do not bother to learn the Spanish Language.

English Expats have there own Shops that sell British products and like to spend time with other expats in there English Bars and Pubs.

If they require there car to be repaired or serviced they will use a English Expat run Garage.

If there home requires any repairs they will use a English Expat Builder.

English Expats live in there own little Communities in Spain.

This is a typical Scoobynet Asian bashing thread.

Why not start a Thread asking why Black and Chinese people do not go on walks in the English Country Side.

Turbohot

Well said, as I myself was about to raise this expat behaviour in comparison.

This is the way it is, here on SN. A thread with simple curiosity about Asians would descend to bash Asians, just because they don't go for frikking walks FFS! 'This is England'-ers would do that at every opportunity. Don't let it get you down, though.

Blacks and Chinese also get bashed here, so do women, gays, transgender/transsexuals and disabled. So, Asians aren't alone in that tbh.

Spoon

So that pretty much makes for a fair playing field then.

OK, it might appear harsher if you're a quadriplegic Asian lesbian named Brian.

Turbohot

Ok, did it highlight the reasons why?

You seem to think that it's to do with the concept of leisurely walk being alien to Asians, like the context of jogging is; to the Africans? Is that what that article said?

When I said I read it a long time ago, in 2009-2011 I coordinated and managed an all Wales project with the aim to physically and socially activate BME people in Wales, and ended up with much live study of the subject. Even the project funding was based upon the previous studies done around 2008, so that was indeed a long time ago. That project was aimed at already disabled BME, and the idea was to prevent further isolation and physical/psychological deterioration in them. Why I'm telling you that because such articles were published even then, and if there are newer articles, good! However, this doesn't mean that Asians are ignorant of the concept and benefits of walks though.

I support the encouragement for walks and physical activities in BME and locals. Green therapy is good for everyone, not just for Asians, Blacks, Chinese and Polish. I don't mean Green Party by 'green'. I mean the visual intake of the greenery around you while on walks, not just gazing at a table plant in your office, and that's it. The reasons to why Asians do not do much walks, that I seem to believe, may be different to what some others may believe, yet walks are good no doubt, even if done seasonally, and more people should do them.

Welsh countryside is stunning! You're all welcome to walk with me (English included) this end, this summer.

Note: Internet weirdos need not apply.

Turbohot

Look, you're always sardonic and scornful with your posts of this ^ sort, but if what I said is harsh for you, then you might as well be a 'This is England'-er type of poster, you know.

LSherratt

iTrader: (1)

There's nothing better than walking up the local hill on a lazy summers Sunday with the family and dogs. I have never seen anyone else up there or in the hillside pub other than white people.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Nothing like a bit of stereotyping eh.

Having spent a reasonable amount of time in India and a little in Kashmir, I can confirm that Indians and indeed Kashmiris do in fact go for walks and even take their kids to parks on a daily basis, some of them actually go to tourist attractions too

They are in fact no different to people in any of the other countries I have visited or the one I live in now, Croatia, where it's a bit of a tradition for the family to go for a walk an hour or two after lunch, particularly now as it's wild asparagus season so everyman and his dog go out picking it for it's health benefits, apparently it cleans the Kidneys.

All I can guess is maybe it's something to do with the British weather or even possibly some of the people they may encounter on said walk that they would rather not, if this thread and many others are anything to go by, it's no surprise really.

hodgy0_2

One of the main reasons to walk in the countryside is to exercise dogs

Maybe Asians are less likely to own dogs

Dirk Diggler 75

I was going to comment ,what's the point it will just get removed.
Talk about free speech lol ......

Turbohot

Generally speaking (like we are, on this thread), Asian Indians will have a dog without any hitch. They love having them as pets in India. They'll prefer a dog to a cat, even. They may prefer a cat if they feel cold, like I do, because as you say, having a dog means taking it out for a walk; unconditional of any season. May be other Asians are less likely to have dogs, though. I don't know.

LSherratt

iTrader: (1)

Isn't it true that they are indeed very unlikely to own dogs? Something to do with thinking they're unhygienic?

hodgy0_2

Yes, I believe so

Turbohot

Guess what, these things, especially the 'weather' point has been offered before, but the reserved thought in some people's mind that the Asians don't go for walks because they essentially want to remain exclusive and unfriendly by not 'integrating' with the native whites has run as an undercurrent in this thread. That's what starts exposing, or shall I say, modifying this thread as a thread which is indeed aiming towards Asian bashing. One of those re-occurrences on SN.

Turbohot

As previously said, not to the Asian Indians that are Hindus or Indian Christians.

LOL this may potentially start the Asian bashing as the understanding that they must hate the Britain's most loved animal known as dog now, although both of you are simply highlighting the possible fact in relation to some Asian communities' preferences for pet keeping.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

It's a bit of an urban myth.

Some and I stress the some muslims don't keep dogs in the same way as Europeans but plenty do, I even know an Iraqi that grew up with dogs in Iraq as his father loved them, my friends in Kashmir keep dogs for hunting, one even has a Springer spaniel that he loves we went duck shooting and it takes to water like a fish, I dropped a couple into the lake and it was off like a shot before the birds hit the water.

And in India I saw many different breeds on the housing complex my wife and son lived in for over a year, though they seem to like German shepherds quite a lot, but the fancy breeds are coming through and it's quite fashionable for middle class Indians to have a dog, there are also plenty of Muslims in that area too that also keep dogs.

Turbohot

Again, good enlightenment from you, Ditch.

We had plenty of GSDs in our family home, and also Pomeranians and other fancy breeds. My families are never without a pet dog over there. They treat their dogs as kings.

I fancy getting a GSD puppy so that he learns to respect my cats. Cats will remain the bosses at mine, end of.

scooby2.5maz

iTrader: (16)

Blimey ditch ! Sound's like you've spent more time over there than I have ! went at the age of 3 for 1 year and never been since ! Depends where you live and what you have experienced I suppose ! Lived in brum for a while and see lots of Asians walking and jogging along ( pitbull in hand ) lol ! Now in worcester and don't see it happening but then not many Asians in my area !

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

You know me, I like to set folks straight.

Some of this comes from the lower classes being afraid of dogs, which is not surprising having seen the marauding packs of 20/30 street dogs in Kashmir and on the beaches in Goa that the Police and military take pot shots at in the middle of the night and actively cull once a year due to rabies.

For the younger generations that are here and afraid of dogs it's just a fear passed down from their parents and relatives, much like a fear of spiders etc, I think for the most part the dog being a dirty animal excuse developed more out of masking fear through lack of contact, which I'm sure a few on here suffer from with regards to non whites.

hodgy0_2

I suppose the only way of knowing for sure would be to have statistics of dog ownership broken down by ethnicity

Also I assumed we where talking about the UK,

I wonder were the UK sits in terms of Dog ownership, my anecdotal evidence suggest a larger problem with stray dogs in other parts of Europe

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

I think I'm not far behind you but spread over about 15yrs my Mrs has spent quite a few years out there though 7/8 and quite a few other places as she was a tour guide for about 18yrs but did Adventure Tourism so lot's of off the beaten track stuff and places where it's almost impossible to go to now, we were apparently "risking it" quite a bit going into Kashmir 2 yrs ago but we never had any problems, that many police a military about and road blocks I doubt there's much opportunity for terrorists thankfully, beautiful part of the world and one of my favourite places, so much to see and do and the food is amazing.

Turbohot

Well, although we've had plenty of dogs back in India, I am a bit frightened of them tbh. One GSD called Miss Julie the 3rd scratched me all over when I was 6. She was simply excited to see me after my school, but I thought she was acting a bit strange for scratching me like that. I remember eating my dinner with my family that night with a long sleeved sweatshirt on, so that no one could see my scratches. So, that is one thing. I think dogs can be unpredictable, so I'm a bit careful with others' dogs.

Other thing is that sister really crowded our house with numerous GSD Julies and then some shaggy Marys. Now she's obsessed with the name 'James' for a dog. Every damn dog she gets is another James for her! This over-indulgence with pets also put me off having one here. She has a ferocious guard dog called James again in her farm house now. He absolutely hates me!

In addition, I don't want to be unfair to the dog by not taking it out for a walk when it's cold, as my hands are prone to go frozen blue with my Raynaud's when I'm out in such temperatures. Best thing is if my son has one (he always wanted one, and has a rescue SBT) at his. My daughter also says that when she moves out, she's going to have a shaggy, pathetic homeless looking dog with salt-and-peppa fur to it. She finds that type really cute.

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Edit to add; talking about both really.

As you can appreciate India is a massive country and reporting of such matters wouldn't scratch the surface of the reality, some of the places I went to whilst doing reckies for new tours the men were still hunting with bow and arrow dressed like Tarzan, having a kilo of salt meant you were the big man in the village, they would still periodically go raiding one anothers villages for women and food, we had to make sure we arrived in a particular time window because once they start drinking the hooch they make from some tree sap they become dangerous and un-predictable in the afternoon.

I could go on but no doubt I'll be accused of telling tall tales again.

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

I can see why you (and others) may see an Asian bashing element to this thread, but I think that is a small part of it, and others are perhaps just genuinely curious based on their personal observations. Only through the accounts of either Asians themselves, or people a bit more well travelled, may people be enlightened to more likely explanations. There may be some that will not be swayed and stick to their own views, but such is life.

scooby2.5maz

iTrader: (16)

Wow , sounds Awsome ! I get family from my dad's side regularly saying " you have to go over !it's beautiful ( kashmir ) but always seem to have something else booked ! I imagine it is still safe to go and wonder off ? I have lots of family over in kashmir and dad ( bless him ) passed away 18 months ago left me and brother a holiday home in kashmir. I do still think of paying it a visit one day but wonder if my wife ( beccy ) will get kidnapped or if I end up getting offered a goat and mangos for a trade ! Ha

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

My wife is white with strawberry blond hair, used to be ginger but it's faded over the years, often wondered how many goats I'd get for her It's lovely up there and I never once felt threatened travelling all over the place, so many places I need the wife to remind me of the names, went to what is supposed to be the highest golf course in the world and took a cable car up to the top, wondered around around the grounds of an old church in the same place and the ruins of an old holiday resort that burned down many years ago, had a boat trip out on the lakes at Srinagar dealing with the local sharks trying to sell you stuff is about as bad as it gets.

You should go and I'm sure the mrs would love it.maybe a few nights in Deli and take a rickshaw ride through the souk, that's an experience in it's self, just don't eat hotel food, or you'll get to know what Deli belly is.

Turbohot

Lisa, I am well aware of that. I have no problem with genuine curiosity. If I did, I wouldn't have been answering genuine curiosities here as clearly, and as politely as possible, to the genuinely curious ones.

Yet right from the very beginning it's easy to differentiate between the real curious ones and the prejudiced ones. Curious ones do not pass judgements. Instead they try to understand. That 'small part' that you mention is the undercurrent that I was talking about. I was also identifying the negative potential of this well-intentioned thread, that can be navigated towards 'more than small part' Asian bashing, as per SN track record of the past.

If that doesn't happen, then jolly good.

hodgy0_2

Yes, I have surfed in the waves off the beach in Kovalam, and stayed in a houseboat on Lake Dal (via most of the rest of India)

I knew it quite well - have not been back for while though

scooby2.5maz

iTrader: (16)

Haha ! Snap ! My mrs says she is strawberry blond now ! He hee the India thing was on our list last year so much we booked a tour including kerala house boat ! Waited forever for visa application process to happen only to end up at the embassy to be told you need to fill out another form about you dad ! Oh and by the way Mr " we know you go in 20 days but the form takes 40 to process . Bit confused as he wasn't travelling but was told for security purposes they needed to vet him ! Ha ! He was 74 at the time and registered disabled ! He was born in India in 1935 which then became kashmir divide ! Bankers at the embassy hadn't even proceeded my wife's visa as they said her ties are with me who's in turn are with my disabled dad ! She is a strawberry blonde white school teacher . . Had to ask for my passports back and cancel our dream trip ! Lost 70 percent of the costs ! Gutted ! Sent emails since Complaining about our treatment and guess what ? Never had a reply .

So been to sri lanka , Maldives , dubai , mauritius ( still here now ) , Thailand , kuala lumper, borneo but was turned away for India ! Ha .

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Similarities between your Mrs and mine are quite strange, she was a teacher but has moved up now into Higher Education management, you sure we're not sharing the same woman

Also had a few problems with visa's but she's got contacts that sorted it out for us, still had a last minute dash to Birmingham to collect our passports on the way to Gatwick though, she and my son had to leave the country for a few days and re- enter because there's a 180 days rule even with work visas, some people that were from America and running a business out there overstayed, the husband forgot to renew, caused them loads of problems and ended up having to leave in a hurry, grab a bag and get out now or risk jail type of thing, not sure if they can even go back, they can be very officious about such matters.

It's best to get a specialist company to take care of it as like you experienced they can be a pita to sort, mine doesn't permit re- entry within 60 days of exit, so if there was an emergency I wouldn't have been able to go back in before that. but it's better than no visa.