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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
The sad fact that there's no opposition, and no strong leader. The UK is currently listless, and lucky because it's not in the Eurozone, so zero hour contracting its way to 'riches'.

DC will sell your children to work down the mines. The other one will make them work so he can tax them to pay for benefits for his new voters.
Not sure that there is actually that much difference between them tbh.

95% of their manifestos will be the same, worded differently, but the same in practice.

We don't have (or really need) ideological politics these days.

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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:02 PM
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You've agreed with what I said ��.

At least Cons punch you in the face and tell you you're a ****. Labour slap you and then pick your pocket.
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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
The fact we have such a broad mix of parties batting for votes, with the big two on less than majority wining support speaks volumes. I can't recall a weaker top political head class in my, or my parents' lifetime.

Mr Farage will hit the jackpot I think.
UKIP are currently on around 10-14%, that will equate to somewhere between 0-5 seats. Not much of a jackpot.
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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
UKIP are currently on around 10-14%, that will equate to somewhere between 0-5 seats. Not much of a jackpot.
It's a start, and better than 0 seats that any new party starts from. I bet they have a say in the next coalition.

And 14% is massive. Lib Dems would sell their gran for that. And mine.

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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:13 PM
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The funny thing is most people posting in this thread (the OP aside) have already decided who they are voting for and who it is is clearly evident by their posts here.

Cameron is probably the second worst PM this country has ever had, he has been proved to be a liar and a cheat and is certainly self serving so why anyone would be surprised at his playing politics over the debates bewilders me.

As the OP said he is looking very bad from where the public are sitting, the public being anyone with a neutral stance on party politics rather than died in the wool Labourites and Tories like those posting here!
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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:15 PM
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Cameron is a spineless chicken and the weakest prime minster for years
Milliband isnt a good leader but probably the best in his bunch at the moment
I'm sire he will be kicked out when labour loose
Clegg quite a good speaker but party is useless

Nigel is the best speaker by far and will have massive gains with ukip this election

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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
The funny thing is most people posting in this thread (the OP aside) have already decided who they are voting for and who it is is clearly evident by their posts here.

Cameron is probably the second worst PM this country has ever had, he has been proved to be a liar and a cheat and is certainly self serving so why anyone would be surprised at his playing politics over the debates bewilders me.

As the OP said he is looking very bad from where the public are sitting, the public being anyone with a neutral stance on party politics rather than died in the wool Labourites and Tories like those posting here!
If you mean me when you say 'most have made their minds up', then you're very wrong.

I toyed with voting Green until they decided to start having incoherent policies on everything

I broadly agree with most of the sentiment on here. It's a pretty poor choice all round.

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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:20 PM
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I'm still undecided really. Would rather not abstain though.
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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lordharding
Cameron is a spineless chicken and the weakest prime minster for years
Milliband isnt a good leader but probably the best in his bunch at the moment
I'm sire he will be kicked out when labour loose
Clegg quite a good speaker but party is useless

Nick is the best speaker by far and will have massive gains with ukip this election
'Nick' LOL
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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
If you mean me when you say 'most have made their minds up', then you're very wrong.

I toyed with voting Green until they decided to start having incoherent policies on everything

I broadly agree with most of the sentiment in here. It's a pretty poor choice all round.
You're obviously voting for Cameron so give it a rest Martin!
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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
It's a start, and better than 0 seats that any new party starts from. I bet they have a say in the next coalition.

And 14% is massive. Lib Dems would sell their gran for that. And mine.
The problem is that 14% for the Lib Dems, translates into around 30 seats.
The wonders of our electoral system
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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
You're obviously voting for Cameron so give it a rest Martin!
Do I not get a choice then?

I've voted Tory once in my life BTW.
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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by lordharding
Cameron is a spineless chicken and the weakest prime minster for years
Milliband isnt a good leader but probably the best in his bunch at the moment
I'm sire he will be kicked out when labour loose
Clegg quite a good speaker but party is useless

Nick is the best speaker by far and will have massive gains with ukip this election
Nick is finished. The best speaker and equal first liar.
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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
The problem is that 14% for the Lib Dems, translates into around 30 seats.
The wonders of our electoral system
I know. You said 0 - 5 seats initially. 30 seats would put them in a position of strength, particularly in a weak coalition leadership.
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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
I know. You said 0 - 5 seats initially. 30 seats would put them in a position of strength, particularly in a weak coalition leadership.
I said UKIP would get 0-5 seats with 10-14% of the vote
They would need around 25% to get 30 seats.

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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:36 PM
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Does anyone remember Mervyn King's ( previous governor of the BOE) quote before the last election?

He said something like 'so deep would be the cuts the next governments would have to make, they be out of office for a generation'.

I guess he should of added 'unless the opposition choose Ed Milliband as their leader.

Found the quote

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/8362218/Mervyn-King-in-quotes-bank-governors-choicest-words.html

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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Does anyone remember Mervyn King's ( previous governor of the BOE) quote before the last election?

He said something like 'so deep would be the cuts the next governments would have to make, they be out of office for a generation'.

I guess he should of added 'unless the opposition choose Ed Milliband as their leader.
Indeed. This election is almost Hobson's choice in terms of the big two.
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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
Indeed. This election is almost Hobson's choice in terms of the big two.
Not just the 2 big 2. Any of them.
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Old Mar 7, 2015 | 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Not just the 2 big 2. Any of them.
UKIP and SNP wouldn't agree.

Tory coalition default. Our kids are ****ed unless we give them a job or our house.
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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
UKIP and SNP wouldn't agree.

Tory coalition default. Our kids are ****ed unless we give them a job or our house.
UKIP have no answers, just protest. They would be an unmitigated disaster for this country.
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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
UKIP have no answers, just protest. They would be an unmitigated disaster for this country.
I agree. But, **** me, what a protest.
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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 01:02 AM
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If I were PM...I think I'd refuse to debate with Milliband too.

Quite simply because I wouldn't be able to resist the urge to hit him when he starts getting full of himself....knowing this would look bad on camera, I'd refuse.

One important thing about this man....this is a man that clambered over his own brother to get into power, stabbing him in the back long the way. If this is what he does to his own family, imagine what he'll do to us if he came to power! I'm not saying most politicians are much better, but only a few are worse.

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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 01:34 AM
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I see the end of UK politics as we know it, Shambles springs to mind I see labour winning the election narrow margin and SNP having a major say and not wanting to work with labour they may side with conservative's initially (to get what they want for Scotland) and labour would not be able to enforce any policies which would be not a bad thing.

I think the majority of the 59 Scottish seats will go to SNP and what a can of worms that will open up. Scotland will get its powers that the current government lied and said they would get, but will have a massive bargaining chip come May time will tell.
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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 06:30 AM
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Milliband does look like a Wallace and Gromit character though....

Waste of time the debates...
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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
If I were PM...I think I'd refuse to debate with Milliband too.

Quite simply because I wouldn't be able to resist the urge to hit him when he starts getting full of himself....knowing this would look bad on camera, I'd refuse.
Lol that would be simply childish and irrational thing to do, for a mature and sensible PM.

One important thing about this man....this is a man that clambered over his own brother to get into power, stabbing him in the back long the way. If this is what he does to his own family, imagine what he'll do to us if he came to power! I'm not saying most politicians are much better, but only a few are worse.
This is the man whose brother didn't make as big issue of this clambering over. He instead got to go to America on a high flying job, and lead his life peacefully away from this political, power chasing bickering of a career- at least for the time being, which must have been good for his health. So, I don't know why people have an issue with what Ed did to David.

In all seriousness, not that David Cameron can't endure Milliband, as he has to endure him on daily basis in the House of Amateurs. Personal opinions for character assassinations and biases are put aside e.g. who has done what to their family (well, unless someone physically killed them, not just politically) when it comes to debating important issues e.g. country's welfare with own performance review and future plans on public stage. Refusal to debating is a clear cut cop out. Anyone can see that.

What will backstabber Ed do to us? Well, which politician doesn't let public down, you tell me. The ones with no family backstabbing record also backstab public for their own self-serving agenda. Power has a power to corrupt, may it be a predisposed family backstabber or a loyal brother of the past.

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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 09:44 AM
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Milliband does look like a Wallace and Gromit character though....
Sure. Ed is deprived of good looks and blinding charisma. Looks and charisma can often be deceptive, yet I do not have any evidence of such to support Ed's case.

Look at Cameron. He looks as if he has popped out of a frying pan and landed on the floor on his two feet! Oily as fish n' chips. He does have a charisma, though. Proper ear basher. I bet his speeches have helped the pharmaceutical industry to experience a notable spike in the sales of Anadin. I'm sure they'll back him up with their underground sponsoring.

Waste of time the debates...
I get that, yet if these debates didn't take place, political awareness would be even less than what it is, in public. I think such debates should take place, even if they are mostly a waste of time. Product and the process to produce are two different things. Process tells something about the product, if not all. Such debates are part of the process to get to the throne, and that's why they're a tad useful.

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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 09:49 AM
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Fact" career politicians make the worst politicians" They haven't got a clue about the working people of this country,especially if your white and male.
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Originally Posted by FlatoutDave
especially if your white and male.
Wow, someone said it out loud. Careful, the left won't like what they can't see out of their bay window.

The whole campaign will have such a US style look to it, standing with placards behind each candidate. I'm very tempted to abstain. I see nobody that represents me, and even if I liked what I heard I very much doubt anyone would actually stick to what they've promised. The person I trust the most is Farage, and thats a worrying state of affairs.

The debate will only descend into a stage full of squabbling kids, and I think only Farage will the sense to sit back and let the others degrade themselves even further.
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Nothing wrong with lafarge, but he's only the one policy
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Old Mar 8, 2015 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FlatoutDave
especially if your white and male.
Bigotry and illiteracy seem to make good bedfellows, one can only wonder why
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