London is overcrowded in every sense, the attitudes of everyone is dog eat dog. Hopefully when these segregated cycle highways are completed confrontation will be minimal

 

Alcazar said: And WRXrowdy said: Now if you look at what I said, and what YOU said, you'll see it's pretty much the same thing.

But I also said that, given the relative numbers of cars, vans, lorries, bikers and cycles on our roads, a greater percentage of those present will be rude, arrogant and aggressive in the biker/cyclist category, despite wanting and needing car, van and lorry drivers to drive carefully round them.

What's wrong with that?
Can you dispute it?

In any given day, I can guarantee I'll have a biker and a cyclist gesture at me when it is them in the wrong.

I DON'T get that every day from car/van/lorry drivers.

Nor do car/van/lorry drivers ride on pavements, ignore red lights and filter up the inside/outside of other vehicles.

 

No, no, no no!!!! London is an idyllic paradise, read the London thread for 'proof' Everyone is lovely and laid back, no trouble at all .... not like those Manchester types

 

You must have a different Highway Code to me then.

Now if you live on a quiet new development then reversing into your driveway is the preferred option, but then again when you leave there will likely be nobody to worry about whichever direction you are travelling.
If however your driveway is on a road with regular traffic, then reversing into your driveway is only possible when no following traffic is behind. See how popular you become when you stop (hazards on or not) just after your driveway expecting those following to accomodate you.

 

Get one of these.

 

That'd work but London is probably the only place where people who would benefit from it could justify the cost of buying it.

 

My driving instructor gave me the best advise.He said that everyone else on the road was a homicidal maniac trying to kill you & that road signs & white lines don't have force fields attached.

It's worked for me so far bearing in mind most of my working life was spent driving in London & around the UK every day.I haven't been hit or hit another road user.

 

Your argument fails. It's safer to reverse into your own drive than reverse out onto a busy road. The traffic behind has to wait patiently for you to do the reverse into your drive, less hassle than trying to reverse into a busy street.

Again no one is is prepared to accommodate anybody else, intolerance!

 

I think someone needs to go and read the Highway Code, or speak to a bike copper, it is perfectly legal to filter in traffic on a motorcycle. Or, are you one of those people that get envy when a bike filters passed and you are stuck in traffic?

Commercial vehicles, yep, used to drive them for twenty years, well aware of blind spots on them, but, completely irrelevant to the situation that I was talking about. Filtering on the outside of traffic, a car just decided to turn right without checking their mirror or signalling, you do check your mirror when you turn don't you?

I agree that when filtering it is the bikers responsibility to make sure it is safe, but it is also car drivers responsibility to make sure any manoeuvres they carry out are safe too, or do you disagree?

Edit: you are right about bikers filtering on the inside of lorries etc at junctions though, asking for trouble imo

 

Can I dispute it, probably not, you do see bikers gesture other road users if they feel that they have been endangered. Many bikers are also car drivers, whether they gesture less in a car could be related to the fact that they don't feel that they have been put in as much danger in the relative safety of being in a car, maybe it is because any gesture a biker makes will be a whole lot more visible than it would be if they made the same gesture in a car.

Personally, I don't really gesture when on the bike, maybe shake my head a little if I feel someone has done something wrong. Probably more articulate when I'm driving a car if I'm honest.

 

My argument fails? Do you deal in reality or only theory?

This is what will happen in reality - the car wishing to reverse into the driveway will slow down and stop a few metres past the entrance, either indicating left or with hazards on. The car behind will stop one metre from the rear of the first car wanting to reverse and then the next car behind will do the same. Game over.
The only way your Utopian dream becomes a reality is if the car wanting to reverse manages to stop quick enough to bang it in reverse and hope the following vehicle twigs when they see the reversing light, rather than crash into the back of them.
It'd be even more impractical if the driveway was on the opposite side of the road.

 

I feel sorry for where you live. Every driver must be an @rsehole who doesn't/can't read a maneuver when it's unfolding before their very eyes. I don't have issues reversing into parking bays or drives. Again you are highlighting intolerance of basic simple driving methods.

 

As it goes I live on a farm with loads of room, but it's not always that easy for everyone. The point I'm making is that although it is preferable to pull onto the road forwards it's not always possible. I spend a lot of time driving in cities and it is very common when stationary indicating to turn left, either to drive in forwards or reverse in backwards, to have pedestrians and pushbikes continue to pass on the inside preventing the manoeuvre.
Ultimately some people are clueless whatever method of transport they happen to be using. In my experience road users who have experience on multiple platforms (e.g. drives a car, rides a motorcycle and rides a pushbike) or those who have had additional training (ROSPA, IAM etc) are leagues ahead of all the rest.

 

Or you do what I do, stop just before my driveway, car behind stops, I put hazards on and pull forwards and across the road, then reverse into my drive.

 

The Highway Code is not "the law", and "should" is not "must" - but then a cyclist wouldn't know the difference

Also, could your elaborate on the C&U legislation regarding reversing onto a road (any road?)?

mb

 

On the road where my vehicle entrance is, for 90% of the day it would be relatively easy to reverse in.

For an hour or so morning and evening, when it's used as a school rat run, impossible.

And that's a relatively quiet estate road.

God only knows how folk who live on heavily used roads would cope.

 

That is reassuring but how many cyclist are as responsible as you. Hats off!

 

Thank you I have learned something from this post.

 

I am
Insured through Britsh Cycling for £30 a year, comes with £1m third party cover so if I hit your car you're covered
Most of the lads I cycle with have it too so it annoys me that the phrase 'Most' cyclists are irresponsible etc etc....

 

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/106/made

When used in the context of could you have entered the road forward or is reverse is your only option.

Highway code is good practice methods to minimise accident and increase your an others road users safety

 

Ilegal to reverse out of your driveway. I spent 20yrs reversing out of a driveway onto a busy main road and the last 9yrs doing it at my new place but no traffic there except people that live on the street.

 

...so just to confirm, reversing onto a road is not illegal and "Construction and use legislation" does not state that "you should not reverse on a road", unlike what you said in post 22 and 24?

mb

 

I'm still laughing about that now. Must be millions of motorists breaking the law every day.