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Old Feb 7, 2015 | 08:02 AM
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We ****ed up in iraq and Afghanistan
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Old Feb 7, 2015 | 10:28 AM
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Its like Vietnam

Our so called super army and every one else's cant defeat a bunch of non soldiers

Great.glad I pay my taxes
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Old Feb 7, 2015 | 10:49 AM
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If these guys had full belief in their cause, you have to wonder why they have to wear balaclavas/ headscarves
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Old Feb 7, 2015 | 11:06 AM
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If these guys had full belief in their cause, you have to wonder why they have to wear balaclavas/ headscarves
Its because they are from Bradford and Birmingham
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Old Feb 7, 2015 | 11:16 AM
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Haha
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Old Feb 7, 2015 | 01:39 PM
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-10030643.html



Get in touch with the boys / pump up the pleading for some kind of clemency with help of the press






This ones a goner now then , for sure
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Old Feb 7, 2015 | 03:07 PM
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Living in a hope against hope must be so traumatic for the family.


On a different note, UN Watchdog reports that the ISIS are recruiting mentally challenged vulnerable children as young as 7 and 8 to become suicide bombers and killers:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-10024847.html


The horrors of the evil continues.
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Old Feb 7, 2015 | 03:09 PM
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Posed that few days ago


Don't know how on earth they can justify this
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Old Feb 7, 2015 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
Posed that few days ago
Oh, ok. Sorry, I just found it on line.


Don't know how on earth they can justify this
I do not justify it, but I can see what makes ISIS target the vulnerable. To be honest, kids or adults, they have to be either warped or mentally challenged vulnerables; in order to willingly partake in something like that. Physically threatened and mentally tortured if unwillingly forced to partake.
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Old Feb 7, 2015 | 03:16 PM
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The only way they can be defeated is from within ...
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Old Feb 7, 2015 | 03:36 PM
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Like all good religious people , if you promise them direct path to heaven , if their situation is appalling enough here

They'll do anything

This is the value of keeping the faith
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Old Feb 7, 2015 | 03:39 PM
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( and screwing up sizable areas of the planet)
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Old Feb 12, 2015 | 10:20 PM
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Incredibly difficult, isn't it? Love is the answer, but I'm unsure how that plays out in practical terms. One hopes and prays that the hearts of the jihadis will be softened and that they'll turn away from evil. We need a miracle.
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Many Christian anarchists practice the principles of nonviolence, nonresistance and turning the other cheek. To illustrate how nonresistance works in practice, Alexandre Christoyannopoulos offers the following Christian anarchist response to terrorism:

The path shown by Jesus is a difficult one that can only be trod by true martyrs. A "martyr," etymologically, is he who makes himself a witness to his faith. And it is the ultimate testimony to one’s faith to be ready to put it to practice even when one’s very life is threatened. But the life to be sacrificed, it should be noted, is not the enemy’s life, but the martyr’s own life — killing others is not a testimony of love, but of anger, fear, or hatred. For Tolstoy, therefore, a true martyr to Jesus’ message would neither punish nor resist (or at least not use violence to resist), but would strive to act from love, however hard, whatever the likelihood of being crucified. He would patiently learn to forgive and turn the other cheek, even at the risk of death. Such would be the only way to eventually win the hearts and minds of the other camp and open up the possibilities for reconciliation in the "war on terror."
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Old Feb 14, 2015 | 09:04 AM
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I've been reading a book about life in medieval England. In those days, the majority of people were under 40, and most of the fighting men, right up to the king, were spotty youths, fuelled by testosterone and with no older and wiser men to moderate their behaviour. Usually, wars were based on either the quest for land, or religion, or both.

That seems to be the case with ISIS. You have a load of discontented youths, with a perverted version of Islam fed to them by charismatic (and probably mentally ill) 'preachers' as their justification, going on uncontrolled bouts of extreme violence.

The ISIS method of warfare is almost impossible to fight against as you don't have an identifiable army to attack, or cities to bomb, as was the case in most of the 20th Century's wars. Consequently, they've been very successful so far.

However, once the nutters have achieved their 'heaven on earth', they'll find there are more fundamental problems to deal with. They've got to eat, provide housing and infrastructure, and they'll need to trade with other countries for whatever natural resources they lack. And I think that might prove their downfall, because who will trade with them?

They can't keep attacking more and more countries to get what they need because they'll start to come up against proper armies with virtually unlimited resources. I can't imagine Mr Putin thinking about surrendering to them, for example.

I've no idea what the answer to this is, but if ISIS think they will end up with what they want long term, they need to think a bit harder.
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Old Feb 14, 2015 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Osimabu
That seems to be the case with ISIS. You have a load of discontented youths, with a perverted version of Islam fed to them by charismatic (and probably mentally ill) 'preachers' as their justification, going on uncontrolled bouts of extreme violence.
Why's that?
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Old Feb 14, 2015 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Osimabu
I've been reading a book about life in medieval England. In those days, the majority of people were under 40, and most of the fighting men, right up to the king, were spotty youths, fuelled by testosterone and with no older and wiser men to moderate their behaviour. Usually, wars were based on either the quest for land, or religion, or both.

That seems to be the case with ISIS. You have a load of discontented youths, with a perverted version of Islam fed to them by charismatic (and probably mentally ill) 'preachers' as their justification, going on uncontrolled bouts of extreme violence.

The ISIS method of warfare is almost impossible to fight against as you don't have an identifiable army to attack, or cities to bomb, as was the case in most of the 20th Century's wars. Consequently, they've been very successful so far.

However, once the nutters have achieved their 'heaven on earth', they'll find there are more fundamental problems to deal with. They've got to eat, provide housing and infrastructure, and they'll need to trade with other countries for whatever natural resources they lack. And I think that might prove their downfall, because who will trade with them?

They can't keep attacking more and more countries to get what they need because they'll start to come up against proper armies with virtually unlimited resources. I can't imagine Mr Putin thinking about surrendering to them, for example.

I've no idea what the answer to this is, but if ISIS think they will end up with what they want long term, they need to think a bit harder.
In what way is it perverted, please?
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Old Feb 14, 2015 | 09:54 AM
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Neil - I've yet to come across a religious zealot who, if they were thinking rationally, would behave in the way that they do. I'm open to being proved wrong though.

JT - I doubt that Islam tells its followers to do what ISIS do, so I assume someone is perverting the religion from its original aims. If I'm wrong about that, I apologise.
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Old Feb 14, 2015 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Osimabu
JT - I doubt that Islam tells its followers to do what ISIS do, so I assume someone is perverting the religion from its original aims. If I'm wrong about that, I apologise.
No need to apologise, fella, it's just a chat. What do you assume Mohammad's original aims were?
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Old Feb 14, 2015 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Osimabu
Neil - I've yet to come across a religious zealot who, if they were thinking rationally, would behave in the way that they do. I'm open to being proved wrong though.
Just because they aren't thinking rationally, doesn't make them mentally ill.
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Same as the Crusaders
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Old Feb 14, 2015 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
No need to apologise, fella, it's just a chat. What do you assume Mohammad's original aims were?
To spread 'The Word of God' and consolidate the warring tribes of the Arabian peninsula?

If the worlds entire Muslim population subscribed to the twisted ideologies of ISIS/Taliban/Al-Qaeda et al, there would be a much bigger s**t storm going on, would there not?
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Old Feb 14, 2015 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by reef67
To spread 'The Word of God' and consolidate the warring tribes of the Arabian peninsula?

If the worlds entire Muslim population subscribed to the twisted ideologies of ISIS/Taliban/Al-Qaeda et al, thuere would be a much bigger s**t storm going on, would there not?
Don't feed him.

He is one of them mentally challenged types.
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Old Feb 14, 2015 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by reef67
To spread 'The Word of God' and consolidate the warring tribes of the Arabian peninsula?

If the worlds entire Muslim population subscribed to the twisted ideologies of ISIS/Taliban/Al-Qaeda et al, there would be a much bigger s**t storm going on, would there not?
And how was this achieved in the Medina period? What sort of example did Mohammad set?
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Old Feb 14, 2015 | 11:44 AM
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And how was this achieved in the Medina period? What sort of example did Mohammad set?
I don't know, all I do know is that it is sad to see one of the worlds major religions being hijacked and used as an excuse to indiscriminately murder innocent people for the vanity projects of uptight, misguided psychopaths...

...much like the Crusades...or The Inquisition...or Slavery...or The Holocaust etc...all instigated by hate filled bigots with an unreasonable fear and paranoia of 'The Other'.

"What have the Muslims ever done for us?"
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Old Feb 14, 2015 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by reef67
I don't know, all I do know is that it is sad to see one of the worlds major religions being hijacked and used as an excuse to indiscriminately murder innocent people for the vanity projects of uptight, misguided psychopaths...

...much like the Crusades...or The Inquisition...or Slavery...or The Holocaust etc...all instigated by hate filled bigots with an unreasonable fear and paranoia of 'The Other'.

"What have the Muslims ever done for us?"
If you don't know Mohammad's history, how can you confidently assert that the religion's been "hijacked"?
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Old Feb 14, 2015 | 11:57 AM
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By numbers surely, how difficult can it be.
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Old Feb 14, 2015 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
If you don't know Mohammad's history, how can you confidently assert that the religion's been "hijacked"?
I don't know much about Jesus but I'm pretty sure his religion has been hijacked for nefarious activities over the last 2000 years or so.
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Old Feb 14, 2015 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by reef67
I don't know much about Jesus but I'm pretty sure his religion has been hijacked for nefarious activities over the last 2000 years or so.
Correct. Would you say that Jesus and Mohammad were comparable?
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Old Feb 14, 2015 | 01:48 PM
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You mean other than supposedly being the Prophets of a monotheistic God?
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Old Feb 14, 2015 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by reef67
You mean other than supposedly being the Prophets of a monotheistic God?
Well, I don't consider Jesus to be a prophet, but other than that, yes - their character and philosophy and actions.
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