The Pentagon was attacked/damaged on September 11th, allegedly by a plane, we are all in agreement of this, yes? Right....Though insufficient evidence has been presented to prove this "beyond reasonable doubt".
A lot of CCTV footage from the grounds of the pentagon of what happened has been confiscated by the US government and not released.

Not only has the government refused to release footage that would clearly show how the Pentagon was attacked/damaged, it has also seized footage not belonging to the military, security services confiscated video recordings from several private businesses near the Pentagon in the immediate aftermath of the attack. Those tapes, if they still exist, might provide "decisive evidence" about the attack.

Photos released taken after the Pentagon crash do not support the Governments official story that a Boeing 757 airliner, demolished a major portion of the pentagon.

There is no decisive video footage nor any decisive photographic evidence in the public domain showing a jetliner approaching or crashing into the Pentagon.
It really is that simple.

 

So you are ignoring the fact that people saw a bloody great plane fly into the building?

Not to mention that 3 other planes went AWOL that day!

 

Or the photos of the debris inside and outside of the pentagon

Or the recovery of the flight recorders from inside the pentagon

Or the DNA identification of the passengers

To these people, mere facts and evidence is not important - "marvin bush was in charge of security at the WTC" (even though he wasn't), the facts just don't matter,

Peter gets his information and analysis about these things from

Website like this

http://jahtruth.net/,

a man who believes he is the messiah - these people need no evidence, no rational critical thought, no facts, simple blind belief is enough

When you ask for sources and evidence - you simply get told to find out youself

 

No he did not ignore that ,you consistantly mis understand what is being said

 

I will then , I had hoped you would just find it yourself

 

I don't think so, what do you think he is saying? I think he is saying that it was not a plane that hit the Pentagon.

If he accepted a plane had hit the Pentagon, the CCTV, the debris, the hole, the damage, all would be irrelevant. You wouldn't need to ask those questions. The only remaining question would be "who?".

But, he is asking about all the other stuff. Obviously the inference is who as well, but he is mainly hung up on the what, which leads him to the question of who. It's deeply flawed.

He will never be satisfied as he believes it was a missile, fire by the US government. He ignores the evidence presented to him. It's fine to question stuff, that is not the issue. You look at these events and some elements of them seem odd at first sight, so yes, they should be questioned. After all, flying aircraft at 500mph into buildings isn't something anyone had experience of, why would we all go "ah yes, that unfolded quite correctlt". But as each question gets answered, normal people can accept the truth, build up a picture of what has transpired.

But, for conspiracy theorists, the thought of some big lie, cover up, is so inviting it doesn't allow them to accept anything that contradicts what they want to believe. They try and fit the evidence to their belief, instead of looking at the evidence and seeing what it means.

Another one is they will call you close minded, but, ironically, it is themselves who are close minded. highlights it pretty well. It is using supernatural as an example, but the message is still the same.

 

What is being said?

 

yes - a very good video

and we have seen actual evidence of the uncritical closed thinking on this thread, that perfectly demonstrates his view

 

I'm amazed only 35% of you are nutters

 

http://digwithin.net/2012/02/24/kuwam-and-stratesec-directors/

 

OK, so is this it _ from the website

"Stratesec’s board of directors included Marvin Bush, the brother of George W. Bush, and Wirt Dexter Walker III, a distant relative of the Bush brothers"

is this the sole "evidence" you have

Ok, lets set the parameters, so we know what we are discussing

it says "distant relative", how many "distant" relatives does a person have

what are we talking about here - go back far enough and we are all related - so without context the statement is meaningless - you do realise that, so give me the context

how far back are you going gary

also can you confirm you still believe Marvin Bush was head of security at the WTC?

 

I still don't get the scandal here. He left whatever role he had there BEFORE his bro was even President. What is the logic here, someone please explain to me how this fits with the conspiracy?

Was Clinton involved?
Were the Bush's plotting on the hope that GW would win the election?

 

well this is the point too - and we haven't even got onto that bit, the simple logic bit


we know Marvin Bush was not head of security at the WTC - I believe that is handled by the Port Authority,

Anyway - suppose he was for a second, suspend all reality and the known FACTS

if George Bush had wanted to pull off the biggest terrorist event the world had/has ever seen - secretly mind, and avoid all responsibility

who, out of the entire population of America (pop 450 million), would you have thought they would be keen to avoid being linked in any way to security at the WTC - you know to avoid conspiracy theorist linking him/them to it


logically who would you not want working as head of security at the WTC

 

Oh come on, you are not playing fair now. You are using logic and common sense , it has no place here.........

 

Only one problem with that......

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10012794.html

 

 

And?

 

What?

 

I think Maz's post/link is relevant, it is a discussion on 911 after all.

 

I don't deny it's relevant, Peter, I'd just like to know what Maz's point is.

 

If it's relevant then surely that IS the point isn't it?

 

What are your thoughts on the link you've posted? Do you think 9/11 was down to Mosad?

 

Unlikely in my opinion. Although given all the conflicting reports from one side and another, I'm not sure what's fact and what's fiction. The poll above shows nearly as many people don't believe the official story as do.
The official story could well be all fact but the disaster capitalism that followed casts a shadow. Why would a vicar post something like that? What can he gain?

 

I don't know why a vicar would post that. Perhaps he's a young earther, too.

 

Perhaps but it's not a small step from one to the other but a giant leap.

 

My point is that people that have a propensity for conspiracy theories often believe other things like the earth being six thousand years old. Just because he's a vicar doesn't mean he's immune from the trappings and seduction of the absurd.

 

But you could be accused of the same thing for believing in God. Do we dismiss you as a mere crackpot?

 

if the American government can kill there own presidents then i wouldn't put it past them being directly or indirectly involved in 9/11

 

What about Six degrees of separation http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_d..._of_separation we can all be closely linked with one another.